Gay Muslims – (Documentary on Ch4)

Damascus · 05-01-2006, 09:51 AM

everyone on this forum should make their views seen on the channel four forum:
join the debate so they know your out there..have a look at the topic's there discussing.

**linked removed**

channel four seems to have turned the corner on Islam and now its muck-raking time with documentary...i qoute them

"This ground-breaking documentary film explores the lives of gay and lesbian Muslims in the UK. As with many religions, there are those within the Muslim community who feel strongly that homosexuality is incompatible with the Muslim faith.
Gay Muslims looks at how those affected by this prejudice struggle to integrate their religion with their sexuality. For some it means living a secret double life, while for others it means losing the respect and support of their family and community. Many give in to family pressure and get married, others run away from home to set up a life of their own, while many live in fear for their lives. This emotional film offers an insight into the often tortuous, secret lives of gay practising Muslims."

Thats not all they also have this for us: The Root of all Evil -Documentary
"Professor Richard Dawkins, the world-renowned evolutionary biologist, whose atheism has earned him the nickname of 'Darwin’s Rottweiler', takes a personal journey through the world’s three great monotheistic religions: Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Dawkins thinks it is time for science to stop sitting on the fence. In the light of overwhelming scientific evidence that, he believes, shows a supreme being cannot exist, and in a world in which religious conflict and bigotry are increasingly centre stage, Dawkins argues that for the good of humanity, religion needs to be challenged and disproved. Never one to shy away from a debate, Dawkins meets leaders from the Christian, Jewish and Muslim religions to find out how their beliefs fit with modern science's extraordinary knowledge of our world and the wider universe.
In The Root of All Evil Dawkins accuses the religious establishment of preying on people’s desire to believe in a greater being; abusing reason and humanity in the process. Ultimately he asks how they can defend what religion has done, and is doing to us?"

everyone on this forum should make their views seen on the channel four forum:
join the debate so they know your out there..have a look at the topic's there discussing.

**linked removed**

sunilight · 05-01-2006, 12:09 PM

what is channel fours protocol?
I dont think it is to be an islamic channel....

it is actually impossible for them to turn against us.. when they were never for us...

if we want some nice arty-farty channel that show well produced and wide reaching, cross topic programs with a pro - islamic view point.. then we better make one!!!!

anyway....

they are quite within their right to be showing programs about how ever and what ever

if the gay and muslim thing dealt with properly there would be no program to make
if richard dawkins didnt eat soo many baked beans nothing would come out of his mouth

i will look at the other forum in abit.....
i think it will be interesting......

barodate · 05-01-2006, 02:30 PM

oh man they arent actually gonna make this are they? >.<

sunilight · 05-01-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by barodate

oh man they arent actually gonna make this are they? >.<

yeh baro they are...

are you to watch it?
or record it to vhs for prosperity....

PLEASE DONT ANSWER HEHE... LOL

sunilight · 05-01-2006, 02:42 PM

damascus.......
i have removed the links to the chanel four forum
as there doesnt seem to be anything to look at apart form the main c4 culture forum menu
and as we are not allowed to promote other forums your links are not appropriate...

ama sure you understand..

if anyone wants to find out what the ch4 ppl are discussing they can google it..
otherwise... we can talk about it here and they can come to US

FractionMan · 05-01-2006, 03:50 PM

Muslim Gays, thats like saying heterosexual homosexuals, or white blacks, or cholocate hating chocolate eaters...

wajid2000 · 05-01-2006, 04:15 PM

i just bleeding dont get it.......so we have muslim queer's now...........why is it a big deal...........what is it with the media.........always trying to pee muslim's off anyway they can

if these backdoor bandits....try to claim that they can be muslim and queer.......im going to crack

Unaiza · 05-01-2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FractionMan

Muslim Gays, thats like saying heterosexual homosexuals, or white blacks, or cholocate hating chocolate eaters...

I'm sure that there are muslims who think that they can be muslim and gay too.

FractionMan · 05-01-2006, 04:49 PM

just cus they think that doesnt mean that they are that.

Bach2005 · 05-01-2006, 04:54 PM

my cousin was telling me once that gays can't help feeling gay. So, may be they have gay feelings but dont act on their urges, if any. If thats the case, can they be Muslim?

FractionMan · 05-01-2006, 04:56 PM

i guess a murderer doesnt become a murderer till he commits a murder?

Unaiza · 05-01-2006, 06:02 PM

I believe so..... u cant accuse a person of being gay.. unless they act upon it.

Our thoughts are not condemning.

UmmZakariya · 05-01-2006, 07:03 PM

thats true its sodomy that is crime not merely being gay...there are 'gay' muslims who consider their feelings to be tests from God and do not act on them ie.straightway foundation i think they were called they completely supported Sheikh Qaradawi during the witch hunt against him moreover recently some gay Muslims have condemned Islamophobic rhetoric in this gay publication...

Quote:

A gay magazine which described immigrants as "criminals of the worst kind" and Islam as a "barmy doctrine" has been condemned as racist by other gay rights groups. According to the magazine of the Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association (Galha), Islam is growing "like a canker" in the UK through "unrestrained and irresponsible breeding".

Quote:

According to Imaan, a support group for gay and lesbian Muslims, the anti-Islamic views of Galha are just the tip of the iceberg in the gay community. "These comments are completely outrageous," said Imaan's spokeswoman, Rasina X. "In lots of ways the gay community reflects the straight community but Galha has gone beyond what the average straight person thinks. These comments are disgusting. They are worse than what the BNP would publish. It is racist."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gayrights/...676449,00.html

farooqachmad · 05-01-2006, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barodate

oh man they arent actually gonna make this are they? >.<

I don't believe it that they could do it openly like this. When they're little in madrassahs they sleep together or with their seniors unsupervised. So they're gay almost all of em. Once they get into this habit, then it's not possible to come out. But I'm still stunned to hear that they're doing it openly now. I guess uk is a too democratic state.

hussein · 05-01-2006, 10:06 PM

salaam

if u ask a paedophile looking at child porn on the internet they wuill say its not their fault, its in theuir head and they cant control it. similairly many gays say they are born with it and so cant help but be gay. however ther may be the case that while people have a genetic predisposition to be gay it needs their actual voluntary action to be a practicsing gay.

against this i remember in psychology using twin studies(therefore they have 100% same genes) that one twin was gay and the other was not meaning that genes were not to blame but perhaps life experience.

i agree with the person who said the thing about the murderer and the other person about thoughts not being condemning.

for all u depressed about the thoughts of muslim gays, they have their own website and groups http://www.imaan.org.uk/

Suhail · 05-01-2006, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farooqachmad

I don't believe it that they could do it openly like this. When they're little in madrassahs they sleep together or with their seniors unsupervised. So they're gay almost all of em. Once they get into this habit, then it's not possible to come out. But I'm still stunned to hear that they're doing it openly now. I guess uk is a too democratic state.

I AM SPEECHLESS THAT YOU JUSR SAID THAT....

AT FIRST I REALLY WANTED TO SHOUT /SCREEM/SWEAR AT YOU WHEN YOU SAID THAT

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH MOSQUES AND ISLAMIC TEACHERS......YOU MAY HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH SUCH FILTHY STUFF IN THE PAST WHEN YOU WERE AT MADRASSA (or are you just mAking it up to annoy us) BUT THERE IS NO NEED FOR YOU TO DISRESPECT EVERY ULEMA IN THE WORLD AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY...YOU HAVE NO RIGHT AND NO AUTHORITY TO GIVE SUCH ACCUSATIONS.

YOU KNOW WHAT...YOU SERIOSULY NEED TO GROW UP AND GAIN SOME PERSPECTIVE - NOT EVERYONE FALLS INTO THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU HAVE FOR THEM

abdulmojid · 05-01-2006, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farooqachmad

I don't believe it that they could do it openly like this. When they're little in madrassahs they sleep together or with their seniors unsupervised. So they're gay almost all of em. Once they get into this habit, then it's not possible to come out. But I'm still stunned to hear that they're doing it openly now. I guess uk is a too democratic state.

Not all of them.

I used to go to a Madrashah here in the UK, there was 2 guys who used to get up to illicit stuff, but I dont want to think about it!

Shazan · 05-01-2006, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suhail

YOU KNOW WHAT...YOU SERIOSULY NEED TO GROW UP AND GAIN SOME PERSPECTIVE - NOT EVERYONE FALLS INTO THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU HAVE FOR THEM

Well said brother Suhail- I haven’t responded to his comments in other threads and for our sanity I suggest everyone does the same.

Smiley · 06-01-2006, 09:48 AM

How do people think that things which are forbidden in Islam are allowed to them because 'times have changed' and what not.. grr.. which means that they do not believe that Islam and the Quran is not a comprehensive way of life as it is backwards or outdated..? tsk

Salaam · 06-01-2006, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiley

How do people think that things which are forbidden in Islam are allowed to them because 'times have changed' and what not.. grr.. which means that they do not believe that Islam and the Quran is not a comprehensive way of life as it is backwards or outdated..? tsk

It's like that Irshad manji person who went around all the tv stations claiming that she didn't believe the Quran was divine, etc - yet she was a perfectly good muslim nonetheless

05-01-2006, 09:51 AM	#1
Damascus Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 1,649 Rep Power: 0	Gay Muslims – Documentary on C4 everyone on this forum should make their views seen on the channel four forum: join the debate so they know your out there..have a look at the topic's there discussing. linked removed channel four seems to have turned the corner on Islam and now its muck-raking time with documentary...i qoute them "This ground-breaking documentary film explores the lives of gay and lesbian Muslims in the UK. As with many religions, there are those within the Muslim community who feel strongly that homosexuality is incompatible with the Muslim faith. Gay Muslims looks at how those affected by this prejudice struggle to integrate their religion with their sexuality. For some it means living a secret double life, while for others it means losing the respect and support of their family and community. Many give in to family pressure and get married, others run away from home to set up a life of their own, while many live in fear for their lives. This emotional film offers an insight into the often tortuous, secret lives of gay practising Muslims." Thats not all they also have this for us: The Root of all Evil -Documentary "Professor Richard Dawkins, the world-renowned evolutionary biologist, whose atheism has earned him the nickname of 'Darwin’s Rottweiler', takes a personal journey through the world’s three great monotheistic religions: Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Dawkins thinks it is time for science to stop sitting on the fence. In the light of overwhelming scientific evidence that, he believes, shows a supreme being cannot exist, and in a world in which religious conflict and bigotry are increasingly centre stage, Dawkins argues that for the good of humanity, religion needs to be challenged and disproved. Never one to shy away from a debate, Dawkins meets leaders from the Christian, Jewish and Muslim religions to find out how their beliefs fit with modern science's extraordinary knowledge of our world and the wider universe. In The Root of All Evil Dawkins accuses the religious establishment of preying on people’s desire to believe in a greater being; abusing reason and humanity in the process. Ultimately he asks how they can defend what religion has done, and is doing to us?" everyone on this forum should make their views seen on the channel four forum: join the debate so they know your out there..have a look at the topic's there discussing. linked removed Last edited by sunilight; 05-01-2006 at 02:44 PM. Reason: see my post about 5 posts below

05-01-2006, 12:09 PM	#2
sunilight Veteran Campaigner Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,072 Rep Power: 18	what is channel fours protocol? I dont think it is to be an islamic channel.... it is actually impossible for them to turn against us.. when they were never for us... if we want some nice arty-farty channel that show well produced and wide reaching, cross topic programs with a pro - islamic view point.. then we better make one!!!! anyway.... they are quite within their right to be showing programs about how ever and what ever if the gay and muslim thing dealt with properly there would be no program to make if richard dawkins didnt eat soo many baked beans nothing would come out of his mouth i will look at the other forum in abit..... i think it will be interesting...... __________________ - - - - Still here .... marching beside you

05-01-2006, 02:42 PM	#5
sunilight Veteran Campaigner Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,072 Rep Power: 18	damascus....... i have removed the links to the chanel four forum as there doesnt seem to be anything to look at apart form the main c4 culture forum menu and as we are not allowed to promote other forums your links are not appropriate... ama sure you understand.. if anyone wants to find out what the ch4 ppl are discussing they can google it.. otherwise... we can talk about it here and they can come to US __________________ - - - - Still here .... marching beside you

05-01-2006, 03:50 PM	#6
FractionMan Veteran Campaigner Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,305 Rep Power: 10	Muslim Gays, thats like saying heterosexual homosexuals, or white blacks, or cholocate hating chocolate eaters... __________________ A man is like a fraction whose numerator is what he is and whose denominator is what he thinks of himself. The larger the denominator the smaller the fraction.

05-01-2006, 04:15 PM	#7
wajid2000 Senior Activist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: birmingham Posts: 973 Rep Power: 6	i just bleeding dont get it.......so we have muslim queer's now...........why is it a big deal...........what is it with the media.........always trying to pee muslim's off anyway they can if these backdoor bandits....try to claim that they can be muslim and queer.......im going to crack __________________ I would like to thank the Americans for the "war on terror" for funding the IRA for 30 years.......they really are true friends.

05-01-2006, 02:30 PM	#3
barodate Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,542 Rep Power: 0	oh man they arent actually gonna make this are they? >.<

05-01-2006, 04:49 PM	#9
FractionMan Veteran Campaigner Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,305 Rep Power: 10	just cus they think that doesnt mean that they are that. __________________ A man is like a fraction whose numerator is what he is and whose denominator is what he thinks of himself. The larger the denominator the smaller the fraction.

05-01-2006, 04:54 PM	#10
Bach2005 Veteran Campaigner Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London Posts: 2,906 Rep Power: 56	my cousin was telling me once that gays can't help feeling gay. So, may be they have gay feelings but dont act on their urges, if any. If thats the case, can they be Muslim?

05-01-2006, 04:56 PM	#11
FractionMan Veteran Campaigner Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,305 Rep Power: 10	i guess a murderer doesnt become a murderer till he commits a murder? __________________ A man is like a fraction whose numerator is what he is and whose denominator is what he thinks of himself. The larger the denominator the smaller the fraction.

05-01-2006, 06:02 PM	#12
Unaiza CDA's No.1 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in isolation Posts: 10,092 Rep Power: 335	I believe so..... u cant accuse a person of being gay.. unless they act upon it. Our thoughts are not condemning.

05-01-2006, 10:06 PM	#15
hussein Senior Activist Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: in england Posts: 761 Rep Power: 9	salaam if u ask a paedophile looking at child porn on the internet they wuill say its not their fault, its in theuir head and they cant control it. similairly many gays say they are born with it and so cant help but be gay. however ther may be the case that while people have a genetic predisposition to be gay it needs their actual voluntary action to be a practicsing gay. against this i remember in psychology using twin studies(therefore they have 100% same genes) that one twin was gay and the other was not meaning that genes were not to blame but perhaps life experience. i agree with the person who said the thing about the murderer and the other person about thoughts not being condemning. for all u depressed about the thoughts of muslim gays, they have their own website and groups http://www.imaan.org.uk/

06-01-2006, 09:48 AM	#19
Smiley Senior Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,317 Rep Power: 19	How do people think that things which are forbidden in Islam are allowed to them because 'times have changed' and what not.. grr.. which means that they do not believe that Islam and the Quran is not a comprehensive way of life as it is backwards or outdated..? tsk

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