Alert : Yusuf Smith The Zionist Muslim Spy's On MPAC!

[TheBatman]

Does anyone know of this sell out called Yusaf smith. Very cosy with Zionists, hardly ever attacks them, and constantly attacks MPAC for attacking them.

Actually had the cheek to ask MPAC members "how do you know Zionists were behind the westminister banning of the debate" - very strange question. A Muslim that is actually trying to dig about to see here MPAC got its information on zionists from? hmmmmm

He seems upset at the success of MPAC (and his own lack of success), and its focus on Zionsm, and you could tell in his eyes he hated it. He even made a mistake when talking saying "MPAC attacks jews" which Asghar promptly caught him out and challenged him on it. He back tracked but not before his hatred for MPAC was shown and his true thoughts were revealed.

For someone who clearly thought highly of himself (you could not get more in love with yourself then this guy trust me, you know the type who like to be seen as pious but able to integrate - aka a progressive moslem) he sure was thick.

In a public arena, sitting in front of a number of MPAC members, i walked by and heard him say, the three most dumb things a zombie would be ashamed to say "Why dont you get a scholar to tell us what MPAC wants?", when questioned "why we needed to do that" he seemed confused and retorted "well whats your field of expertise?,"

Asghar looked at him with shock and replied "MPAC of course, do you really need a scholar to understand what MPAC is saying, cant you think, use your head, is it that complicated???"

He then went about saying everything from the point of view of a Zionists "some Jews are upset that you are so anti zionist?" etc hmmmmm

It would have been good to ask him, if he is anti Zionist 1 - lets see what he would have said.

"When Asghar asked him have you ever defended Palestine, he replied "Yes!£, then as he probed him asking him "Any success" ...his face felll "Errr whats your definaition of Success?"

Asghar replied "You dont even have a definition for success?"

This seemed to stun him, as he gobbled free MPAC food hoping Asghar would leave him alone. Thankfully for him, he did as he had to leave.

Lastly he was made to look really stupid. He said "The left are trying to harm the Muslims" .....how thick is this guy or was it on purpose. Everyone knows the left is in fact very close to the muslim cause right now. so he was protecting the Zionists, but had it in for the left - the very people who hated Zionism agan very suspect.

Where does he live "Mars or never, never land" , and is he something far more sinister.

If anyone has any information or even dirt on this guy, what his background is etc, would be well worth finding out. Never seen a guy so mixed up about who the hell he is, and so in bed with the enemy its horrible to see . Half uncle tom, half traitor. Cant work out if he sells Muslims out because he is a mixed up pompous freak, or a seedy plant.

He has been praised by Zionist blogs, regulary contributes to them, attacking MPAC for anti Israel bias, and has even attempted to smear and insult them. Why would a Zionist blog "wishing a Muslim good lcuk unless........"

Would be well worth watching out for this guy - take my word for it, very suspicious character.

[StrivingForParadise]

Well, do you have any proof or is this whole Zionist thing based on an assumption? I personally think it is a reasonable question to ask.

[TheBatman]

Well lets see shall we. Who do you think would want an anti-Zionist book stopped. Dont ever apply for the Police force, God help us with people like you on the case.

Lets hear the cogs in your mind turn. They really need some grease, tey havent been used in ages. Come on lets see how clever you are. Who do you think it was?

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by TheBatman

Well lets see shall we. Who do you think would want an anti-Zionist book stopped. Dont ever apply for the Police force, God help us with people like you on the case.

Lets hear the cogs in your mind turn. They really need some grease, tey havent been used in ages. Come on lets see how clever you are. Who do you think it was?

Yes, on the face of it one would make that obvious point. However, there is another argument I have read, which is that the university cancelled the event because they were under the impression that one of the universities alumni was holding a book launch. However, it turned out that the event centres on an author who has no connection with the university. So, it was cancelled. Therefore, this provides an alternative to the Zionist plot. Isn’t it?

So, going back to the initial question, is this based on proof, an assumption or was it conceived for the purpose of drawing attention? Hmmm....it seems I have just added a third option.

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by TheBatman

Lets hear the cogs in your mind turn. They really need some grease, tey havent been used in ages. Come on lets see how clever you are. Who do you think it was?

Are you always this sarcastic with everybody? Ever heard of the need for a Muslim to demonstrate good adab? Or were you not taught about the necessity of such things?

[TheBatman]

Sarcastic? - good Adaab How strange you use islam now to defend your self!, but when it coms to really defending Islam, you are strangely silent.

I write a short comment about some chap who seems on the face of it, to be siding with the Zionists. Do you ask me how to find out more in case the Muslims are betrayed by the man (a fard in Islam). do you go away and start to ensure the Muslims are protected at all from the likes of people like him, do you ask me how to tell you more about his activities?

Do you even try to contact the brother (maybe he is sincere but misguided), and you can give him sincere advice to stop aiding the enemy, again a fard in Islam - NO, you do none of these things. Islam to you seems to be only there for your protection "Adaab" then becomes the most important aspect in the whole of Islam to you, whilst your duty you remain strangely slent.

Instead you seem to be more interested in asking "how mpac know its the Zionists" ---what sickness is in your mind, more interested in petty questioning of such an obvious logic. did you infact bother to find out who stopped MPAC yourself?(again an islamic duty), did you do your own research into the activities of th JSOC (again an islamic duty)...did you protect MPAC before it was stopped (again an Islamic duty) no of course not, you sat there did nothing, then use Islam when someones questions your intelligence?

Islam isnt your toy my friend, its Allah's force for Good on this earth - USE IT AS SUCH.

[TheBatman]

Originally Posted by StrivingForParadise

Yes, on the face of it one would make that obvious point. However, there is another argument I have read, which is that the university cancelled the event because they were under the impression that one of the universities alumni was holding a book launch. However, it turned out that the event centres on an author who has no connection with the university. So, it was cancelled. Therefore, this provides an alternative to the Zionist plot. Isn’t it?

So, going back to the initial question, is this based on proof, an assumption or was it conceived for the purpose of drawing attention? Hmmm....it seems I have just added a third option.

Well if you have read the MPAC front page, you will know the answer. Now the question is simple. do you believe MPAC or do you believe the University.

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/1233/103/

Why you havent bothered to read that Im not sure. what makes me suspicious is te fact that you knew about the alumni comment. for you to know that you must have some access to the campaign. so why then not bother checking the site, or as is more plausible check the site, but choose to disbelieve it.

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by TheBatman

Sarcastic? - good Adaab How strange you use islam now to defend your self!, but when it coms to really defending Islam, you are strangely silent.

I write a short comment about some chap who seems on the face of it, to be siding with the Zionists. Do you ask me how to find out more in case the Muslims are betrayed by the man (a fard in Islam). do you go away and start to ensure the Muslims are protected at all from the likes of people like him, do you ask me how to tell you more about his activities?

Do you even try to contact the brother (maybe he is sincere but misguided), and you can give him sincere advice to stop aiding the enemy, again a fard in Islam - NO, you do none of these things. Islam to you seems to be only there for your protection "Adaab" then becomes the most important aspect in the whole of Islam to you, whilst your duty you remain strangely slent.

Instead you seem to be more interested in asking "how mpac know its the Zionists" ---what sickness is in your mind, more interested in petty questioning of such an obvious logic. did you infact bother to find out who stopped MPAC yourself?(again an islamic duty), did you do your own research into the activities of th JSOC (again an islamic duty)...did you protect MPAC before it was stopped (again an Islamic duty) no of course not, you sat there did nothing, then use Islam when someones questions your intelligence?

Islam isnt your toy my friend, its Allah's force for Good on this earth - USE IT AS SUCH.

Exactly how is he siding with the Zionists? He is merely asking a simple question. If you have evidences, then merely provide the answer and move along, rather than attacking him. Just because it may be obvious to you, however, in a court of law you would be thrown out head first for having wasted time. Muslims are extremely stringent when it comes to evidences. It is a duty upon all Muslims to provide evidences and not base it upon just because you may think it was obvious.

Here is an example, something to think about.

One day, Ali's (RA) armour had gone missing. Anyway, while walking through the market place, he recognised his armour in the possession of a Jew. He went up to the Jew and said, “This is my armour.” The Jew retorted, “Bring witnesses to prove it."

Ali (RA) proceeded to Qazi Shurayh and laid a charge of theft against the Jew. The case came before the Qazi. Both plaintiff and defendant presented themselves before the Qazi.

Qazi Shurayh (rah), without being overawed by the presence of Ameerul Mu’mineen, Ali (RA), seated himself with the stature that the occasion demanded. Calmly, without any trace of discomfort or panic, he commenced proceedings. He asked the Jew, “Does the armour belong to Ali (RA)?” The Jew flatly denied it.

Thereupon the Qazi turned to Ali (RA) and calmly requested, “Bring your witnesses to support your claim.”

Ali (RA) produced two witnesses. One was his son, Husayn (RA) and the other was his freed slave, whose name was Qambar. In his opinion, the evidence of these two was in accordance to Islamic law.

However Qazi Shurayh (rah) addressed Ali (RA), Bring another witness in place of Husayn (RA). The evidence of your slave, seeing he was freed is accepted.” Ali (RA) replied, “I have no other witness.” Due to the lack of sufficient evidence – a second acceptable witness – Qazi Shurayh (rah) dismissed the case acting according to the Shariah and not according to his personal reliance on the truthfulness of Ali (RA).

The Jew in the meantime was observing the entire proceeding with full attention. On leaving the courtroom, he watched intently to see the reaction of Ali (RA). There was not the slightest bit of annoyance on the face of Ali (RA). Not a word of displeasure regarding the verdict was uttered. The Jew, overcome by this sterling character addressed Ali (RA) thus:

"The reality of the situation has become quite clear to me, your religion is certainly a true one, and your attitude is its effect on you.” The Jew continued, “ here, take it, the armour is yours! And I herewith proclaim that I bear witness, there is none worthy of worship besides Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (P.B.U.H)."

Ali (RA) said, “I, in turn present this armour to you as gift!”

So here we have Ali (RA) the khalif of the Islamic state, and someone who has been guaranteed paradise. Now many people would argue that it is obvious that Ali must be telling the truth. However, because he had insufficient proof the judge decided against him. Or now are you going to suggest that the Judge must have been a secret Jew? Just remember paranoia leads to ignorance.

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by TheBatman

Well if you have read the MPAC front page, you will know the answer. Now the question is simple. do you believe MPAC or do you believe the University.

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/1233/103/

Why you havent bothered to read that Im not sure. what makes me suspicious is te fact that you knew about the alumni comment. for you to know that you must have some access to the campaign. so why then not bother checking the site, or as is more plausible check the site, but choose to disbelieve it.

Actually I have the MPACUK forum saved in my favourites. Therefore, I missed that. I only came on to the site today, so, I did not check the main site.. In regards to the alumni comment, it was something I heard from a friend yesterday. Therefore, the question now becomes why are there two stories? Which is the correct story? And is there any proof to support that story? Just simple questions. Just like what Yusuf initially asked. There is no need to lose your mind over it, just provide the proof and move along. It would actually look better on you rather than resorting to insults. Remember Yusuf is also a Muslim, therefore, are you suggesting he must be a kaffir for having asked that question because it was not so obvious to him? What exactly are you suggesting?

[FractionMan]

Batman, I agree with you, this guy of indigo blogs is really dodgy. I have been watching his site for quite some time. Not only does he "side" with Zionists, Zionists like him too.

I created a thread on this chap before, he recently reopened his forum as bl0gistan or something, and H@rry's place (pro zionist blog) wished him all the best and recommended him!!!

Here is the thread

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=3862

I'm not going to link to the H@rrys place article (dont want their name on this forum) but will just copy and paste it here for you to read:

Yusuf Smith has relaunched Blogistan as "a Muslim group blog for mainstream, orthodox Muslims, offering commentary on both religious and social issues from a Muslim point of view".

His intention is that the blog will represent the:

true, moderate face of Islam in Britain, and be a counterweight not only to unfair representations in the media, but also to certain media monitoring sites run by immature people who (probably unintentionally) regularly show us in a bad light.

When I have disagreed with Yusuf, it has usually been for two reasons:

First, I do not think that political or ethical arguments should be treated in a special way - particularly by the state - merely because they are premised upon a religious belief.

Secondly, I would resist the sleight of hand which frames identity in religious terms, and then treats "leaders" of that religious community as the true representatives of all "members" of that faith: from the devout to the semi-detached.

This is an argument that we've had at length in these pages, so I won't rehearse it here. Suffice it to say that none of these objections apply to Yusuf's new group blog, which is neither a committee, a pulpit, or a campaign. It is specifically and explicitly a voice for those "mainstream, orthodox Muslims", who broadly share Yusuf's perspective, and who he is now recruiting as co-bloggers.

I wish it success.

Hahaha, I wish it success, it's like Shaytan wishing a person success. What on Earth does that make the person???

[StrivingForParadise]

Salaam, here is an interesting observation I have just made. I followed the link to that old thread you mention and you say the following,

Originally Posted by FractionMan

Anyway, he attacks lots of Muslim organisations

Well, don’t MPACUK members do the same? I am assuming Batman is a member of MPACUK and he referred to HT as Loonies. Muslims have for centuries been killing each other. So does that mean everyone is a secret Jew?

Note to Batman: If you don’t have anything good to say about anybody, don’t say it because it can always backfire on you!

[FractionMan]

Listen, really annoying thing you did there, so i'm going to ask nicely just once. Don't quote me out of context again. Not if you want a decent conversation with me.

What I said was

I found this dodgy blog, by somone chap called Yusuf Smith, called Blog!stan. Anyway, he attacks lots of Muslim organisations, but what is really worrying is that this guy got a mention as H@arrys Place (an islamophobic blog) who wished him success

There is nothing wrong with attacking a Muslim organisation if they are doing something wrong, and MPAC arent perfect. But to get support from non Muslim, pro Zionist groups for doing it? That is suspicious...very very suspicious.

Unless you don't see it.

And for the record, of what I know about MPAC, they only attack Muslim groups that fail to do anything, and I totally agree with them. So lets not go down that road, as I'm not for budging and you'll be wasting your time.

Stick to Zionist Muslim issue

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by FractionMan

Listen, really annoying thing you did there, so i'm going to ask nicely just once. Don't quote me out of context again. Not if you want a decent conversation with me.

What I said was



There is nothing wrong with attacking a Muslim organisation if they are doing something wrong, and MPAC arent perfect. But to get support from non Muslim, pro Zionist groups for doing it? That is suspicious...very very suspicious.

Unless you don't see it.

And for the record, of what I know about MPAC, they only attack Muslim groups that fail to do anything, and I totally agree with them. So lets not go down that road, as I'm not for budging and you'll be wasting your time.

Stick to Zionist Muslim issue

Yes, I did read carefully actually. And I did not quote you out of context because you had identified two problems about Yusuf. I merely pointed out one of them because it stood out the most to me which I found a little funny. Understand?

[sunilight]

Originally Posted by StrivingForParadise

Well, don’t MPACUK members do the same? I am assuming Batman is a member of MPACUK and he referred to HT as Loonies.

IMPORTANT NOTICE::::

Please dont assume that any forum member is a member of MPACUK
the forum is a freely accessable public space for anybody to air their views they do not have to be a member of mpacuk to post here... all they need to do is adhere to the forum rules

[LocalGenius]

Originally Posted by StrivingForParadise

Yes, I did read carefully actually. And I did not quote you out of context because you had identified two problems about Yusuf. I merely pointed out one of them because it stood out the most to me which I found a little funny. Understand?

what do you think of his other problem then ?

[FractionMan]

Originally Posted by StrivingForParadise

Yes, I did read carefully actually. And I did not quote you out of context because you had identified two problems about Yusuf. I merely pointed out one of them because it stood out the most to me which I found a little funny. Understand?

OK, in that case I hope I answered the first point, but my main emphasis was on the second. I'm glad we understand each other.

[TheBatman]

Originally Posted by StrivingForParadise

Yes, I did read carefully actually. And I did not quote you out of context because you had identified two problems about Yusuf. I merely pointed out one of them because it stood out the most to me which I found a little funny. Understand?

Im not a member of MPAC but do have friends in MPAC and am an armchair supporter ! Let me say this , once again your use of islamic evidence is out of context.

This type of case is a not a legal matter - in time of war, a possible threat to security, the army does not go to the judge and say "this so called muslims seems too cosy with the enemy, please punish him" ..duh?

first they watch him!, this is a matter where the safety of the ummah is concerned. Thus as a soldier in the defence of the ummah you would then follow up your leads to verify and keep check on any suspect.

do you know anything about islam, and which pacified scholar do you follow exactly, cause who ever he was, you either wernt paying attention or he was rubbish.

You seem to so out of your mind in defending him, so ready to misuse Islamic quotes, that im starting to wonder about you!

I find it highly disturbing in fact that you do not find it strange a Zionist website is in fact "wishing his blog good luck?"/////your islam seems to go no deeper thn your throat my friend.

[Unaiza]

We have a user called Yusuf Smith. I'm not sure if he 'the' Yusuf Smith:

Originally Posted by Yusuf Smith

As-Salaamu 'alaikum

It's important for Muslims to build connections on both sides of British politics. We cannot trust the left. Have you seen some left-wing blogs?

Try this one: Harry's Place. They are very strongly opposed to left-wing collaboration with any religious group whatsoever. They routinely use words like "fascist" to describe Muslim activism. There is and has always been a very strong anti-religious tendency on the British left.

The connection between the Asian community (not just Muslims) and Labour is rooted in the politics of the 1960s and 1970s. Today, Labour has plenty of nasty, authoritarian characters like Blunkett and Straw. They are buddy-buddy with George W Bush. They also threaten clampdowns on civil liberties - most of which the Tories oppose!

To say nothing of what communists do to Muslims whenever they get power. How can we trust them? The MCB-SWP alliance will break down as soon as the Iraq war is no longer an issue.

Yusuf

Taken from the context thread:

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.p...2702#post52702

Maybe u shud ask him direct Bat.

[UmmZakariya]

i rally didnt agree with Bat and frac when they posted this about yusuf smith i thought he was sincere chap who is right to critique mpac and hold mpac accountable...but now im not so sure this is what he has posted on Harry's Place

The MPACUK mob always were a fringe group anyway, and their big-time attitude problem has been no secret to anyone who has received their unsolicited emails which often contain slurs against both individuals and whole sections of the Muslim community. They are useless, not sincere, "pacified muppets" and various other things unless they take part in MPACUK's "political jihad". They were exposed in Q-News several years ago by Fareena Alam, and the attitude hasn't improved much; only the presentation has.

Posted by: Yusuf Smith at December 8, 2005 06:22 PM
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/ar...cist_loons.php

the fact is he does to mpac exactly what he accuses them of, i have on occasion emailed this brother offered to talk to him he has declined, even posted his articles on the MPACUK site and therefore publicised his blog...yet this is the thanks we get.....he is a very arrogant and self righteous brother no one he cannot stomach the honesty of mpacuk.

im so disgusted.......he came ot the Alan Hart debate but only to look for more reason with which to condemn us and agree with the Islamophobes on Harry's place http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.p...an_hart_a#more

[UmmZakariya]

another rant

The fact that MPAC is run by people who are a sandwich or two short of a picnic has been well-known for years - it was Fareena Alam who first exposed the mentality of some of those people in Q-News in (I think) 2001. The article was on-line for a while, although I don’t think it still is (it should be). They are also well-known for spamming - I was subscribed to their email bulletins until it got too ridiculous; Umm Zaid (of the Sunni Sister blog) reported having received unsolicited emails from them. Besides their alleged anti-semitism, they are well-known for their sweeping slurs against individual Muslims and against virtually the entire Muslim community (except them and their buddies who engage in what they call “political jihad”). They also have one of the worst websites going, full of animations which make the pages take ages to load and slow the browser down. I think they have some good ideas but it’s badly let down by their attitude problem.

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/195

what i find most disgusting is however much he detests mpac (which he is entitled to do) they are still his muslim brothers and sisters he could have bought his grievances to them on here, emailed them , attempted to meet and discuss face to face, but to malign them on clearly anti-muslim blogs that carry abuse and even threats against mpac and join in with them........everyone here knows i dont like HT but i wouldnt go onto LGF or harry place and join in with the Islamophobes in abusing them they are still my brothers and sisters after all i just disagree with them and am happy to agree to disagree....

but Yusuf Smith has such a pathological hatred of them he revels in abusing mpacuk alongside our enemies.......

ps: fareena alam accused mpacuk of many untrue things and since apologised Q-news now carries our adverts.