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Muslim Traitors-The enemy within
By Showkat Ali This poem was inspired by several Muslims who have betrayed Islam and the Ummah and are now openly working for the Crusader West in its losing battle against Political Islam. The West is losing as the Muslim Ummah continues to work and struggle hard for the return of Islam to life and society. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ae06XGh4MU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odr2pJeSMqU Yes I’m a traitor A self hater A denier Shame to the ummah You see me on T.V Talking trash Pseudo intellectual and author I can’t beat the west And its ideas Too powerful So I join them In their war against Political Islam Because they must be the best It’s not easy being me Abuse and threats daily Afraid to walk the streets In case I meet People I betrayed Who are after me Because I sold out the deen For a few pieces of silver Like Judas I infiltrated Many Islamic movements Was active Now I’m passive Not sincere A bystander Watching the plots against the Ummah I sell my story to the highest bidder Like a prostitute Yes I left the dawah completely Some say I’m a quitter No politics in Islam I preach Like a fanatic People think I’m manic Because I voted for Labour Blair and his cronies Mass murderers of Iraqis I call them that Instead of Muslims I’m a wannabe sufi Some call me a deviant one at that Supposed to be Detached from material wealth But I sell My story To all and sundry My biggest fear is Hope they don’t offer me money to pose naked I easily Betray confidences And make up lies Anything to get attention And feel important I need therapy To cope with my dilemmas I openly brag That I’m active In getting people arrested Tortured and even killed Am I mass murderer? Or a good citizen According to Mr Blair? I get rave reviews From Mrs Phillips and the Neo-Cons I never knew They loved traitors so much Might get an MBE next year from the Queen I’m a born again Muslim British Muslim Got a red passport Wave it when the racists call me a terrorist And paki scum No if’s no Butts Some people after me To stab me in the heart Like they did Hassan in Manchester I dread the return of the Caliphate Who will apply to extradite Me Put me on trial And then execute me As a traitor My Brit mates Can’t be trusted To protect me They’ll sell me Or trade me for a few of their soldiers So I continue Insulting and abusing An expert on Islam And the movements Although I was faithful to none No wonder my wife and parents are scared In case they are the subject of my next book And the West views me with mistrust After all I did sell out my own people Deen and akhira For this life Please feel free to forward and circulate as you wish. If you can then please watch the 2 vids on the link. Comments would be appreciated on the poem and the 2 vids inshAllah |
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Losing money and face, but I would have to say the west loses much less than the East in the "War On Terror".
Which country is that in then?
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Its always someone else's fault, eh? If its not "Jews! Jews! Jews!" its "Spies! Spies! Spies!" with the Islamist fantasy brigade.
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Sparky, you haven't mentioned Zionists ?
Why not ? |
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I suppose this poem is directed at Ed Husain. Personally, I don't see him as a traitor so much as a rubbish researcher. Check out Inayat Bunglawala's excellent review of Husain's book, which draws attention to some of the serious flaws in Husain's book:
http://www.mcb.org.uk/library/article_24-05-07.php Wasalaam Yakoub
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Don't listen to the Hizbut Tahrir. Crackpots do not speak for us all. I would hope it would be in the already 'so-called muslim but doing an [Inappropriate] job of it' country.
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. Talk trash, get flamed. Last edited by suspect; 01-06-2007 at 10:58 PM. Reason: Edit Inappropriate Language |
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isn't it best not to speculate what is going on in other peoples heads and on other peoples intentions.
don't really see what i'm supposed to do with this poem.
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I'm one of those people who really hate the way people use the word Radical, to me its an Ultra-liberal philosophy, yet in modern times it seems to apply just as much to Religious conservatives, which is the direct opposite of Radicalism is all about *whine whine*
Still I find it funny how cheesy that stuff is, like how the "west" is bad and evil, and there is some force, some where, apparently with significant power standing up for "us" in some kind of good way, which is total crap. If people really have a problem with this whole "western world" thing, why do they find it so hard to leave it? |
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Why have a dog and bark yourself?
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So who is "The West"? Who are they "at war" with? Are their only 2 parts of the world: that's a very narrow view? The "Crusader West"? Hmmm. Too many people mix religion and politics, trying to force their views on others. Surely both killing and hatred is wrong, regardless of religion?
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So what do people think about Ed Hussain and Hassan Butt, are they traitors or sincere Muslims who are following the examples of the Sahabah and brave Mujahideen?
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Some more info on Ed Hussain, please comment inshAllah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Husain Husain's father was born in India and his mother originates from Bangladesh. He grew up in the Limehouse area of London and attended Sir William Borough School, Stepney Green School, Tower Hamlets College and Newham College. He later worked for HSBC and the British Council in Saudi Arabia and Syria before enrolling at the School of Oriental and African Studies. He later joined the Labour Party. Husain claims that in the early 1990s he was associated with Jamaat-e-Islami, East London Mosque, Young Muslims Organisation, Hizb ut-Tahrir and the Islamic Society of Britain. However, to date there has been no independent corroboration of any substantive association with any of these organisations. In an interview broadcast by CNN on May 3 2007, a spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir denied Husain's claim that he had been a member of the organisation. Husain was a former associate of convicted terrorist Dhiren Barot, MCB media secretary Inayat Bunglawala and Omar Bakri Muhammad. The right-wing Daily Mail columnist Melanie Phillips has described Husain as a "brave Muslim". The journalist Ziauddin Sardar accuses Husain of being a neocon who wants "everyone locked up". The Muslim writer Andrew Booso criticises Husain for showing "a serious inadequacy of knowledge regarding theology and Sacred Law as expounded by the masters through the ages." Although his views on matters of Islamic jurisprudence are not comprehensively documented, Husain has liberal views towards homosexuality and Islamic marriage laws. Although labelling himself as a 'traditionalist' Husain rejects orthodox Islamic teaching in arguing that Muslim women should be allowed to marry non-Muslim men. In an interview in the New York Times Husain says, "In traditional circles, Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-Muslim men...But in a pluralistic world in 2007, where non-Muslim men and Muslim women are marrying, you can't say, 'You can’t do that.'" Husain also questions orthodox Islamic teaching in relation to the Caliphate, arguing, "But 'the state' is not a rukn of the deen and without it the deen is not lost. An individual can remain a firm believer, a mutadayyin, without the imam and the jama'ah." Husain has also explained that he believes that Islam is in need of modernisation. Although Islam originated just over 1400 years ago in the 7th-century with the teachings of Muhammad, in an interview with Time Out, Husain says, "The Islam that was preached 2,000 years ago isn’t going to work here in modern London. Muslims need to alter their lifestyles to a Western lifestyle." |
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This sort of talk spreads hatred against individuals in the public eye by people who sit behind the comfort of annonymity. This is a cowardly way to spread fitnah against others. Really bad. But very common by some people who claim to have the true understanding of Islam. Accept it people...you all have opinions but it becomes dangerous when you target individuals.
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Accusing people as cowards makes you guilty of what you accuses others of i.e spreading hate. I suppose you have done a research project on people who claim to have the true understanding of Islam? Whose targetting individuals? Its a discussion of the ideas these individuals are promoting. Do they or you think that they can write books and give interviews where they attack and undermine Islamic ideas and the Muslims will remain quite and say nothing? Also if you have read Eds book please mention if you think it is good, also please lets engage in a discussion about the ideas these people are propagating. |
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I have read his book. Have you? I thought it was OK though the third quarter is rather longer than it should have been. I don't agree with all his ideas. I certainly don't have any reason to doubt his veracity and some of my own experiences in life echo his. I think he raises some important points I agree with and some points I disagree with (particularly towards the end of the book where he seems to have become increasingly embittered). I disagree with your statement that he has written a book undermining Islamic ideas. I agree that some of his ideas don't concord with Islamic concepts but that certainly wasn't the point of the book and I am surprised that you have arrived at that conclusion. In reading the transition of his life (particularly in Saudi Arabia) it is easy to see how he has arrived where he has (I am happy to discuss this further but only if you have read the book and not just the exerts). As to whether I expect Muslims to remain quiet, the answer is I would expect Mulsims to be critical some of the ideas but not to write up a vitriolic general character assasination. But then I think it is better to be critical of ideas and not of people.
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Yes I have read his book, and I was also there in some of the incidents he describes.
So what do you think is his objective for writing this book? What does he present as a solution? Joining the Labour party and becoming a Sufi. There has been no vitriolic character assasination anywhere from my posts, please show me where I have done what you accuse me off? Wheras his book contains many incidents where he has betrayed peoples trusts and contents of private conversations, which portray people who are living and active in Islamic dawah to be extremists. |
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