Alert : Yusuf Smith The Zionist Muslim Spy's On MPAC!

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by TheBatman

Im not a member of MPAC but do have friends in MPAC and am an armchair supporter ! Let me say this , once again your use of islamic evidence is out of context.

This type of case is a not a legal matter - in time of war, a possible threat to security, the army does not go to the judge and say "this so called muslims seems too cosy with the enemy, please punish him" ..duh?

first they watch him!, this is a matter where the safety of the ummah is concerned. Thus as a soldier in the defence of the ummah you would then follow up your leads to verify and keep check on any suspect.

do you know anything about islam, and which pacified scholar do you follow exactly, cause who ever he was, you either wernt paying attention or he was rubbish.

You seem to so out of your mind in defending him, so ready to misuse Islamic quotes, that im starting to wonder about you!

I find it highly disturbing in fact that you do not find it strange a Zionist website is in fact "wishing his blog good luck?"/////your islam seems to go no deeper thn your throat my friend.

I am not entirely too sure what you are talking about. You seem to have problems articulating your points. Either way, please provide evidences in which it details that it is not necessary during times of war to provide proof when making a judgement against somebody. Furthermore, I had no idea you were at war, so are you dodging bullets and rockets as you type from behind your computer or something? Interesting....

Originally Posted by TheBatman

I find it highly disturbing in fact that you do not find it strange a Zionist website is in fact "wishing his blog good luck?"/////your islam seems to go no deeper thn your throat my friend.

Actually that does not say anything at all. Just because a kaffir wishes him luck does not suggest that he is in league with them. Where is your proof he is in league? I suggest that you begin to read less on conspiracy theories and rely on objective study.

Finally, I have to say that you are the most offensive Muslim I have personally come across, and brother, I suggest that you begin to fear Allah (swt). You are extremely poorly mannered, you have no idea how to talk to someone. You are extremely abusive and irresponsible, and make snap judgements about persons. I strongly suggest that an official MPACUK member ban this person because he is giving the wrong impression about you guys because I actually thought he was one of you. he is probably an impressionable 14 year old so I will forgive him, but I strongly suggest that you have words with him privately and explain to him the benefits of demonstrating Islamic manners.

[UmmZakariya]

Furthermore, I had no idea you were at war, so are you dodging bullets and rockets as you type from behind your computer or something? Interesting....

bat is over zealos but he does feel for his brothers and sisters in war situation you ridicule him for this i think thats intersting....

also

Just because a kaffir wishes him luck does not suggest that he is in league with them.

how many kaffirs have wished you luck recently? do they ususally wish us luck? have you bothered to read this kafir site? indeed you didnt even bother to read my posts that preceded yours, Yusuf Smith joins in with these kafirs in insulting his fellow brothers and sisters at mpacuk...could you kindly lecture him on his manners?

snap judgements

pls bother to read my posts and all the overwhelming evidence....you have given Yusuf Smith the benefit of the doubt can you not extend this courtesy to mpac?

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by UmmZakariya

bat is over zealos but he does feel for his brothers and sisters in war situation you ridicule him for this i think thats intersting....

If he is so concerned about Muslims engaged in war around the world why is he an armchair supporter of Muslims rather then taking real actions to help his brothers and sisters? Unfortunately, he is of the all talk and no action variety.

Yes I did ridicule him just then, but because I have come to the end of my patience with him, and am surprised that you were unable to notice that but used it as a way to attack me. He is extremely rude and gives a bad impression about Muslims; it is as simple as that. Being overly zealous and being passionate about your Muslim brothers and sisters is no excuse to be rude and not to think objectively. From the outset he was the initial oppressor, and that is why I defended Yusuf. Yusuf asked a simple question, and just because it was not obvious to him batman goes into a diatribe about him.

Originally Posted by UmmZakariya

pls bother to read my posts and all the overwhelming evidence....you have given Yusuf Smith the benefit of the doubt can you not extend this courtesy to mpac?

Yes sister you have provided an alternative story about Yusuf. However, if batman was to have done such things earlier it would have helped me to look at things in a different light. Maybe batman needs to learn the arts of good debating because so far he is probably the worst I have ever come across.

Either way, I think being on this forum is going to be a waste of my time because no real debates are encouraged on here, it is automatically assumed if you ask a question that is deemed anti-MPAC then you are either a Zionist spy. All I have seen so far is a poor display of Islamic manners and people slagging each other off. So this will be my last post. Thanks for making me feel welcomed.

Salaam forever!

*deletes MPACUK forum from favourites list*

P.S. I will be telling everyone I know to avoid this place at all costs.

[UmmZakariya]

what a baby! as for slandering us to others its obvious you never came here with a pure heart but to question and belittle from the outset...batman didnt help matters but because of one person you will be unfairly maligning all of mpac thats hardly fair but then we believe all publicity is good publicity.

[StrivingForParadise]

Originally Posted by UmmZakariya

what a baby! as for slandering us to others its obvious you never came here with a pure heart but to question and belittle from the outset...batman didnt help matters but because of one person you will be unfairly maligning all of mpac thats hardly fair but then we believe all publicity is good publicity.

This I just have to reply to. So now you are saying that because I am here questioning this is proof that I am here with malicious intent? Furthermore, who has been belittling who exactly? Who is the one that has been offensive from the outset? You sister need to get you facts straight and be a little less bias in making your judgements.

Finally, I am going to warn people to keep away from here primarily because if people like batman are allowed to behave the way they do and the moderators do not do anything to control such behaviours, especially in their presence then that actually explains how uninterested the moderators and MPACUK members are with encouraging good debate. From what I have seen so far there is far too much argumentation going on. Maybe you people need to focus little on politics and more on what it means to be a Muslim. As they say you can’t build a house without the foundations.

[LocalGenius]

No personal attacks and stay on topic

[sunilight]

okay people will have to close this thread
if it gets out of hand
threads like this that go too off topic
that end up as personal arguemnts will be closed no matter what the intention was when started

so stick to topic and be nice

[UmmZakariya]

Salaam forever!

*deletes MPACUK forum from favourites list*

This I just have to reply to.

oh my God make up your mind!!!

[muslima_89]

....wts going on???

[FractionMan]

StrivingForParadise threw a hissy fit, he had an argument with some user called BatMan, and is now blaming MPAC for everything from the Iraq War to the death of his pet beaver.

BatMan isn't even MPAC for goodness sake, talk about being crazy!

[sunni]

slowly swifting on to the next level.....

[muslima_89]

lol y blaming mpac it has nothing to do with the iraq war go blame some1 like bush or blair who r really the source of all these wars

[FractionMan]

Originally Posted by muslima_89

lol y blaming mpac it has nothing to do with th iraq war go blame some1 like bush or blair wo r really the source of all these wars

Finally someone with something sensible to say (albeit badly spelt - my spelling sucks too)

[UmmZakariya]

not only does Yusuf Smith keep company with Islamophobes whom he likes to slag off mpac with, he has inhumane 'Muslims' like 'Bikhair' posting callous statements like this:

I am sick to my teeth of hearing about Muslims. Who cares about the Palestinians, when have they ever talked about Islam? They should enjoy those refugee camps because the hell fire so much worse. Fear it!

and

To all those who have responded to my comments about the Palestinians you guys should really be a little bit more thoughtful when reading something unorthodox about these very hot political issues.

The point I was trying to make about our beloved Palestinian brothers and sisters was that all they talk about is a Palestinians state. Why? Did Prophet Muhammed (sallalahu alaihi wa salam ever fight jihad on behalf of the dunyah, which is what a Palestinian state amounts to? For all those who dont come from that area and are Muslim exactly what signifigance would a state for those types of Arabs do for you? Nothing! Prophet Muhammed (sallalahu alaihi wa salam) said that if you fight and die on behalf of your tribe or nation you die a death of jahiliyah.

I would hate to see all those "martyrs" die a death of jahiliyah for an ethnic as opposed to an Islamic state.

While my comments about the refugee camps was rather callous I stand by them. Those Arabs have been running towards the hell fire for many generations now on behalf of thier BS politics much (if not most) of which has nothing to do with the deen of Islam.

Now sit back and relax you Muslims and the confused kafirs who bother them.

Astaghfirullah!!! so the Palestinians deserve refugee camps and occupation do they? when we have 'Muslims' like this who needs Zionists! Frac you were right Yusuf Smith must be pro-zionist he makes no attempt to argue with this evil and cruel person.


not only that the zionist that made trouble at the debate posts his romantic version of events there! Apparently he is a brave zionist soul who took on all the anti-semitic mpacers!

[sunilight]

Its Disgusting That People Forget When They Talk About A Nation Or Generalise Like This They Are Talking About Real People With Real Feelings...

No One Want To Live An Life In Suffering Then Die
No Wants To Fight All Their Life
No Wants To Live Under Oppression

Even A Freaking Soldier Fights For Peace



No One Is Fighting For Paelstinian State Per-se The Argument Has Always Been About Freeing A People From Oppression

The Thought That Some Guy In His Warm House With This Running Hot Water And Cntral Heating And New Shoes Is Preaching To Those That Live In Refugee Camps.... Its Just Riduclous......

Btw Still Dont Agree With The Deliberate Targeting Of Women And Children
But This Guy Needs To Stop Being Such A Wimp And Stand Up For Whats Right .. Not Whats Against The Grain...

[TheBatman]

Your right thats what upset me so much with this chap who came and defended Yusaf the "Im a Zionist lover get me out of here" smith.

I mean how on earth can any Muslim not be outraged at hearing that a Muslim so called "self proclamed sufi" is loved by zionists? - one would have to be blind not to be slightl weary right?

Any Muslim who takes the sides of a Zionist is according to Islamic Scholars a "hypocrite" and thats not disputed by any of them!

Now you tell me is Yusaf Smith a plant, and agent or a hypocrite??

whatever he is, we Muslims need to be aware of him. Watch him, and report on him as soon as we can to other Muslims. People like this need to be monitored.

[TheBatman]

I have just read a Zionist blog and was shocked once again by the actions of the Zionist Muslim "Yusaf Smith".

Apparently he infiltrated an open day, and then once he had got what he wanted went straight back and posted it on a Zionist blog that monitor MPAC.

He claims he is from the Sufi school of thought (probably as good cover). But not many people know of this shadowy character which makes it even more suspicious.

I urge members of this forum to get the word out and tell other groups to be very weary of this chap. A true enemy of Islam and and in my mind once again more evidence that he is a spy for the other side.

In all my years with Muslims I have never seen such an evil malicious thing to do. Not only come to an event, but then post your findings of that event on a Zionist site? There wasnt much to tell, its not like MPAC are not open about what they do, but its still very weird.

He claims he is a convert (is that flock of pigs flying?), does anyone know which Muslim taught him, what group does hebelong too? Lets really get a dossier on this chap like the Jewish Board of Deputies does on Muslims.

The strange character is very subtle. If anyone goes to his blog, it seems above board with normal postings, its only when you dig ever deeper does it all start to get really weird. His close connection with Zionists is the final alarm bell.


In these times we must be very very careful. Allah will hold us accountable if we allow the enemies of Islam a free hand to destroy us.

Does anyone have the Islamic ruling on Muslims who help the enemy against Muslims?

If anyone has any information on this chap, please post in here, plus on the blogs so that all muslims can be alert to the dangers of this zionist Muslims activities.



the muslim does not sleep when the enemies of islam are vigilant

[UmmZakariya]

bat pls post a link dont make statements without backing them up pls!

[UmmZakariya]

I have just been to MPAC's open day in London and have some good news: an election is coming shortly for the leadership of the group and Asghar Bukhari is standing down. Although there were not that many people at the meeting, I did see a lot of ladies who seemed more capable and reasonable than Asghar and one or two of the other male leaders. There are at least some cool-headed and articulate people in that organisation.

this is what yusuf says on the engage forum (lots of enemies of mpac there hard core zionists very threatened by us) ...funny how he didnt post proper account of the open day on his own blog.....he has such a pathological hatred of mpac and esp of Ashar bukhari...has he ever bothered to speak to Asghar in person to communicate with him rather than just back bite about him on zionist forums....its just a shame....Yusuf also seems to do a lot of appeasing of Islamophobes on sites like Harry's Place and Pickled politics he happily posts alongside Zionists/Islamophobes who threaten and insult mpac....its a shame he has such little regards for his fellow brothers and sisters even the cool headed and articulate ones are having their lives threatened on there....we are all collectively labelled anti-semitic homophobic racist etc blah blah.....Yusuf's disrespect of 'political jihad' is also disturbing...

[Shazan]

UmmZakariya, I hear often the term "enemies of Mpac", then verily they are the enemies of all Muslim?