A new form of Holocaust Denial?

[xris]

Originally Posted by venceremos

They are not my claims but those of a world-renowned Australian scientist who specialises in the field of mortality rates through wars, sanctions, famines and the like.

So Xris should really take this up directly with Dr Polya whose email address has been publicized on this thread.

But will he?

so if some eminent prat spoke the oposite youde post it would you.selective reading can be very dangerous.

[venceremos]

just keep plying your hatred of the west you have plenty of buyers

Again, you've got it all wrong. I do not hate the West, East, South or North. You confuse my condemnation of systems, rulers and, yes, cultures for hatred. Condemnation is not the same as hatred but the exercise of moral truth.

In Islam it is said that in these times that the forces of good are under constant attack by the forces of dajjal (deceit). To condemn and to expose the dajjal is not to hate but to exercise discrimination.

To discriminate is not to hate.

We cannot all be to blame for the actions of our rulers in abusing their power. You are just as much victim to the acts of our rulers as any. But we do have a collective responsibility for allowing our rulers unchallenged to act destructively.

If enough people had been able to act against Hitler he may have never risen to power. But, for whatever reason, they didn't and ironically he came to power democratically through the ballot box!

So the Germans were forced to accept collective responsibility for the crimes committed by Hitler and his Nazis.

Similarly, our war criminals, Bush, Cheney, Blair and Brown have committed war crimes and been responsible for a New Holocaust. So they, too, should be punished under the same laws used to punish the Nazis.

And Britain and the USA must accept the collective responsibility for what their politicians did. Except, it could be argued, that Bush (who was never elected but selected) is a rogue who stole two elections from the American people and was thus never democratically elected.

Notwithstanding that added crime it was still up to the American people to have removed that criminal and replaced him with a properly elected leader who, in 2000, was Al Gore.

[xris]

Originally Posted by venceremos

Again, you've got it all wrong. I do not hate the West, East, South or North. You confuse my condemnation of systems, rulers and, yes, cultures for hatred. Condemnation is not the same as hatred but the exercise of moral truth.

In Islam it is said that in these times that the forces of good are under constant attack by the forces of dajjal (deceit). To condemn and to expose the dajjal is not to hate but to exercise discrimination.

To discriminate is not to hate.

We cannot all be to blame for the actions of our rulers in abusing their power. You are just as much victim to the acts of our rulers as any. But we do have a collective responsibility for allowing our rulers unchallenged to act destructively.

If enough people had been able to act against Hitler he may have never risen to power. But, for whatever reason, they didn't and ironically he came to power democratically through the ballot box!

So the Germans were forced to accept collective responsibility for the crimes committed by Hitler and his Nazis.

Similarly, our war criminals, Bush, Cheney, Blair and Brown have committed war crimes and been responsible for a New Holocaust. So they, too, should be punished under the same laws used to punish the Nazis.

And Britain and the USA must accept the collective responsibility for what their politicians did. Except, it could be argued, that Bush (who was never elected but selected) is a rogue who stole two elections from the American people and was thus never democratically elected.

Notwithstanding that added crime it was still up to the American people to have removed that criminal and replaced him with a properly elected leader who, in 2000, was Al Gore.

not liking bush is a common cold ,repeating outlandish accusations is a cancer.being more responsible in you condemnation and you might have more believers.

[venceremos]

so if some eminent prat spoke the oposite youde post it would you.selective reading can be very dangerous.

I have said elsewhere in this thread: both the estimate of 6 million in the Jewish Holocaust and 8 million in the new, Muslim Holocaust are both estimates. And as estimates they are both challengeable.

The trouble is, anyone who challenges the 6 million figure is immediately labeled an "anti-semite" (and in Austria liable to be imprisoned). The 8 million estimate, as I have also said, is very recent so I doubt it has been challenged by any specialists in that field.

[venceremos]

not liking bush is a common cold ,repeating outlandish accusations is a cancer

Are you suggesting this about the scandal of the stolen US elections of 2000 and 2004? There's plenty of information on the Net should you care to research it.

And even Al Gore finally conceded that he was the "nearly President."

[venceremos]

8 Million Deaths & Media Holocaust Denial
from Media with Conscience
by Gideon Polya

The 6th anniversary of the US invasion of Afghanistan is approaching. This horrendous war crime was committed ostensibly in response to the 9/11 atrocity in which 3,000 people died.

While the egregiously dishonest and violent Bush Administration asserts that this atrocity was committed by Muslim Men in Caves, nobody has been arraigned and tried and there is a large body of available evidence that the US or US surrogates (Israelis?) were complicit in this crime (e.g. see Scholars for 9/11 Truth: http://st911.org/ ). As a scientist for 4 decades I have great problems with the official version e.g. how did the completely undamaged top 20 floors of the South Tower (the tower last hit, with minimal fires and the first to fall) topple to 30 degrees and then suddenly, in about 10 seconds, all the squillions of tons of concrete and steel of these floors become transformed into fine powder? This is blatantly consistent with the hypothesis of US-complicit explosive demolition (see: here ).

While Mainstream media continue to trumpet the judicially-untested, and reason-, chemistry-and physics-defying “official 9/11 version” of the endlessly lying Bush Administration (aka the OCT, the Official Conspiracy Theory), they ignore the horrendous human consequences of the subsequent Bush II War on Terror – 6 million post-invasion excess deaths as adjudged from the data of world’s best practice, expert UN and American demographers and medical epidemiologists. Indeed the Bush Asian Wars – the continuing US-backed Israeli Occupations (Occupied Lebanon and Occupied Palestine excess deaths 0.4 million), (the Bush I Gulf War (0.2 million Iraqi violent deaths), the Bush I-Clinton I-Bush II Sanctions War (1.7 million excess deaths), the Bush II Iraq War (2.0 million excess deaths), the Bush II Afghan War (3.2 million excess deaths) and the post-2001 world opiate drug deaths due to US restoration of the Taliban-destroyed opium industry (0.5 million deaths) now yields a total of 8 million deaths in the Bush Family Asian Holocaust.

A bottom-line measure of the consequences of human actions is provided by excess deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that should not have happened, excess mortality, avoidable mortality). Excess deaths can be violent (from bombs and bullets) or non-violent (due to deprivation). Analysis of the carnage of the Bush Asian Wars is given below (for detailed and documented analyses of excess deaths from violence and deprivation in these conflicts see “Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950”: http://mwcnews.net/Gideon-Polya/).

1. US-backed Apartheid Israeli occupation of Lebanon (much of the 1978-2006 period) [0.07 million] – 1978-2000 excess deaths in Lebanon totalled 60,000; about 10,000 violent killings by Israelis or Israeli surrogates occurred in the period 1978-2006.

2. US-backed Apartheid Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza (1967-2007) [0.31 million] – 1957-2007 excess deaths in the Occupied Palestinian Territory totalled about 0.3 million; about 10,000 Palestinians were violently killed (5,000 in the 2000-2007 Second Intifada period alone).

3. US Gulf War (1990-1991) [0.2 million] – an estimated 0.2 million violent Iraqi deaths due to the Bush I Gulf War.

4. US Sanctions War (1990-2003) [1.7 million] – an estimated 1.7 million Iraqi excess deaths occurred in the period 1990-2003 under the Bush I-Clinton I-Bush II Sanctions; the number of under-5 infant deaths in this period totalled 1.2 million (roughly 90% of these deaths were avoidable).

5. US Afghanistan War (2001-2007) [3.2 million] - excess deaths from UN Population Division data total 2.5 million; however excess deaths determined from under-5 infant deaths and dividing by 0.7 total 3.2 million (see 'Layperson’s Guide to Counting Iraq Deaths' on MWC News: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/5872/26/ ).

6. US Iraq War (2003-2007) [2.0 million] – 1.2 million post-invasion violent deaths (from the latest UK ORB survey) plus 0.8 million post-invasion non-violent excess deaths (from UNICEFunder-5 year old infant mortality data; see #5 above).

7. Global opiate drug-related deaths due to US actions [0.5 million] - 0.1 million people die each year around the world (0.6 million over 6 years) from opiate drug-related causes. Accordingly, about 0.5 million have died avoidably since 9/11 from opiate drug-related causes due to the UK-US restoration of the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry from about 5% of world market share in 2001 to a current 93% (see UN Office on Drugs and Crime, UNODC, 2007 World Drug Report).

We can thus assess the human cost of the Bush I and Bush II Asian Wars at 0.06 + 0.31 + 0.2 + 1.7 + 3.2 + 2.0 + 0.5 million = 7.97 million = 8 million.

A major contributor to the carnage in Occupied Palestine, Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan is the war criminal failure of the Occupiers to supply life-sustaining requisites as demanded unequivocally by the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Thus, according the World Health Organization (WHO), the “annual total per capita medical expenditure” permitted in Occupied Iraq by the US Coalition is $135 (2004) as compared to $19 (Occupied Afghanistan), $2,560 (UK), $3,123 (Australia) and $6,096 (the US).

The US Alliance Occupier countries are involved in both active genocide and passive genocide in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories - see the recently published “Lies, Deep Fries & Statistics” (editor. Robyn Williams, ABC Books, Sydney 2007; and especially “Australian Complicity in Iraq Mass Mortality” by Dr Gideon Polya) and “Body Count’ (G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 2007).

The Bush Asian Holocaust death toll of 8 million exceeds that of the Jewish Holocaust, the WW2 Nazi German-inflicted Jewish Genocide (6 million deaths, 5 million murdered and 1 million dying from deprivation) and that of the largely un-reported, “forgotten”, man-made, British-inflicted Bengali Holocaust (Bengal Famine, Bengali Genocide) of World War 2 British India (4 million excess deaths).

History ignored yields history repeated. Currently Mainstream media - non- reportage of the Bush Asian Holocaust (8 million victims) coupled with their Zionist- and Racist Bush-ite-beholden, Islamophobic, “terror hysterical” war-mongering is acutely threatening Iran with comparable devastation. Remote, peaceful Iran has a population of over 70 million (three quarters of whom are Women and Children).

Stand up for Humanity - please inform everyone you can before it is too late.

[venceremos]

He is a biochemist. How does that qualify him as an expert on war bodycount and definition of genocide?

Dr Gideon Polya, MWC News Chief political editor, published some 130 works in a 4 decade scientific career, most recently a huge pharmacological reference text "Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds" (CRC Press/Taylor & Francis, New York & London, 2003), and is currently writing a book on global mortality ---

Other articles by this author

[Re-born Jihadi]

Originally Posted by xris

just keep plying your hatred of the west you have plenty of buyers.

Its bizarre how you see Global Imperialism and its effects as plying hatred. No doubt the west can be accused of that tooo and with justification, but people like Xris, thankfully in a very small minority, cant see that. They prefer to have the bloodshed that this moral army, yes the brits and yanks, have on their hands.


Xris, if you cant see that you are in a very small minority, who think the west is doing wonders, occuying lands illegally, and murdering people in the process, then there really is no hope for you. Maybe you ought to try switching over to Sky channel 514 every now and then for some non-sugar coated news. Might do wonders for your view on life.....here and abroad.

[Re-born Jihadi]

Originally Posted by xris

not liking bush is a common cold ,repeating outlandish accusations is a cancer.being more responsible in you condemnation and you might have more believers.

Thats a cowardly way of brushing everything to one side when it comes to the west's current day misdemeanours yet when, as Bro Ven says, the Nazis did something, the Germans collectively are punished. Is there no fairness in your reasoning. Or do you prefer to castigate muslims (especially Iranian and Iraqi) like you do.


You say more "responsible"in condemnation. Are you when it comes to Iran. Are the soldiers who murder innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine. NO. They are not. But they have one loud mouthpiece in you who supports them blindly.

[purebob]

Originally Posted by venceremos

Dr Gideon Polya, MWC News Chief political editor, published some 130 works in a 4 decade scientific career, most recently a huge pharmacological reference text "Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds" (CRC Press/Taylor & Francis, New York & London, 2003), and is currently writing a book on global mortality ---

Other articles by this author

I still can't see how being an expert biologist makes Dr Polya anymore than a serious hobbyist in any other discipline.

I think you are somewhat blindly placing your faith in this biologists' data, and conclusions, sir. It appears to me that at least he has not applied the scientific method to it, as presented, for the reasons I outlined many posts ago.

I suspect we shall not agree. I have made my points, and you have rejected them. Such is the nature of debate and free will.

[venceremos]

Please go to the MWC website at http://mwcnews.net/content/view/17139/42 and ask him that question.

He will, I am sure, answer you in detail. If you have read the article above, you will see that he is a recognized scholar in many fields. If you are genuinely concerned to get a proper answer you should do this straightaway.

BTW, if you read his articles properly, you will see that he quotes all his sources of information in detail and these being, in themselves, authoritative.

Of course, despite all the information to the contrary and it being in the nature of free will, we are all entitled to continue to insist that the Earth is flat!

Finally, who would you rather believe, a genuine, compassionate scientist who deeply cares about humanity and all life on Earth or a corrupt, lying media which is totally embedded with the war criminals it serves?

[venceremos]

Seems I beat you to it. Here is Dr Polya's reply to all those who doubt or insist on refusing his credentials:

"Credentials in war deaths

Thanatology is the study of causes of death i.e. the cessation of life. Biochemistry is the study of the molecular basis of life, the chemical basis of life (and death).

I have had a 4 decade career as a biochemist in which I published over 100 scientific papers, overwhelmingly in refereed scientifc journals. The most recent scientific paper which I co-authored was on the complete chemical structure of a complex fungal toxin (2006).

In 2003 I published a huge pharmacological reference text entitled /"Biochemical targets of plant bioactive compounds. A pharmacological reference guide to sites of action and biological effects\" (860 pages, Taylor & Francis/CRC Press London & New York, 2003) (dealing in part with the structure, sources and modes of actions of thousands of toxic substances)(see: Biochemical targets).

That said, what was crucially important in assessing evidence for war-associated deaths and in particular excess deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not happen) was (1) recognizing that we are responsible for what we do and for what we do not do (the world's most prominent bioethicist, Professor Peter Singer, Princeton)(for details see my chapter in Lies, Deep Fries & Statistics, edited by Robyn Williams, ABC Books, Sydney, 2007 and also: Australian complicity in Iraq mass mortality; (2) that excess deaths can be violent (from bullets and bombs) and non-violent (through deprivation) but that either way the end result and the culpability is the same; (3) appreciating authoritative data sources (e.g. UN agencies, top medical epidemiologists published in peer-reviewed scientific papers as opposed to biased government and media assertions); (4) arithmetic and analytical competence as opposed to the Orwellian "2 plus 2 does not equal 4" that has become a media and politician reality in our world of propaganda and Bush-ite spin; (5) scepticism of current spin and preparedness to ask the questions and honestly attempt to find answers, notably upper estimates, to the question: how many people have died avoidably post-invasion in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories?

Actually a very simple, rough methodology for answering this question is outlined in my article "Layperson's Guide to counting Iraq deaths" (see MWC News at the link below or Layperson's guide to counting Iraq deaths. It turns out that for impoverished Third World countries under-5 year old infant deaths are about 0.7 of the excess deaths; UNICEF data (see: UNICEF tell you the annual under-5 infant deaths, estimate this over the post-invasion years and then divide by 0.7 to get an estimate of post-invasion avoidable non-violent deaths (a minimal estimate of post-invasion deaths that does not include violent deaths from bombs and bullets).

I trust that this is helpful."

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/17139/42

If you are still not satisfied or wish to argue the toss over Dr Polya's authority to discuss matters of Thanatology as a biochemist, I can only suggest that you do so at the link provided above.

To date, only one scientist has questioned his figures publicly and Dr Polya has dealt with that query to his advantage (see MWC thread).

If you have any residual doubts, please take them up directly with him.

I am quite satisfied with Dr Polya's figures and credentials. If you are not then either you should take up the issue with him directly or, if not, refrain from speculative comments which you refuse --when you are free to do it-- to take up directly with the very individual concerned.

I have done as much as I can to answer your questions and to satisfy the curiosity of readers to this Forum.

[CANTANATRIX]

Originally Posted by venceremos

Cantanatrix. It's unbelievable that you persist! But as your last post was written in a more reasonable tone I acknowledge that and answer it.

The above quote clearly indicates that Dr Polya considers what he calls the Asian Holocaust to EXCEED the Nazi-driven genocide as well as the British-driven genocide in Bengal.

He also describes a Holocaust Denial; "driven by [a] lying, racist, Bush-ite mainstream media."

Given that, how can you still deny that effectual genocide has not been committed against a predominantly semitic people?


Incredible! Six million deaths of (semitic) Jews is genocide because it is ideologically driven. But 8 million deaths of (semitic) Muslims is not because it is driven by imperialist interests!

Genocide is genocide is genocide, for whatever reason and by whichever circumstance it is carried out.

The [b] majority[b] of these estimated 8 million deaths are a by-product of warfare rather than a direct intentional result. And another point has to be made that even deaths by direct violence-in Iraq and Afghanistan deaths caused by militias, insurgent groups, bandits and the like out number those killed in coalition air strikes and by ground forces.

Carbombs claim many more lives per day than anything else, and whilst you can attribute the invasion as a 'trigger' for such action you cannot say it is the coalition's intention or desire for such bombings to occur.

Compare to say the holocaust where it was undeniably the Nazi regimes intent to wipe out the Jews in the territories they controlled- in a systematic planned manner once you get to the 'final solution' phase.

This brings me back to the point of intentions.

At university I did a presentation on genocide, and then like now I looked at the UN definition and saw that in was unsatisfactory and flawed.

So in discussing it I came up with my own definition. This consisted of 'intentional' and 'unintentional' genocide, wit the 'intentional' genocide also covering 'attempted' genocide (as if you try and wipe out a people it is still genocide even if you didn't succeed!).

Intentional genocide is obviously when there is deliberate intent to wipe out an entire race-or at least all the members you can reach to extermiante (i.e Rwanda, Holocaust).

So what is 'unintentional genocide' I hear you ask?

Well to put it simply its where one's actions leads unintentionally to genocide (simple eh).

Take my previous example of the Spanish in the New World. Although the Spaniards intended to kill many natives, take their resources an dcontrol their territory they were not intent of exterminating them.

However mainly disease, but mass use of slave labour etc. ended up in the populations of central and South America being decimated to a tiny fraction of their formal levels. Some estimate a 90-95% popualtion reduction.

This though happened over time under different rulers and different expeditions. It was not the result of a 'master plan'.

Nonetheless it is still fair to cal it a genocide as the South Americans were nearly wiped out by the Spaniards actions.

So lets turn to the 'Arab genocide' that you cite-how does it compare?
On the surface there are clear similarites, military action and conquest results in many deaths from by-product factions such as poverty disease and instability.

However even if this 8-million figure is accurate it is not elligible for 'unintentional genocide'. Why? Because although 8 million is a lot of people, the arabs are in no way in danger of being wiped out. To be genocide the race has to be in danger of extinction and this is clearly not the case with Arabs.

To your other point although the Jewish figure is lower for the holocaust it is [b]intentional [b]genocide and the Jewish population as a whole took a very high percent of casualties from the holocaust. The Nazis intended to wipe out the Jews where they could.

A parallel to the Nazi genocide against the Jews would be the Bosnian genocide against Muslims.

Although wars across the arab world have taken their toll, the toll is not so high that say the arab populations in Iraq, Afghanistan or even Judea/Palestine is under threat from being wiped out (although in Israel worrying measures are taken and being taken against the arab Palestinians the population is still growing and indeed out-growing the Israeli).

So what we have in the Middle East is a horrific loss of human life, the catalyst of which is warfare-but it is not a genocide in my view.

[xris]

ill not go down the road of questioning every stupid statement made in this report because anyone with any sense can see they are properganda with a few truths thrown in to give it credability.

[venceremos]

So what we have in the Middle East is a horrific loss of human life, the catalyst of which is warfare-but it is not a genocide in my view.

Why do you refuse to take up the issue with him directly? Are you afraid that he might make you look ridiculous? I can sympathise with Xris's reluctance to do so because of his literacy problems (mis-spellings etc) but you have no such excuse.

Go ahead, take it up with Dr Polya! ;-)

The [b] majority[b] of these estimated 8 million deaths are a by-product of warfare rather than a direct intentional result.

Re-read Dr Polya's answer:

That said, what was crucially important in assessing evidence for war-associated deaths and in particular excess deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not happen) was (1) recognizing that we are responsible for what we do and for what we do not do

Finally, 'intentional' genocide is a very grey area. When the USUK used white phosphorous, cluster-bombs, depleted uranium and thermobaric weapons it knew that this would kill a huge number of civilians. Not only immediately but over a prolonged period of time. So the use of such WMD, being intentional, resulted in a huge number of deaths described as "collateral losses". The use of that phrase is a nice way of escaping the accusation that the USUK premeditatedly and intentionally killed and is killing a vast number of Iraqis and Afghanis.

So we can play with words until Doomsday. But it is a meaningless and deceptive exercise. What is real is the mass murder that has been perpetrated and, as Dr Polya says, in recognizing our responsibility for all manner of deaths by going to war.

In the 6 Million estimate for the Jewish Holocaust, one-sixth of deaths was caused not by execution but by deprivation. As you have acknowledged above the two forms of death are a direct result of war and genocide.

[xris]

Originally Posted by venceremos

Why do you refuse to take up the issue with him directly? Are you afraid that he might make you look ridiculous? I can sympathise with Xris's reluctance to do so because of his literacy problems (mis-spellings etc) but you have no such excuse.

Go ahead, take it up with Dr Polya! ;-)


Re-read Dr Polya's answer:

because i dont always spell properly you have the audacity to say thats a reason to believe your properganda crap you have proved beyond my wildest dreams what a bigoted fool you are.at least i dont continualy paste others words or look for the spell button before i post.

[CANTANATRIX]

Originally Posted by venceremos

Why do you refuse to take up the issue with him directly? Are you afraid that he might make you look ridiculous? I can sympathise with Xris's reluctance to do so because of his literacy problems (mis-spellings etc) but you have no such excuse.

Go ahead, take it up with Dr Polya! ;-)

Eh? What are you talking about? I don't have any issues with Dr. Polya-I was debating with you and others in this thread.

I would never ask someone to 'go talk to George Bush' over problems they have with the Iraq war so it puzzles me why you are so eager for me to talk to this guy.

I mean does every book critic write to the author of the work they criticise?

Nope-they put reviews up. I've given my opinion of his work that I've seen and of the issues at hand right here. And like I've already said he does raise a valid point about the loss of human life that occurs as a by-product of violence.

If you think he would make a good guest speaker for the forums here give him
a bell and ask the mods and I'd be happy to discuss the issues here.

However I'm sure Dr. Polya with his extensive qualifications in biochemistry probably has better things to do like give lectures and write more books than debate the meaning of genocide with some randomer from the Internet.

[iraniboy]

Originally Posted by xris

...what a bigoted fool you are

Xris refrain from personal insults. Thank you

[venceremos]

because i dont always spell properly you have the audacity to say thats a reason to believe your properganda crap

No, what I said is that I can understand your reluctance to email Dr Polya because of your literacy problems. Using the Spell Button, in the case of those who are so hampered, is not such a bad idea.

[venceremos]

Eh? What are you talking about? I don't have any issues with Dr. Polya-I was debating with you and others in this thread.

Well, actually you do but may not have noticed. Dr Polya, too, describes the Muslim Holocaust as genocide. Go back and re-read the article of his published above.

The US Alliance Occupier countries are involved in both active genocide and passive genocide in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories - see the recently published “Lies, Deep Fries & Statistics” (editor. Robyn Williams, ABC Books, Sydney 2007; and especially “Australian Complicity in Iraq Mass Mortality” by Dr Gideon Polya) and “Body Count’ (G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 2007).

'Purebob' queried Polya's credentials and on that occasion, for the sake of other readers of this forum, I went to his website and elicited a reply. I published that reply and suggested that, in future, any further queries about Dr Polya should be addressed directly to him.

I have said the same thing to you on several occasions but you stubbornly refuse the invitation. Polya may be an eminent scientist but he's a very fair man and open to debate what he says. You or anyone are free to question him as I have done.

Instead you belittle yourself as "a randomer from the Internet"! Well, you may well be that but, as I say, Dr Polya is happy to take questions from randomers as well!

So, go ahead and put your questions to the source, Dr Polya, as clearly you have little time for the messenger, myself.