Complain to Newsnight for slander

[Showkat]

Salaams All

Please complain about the disgraceful Newsnight slander against hizb ut Tahrir and forward to all of your friends. People from outside Uk read the threads on here before commenting please.Jzk khair in advance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight...commentsanchor

[outsider]

Looks like the comments all agree. A very bad hatchet job.

I wonder if the hizb are going to take legal action.

[FractionMan]

Give a sample complaint letter and I'll do it

[one_amatullah]

Paxman says Muslims are "having their minds poisoned". The only poison is from the BBC.

Click 'watch latest programme' to watch Newsnight online:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ht/default.stm

Newsnight Feedback form:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ht/4969804.stm

BBC Complaints form:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

[BrotherNur]

That documentry was a farce, and who better to make this then the BBC, as far as i know HT are nothing like that, and the report was just a joke, making some few reconstructions and accusing them of something,

and its not the first time this has happend, its a systematic demonisation of the muslim community

first it was

MCB - Muslim Council of Britain being accused of being terrorists

then it was a charity org!

Interpal - again being accused of similar things

Now its HT

i hate to say this but next could well be MPAC!

there trying to silence the muslims, and what better way to do it the spread lies and demonise muslims even further!

[one_amatullah]

Statement by Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain to BBC File on 4 and BBC Newsnight:

We are a non-violent organisation that has worked for over 10 years in Britain. For the avoidance of any doubt we do not advocate or otherwise promote the use of violence or any criminal activity against civilians in the UK or anywhere else in the world.

We have not been informed with any detail of the allegations to be made against us in this programme. From the scant information that has been provided:-

1. Our members attempted to stop the fight between two gangs outside Croydon Mosque in September 2006. Our attempts to do so were recognised by the local community, the police and doctors who treated the injured. To suggest that we were somehow involved in this violence is wholly wrong.

2. We have never encouraged criminality in any shape or form and have spoken out against criminality. Part of our work is to persuade the youth to turn their back on the life of crime.

3. The radicalisation of Muslims, particularly young Muslims, is the product of their anger at the government’s unjust and brutal war in Iraq. To suggest that Muslim organisations such as ours, rather than the government’s policies, have created anger within the Muslim community is disingenuous and irresponsible. It is organisations like ours that channel that anger into non violent political activism in an attempt to repair the damage caused by government policies.

14th November 2006

source: http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/index.ph...484&Itemid=112


Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain commences legal proceedings against the BBC:

London, UK, November 14 – Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, a non-violent Islamic political group, has today instructed lawyers to commence legal proceedings against the BBC following the broadcast of defamatory allegations on BBC Radio 4's PM programme, File on 4 programme and BBC Newsnight. [...]

Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain wholly reserves the right to commence defamation proceedings or otherwise against other media outlets which repeat defamatory allegations about the organisation. Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain also states on the record that it will exhaust all legal avenues to prevent these politically motivated, fictitious allegations being used by the authorities to silence the organisation's peaceful political work.

The full statement issued by Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain is available from http://www.hizb.org.uk

Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain has also issued a dossier of evidence that disproves the allegations made by the BBC about the organisation's activities in South London. The dossier, including letters from leading community figures, proves that Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain has been at the forefront of confronting criminality in the community.

An investigation by Newsnight in March 2004 found that Hizb ut-Tahrir activists were working in the community to tackle the problems of criminality and illicit drugs.

source: http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/index.ph...482&Itemid=112

[one_amatullah]

Newsnight: A response from Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain
A decisive refutation of allegations made by BBC Radio 4 File on Four and Newsnight. Download here: http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/images/P..._newsnight.pdf


A response to specific allegations made by Newsnight:

The following is a detailed response to the specific allegations made by Newsnight. Please note: Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain was not given any of these allegations in advance and so was not aware of the specific claims until the broadcast of Newsnight.

Allegation: Hizb ut-Tahrir radicalises young Muslims to become potential terrorists.

Fact: The BBC does not bring any evidence whatsoever to suggest that Hizb ut-Tahrir is encouraging Muslims to participate in violence or terrorism. Even the fictitious allegations in the programme are related to criminality and not terrorism. The programme brings no evidence whatsoever to prove that Hizb ut-Tahrir encourages terrorism.

Hizb ut-Tahrir's condemnation of terrorism is a matter of record. The radicalisation of Muslims, particularly young Muslims, is the product of their anger at the government’s unjust and brutal war in Iraq. To suggest that Muslim organisations such as ours, rather than the government’s policies, have created anger within the Muslim community is disingenuous and irresponsible. It is organisations like ours that channel that anger into non-violent political activism in an attempt to repair the damage caused by government policies.

Allegation: Hizb ut-Tahrir makes recruits commit crimes to test their loyalty.

Fact: The BBC does not bring any evidence that would stand up in even a kangaroo court to prove this allegation. The BBC does not name or show the person making the vague allegations. While, the BBC may argue that the 'mole' is worried about his safety, why has the BBC not named the others who supposedly aided and abetted this individual in committing such a crime? Why does the BBC not mention the location of the crime? Where are the witnesses to this crime? Why has the matter not been reported to the police so that they can apprehend the alleged criminals?

In South London, members of Hizb ut-Tahrir have been instrumental in stopping violence between gangs and this has been recognised by the local community who have given written statements attesting to this. We have placed these statements on our website.

In a letter to the Attorney General in March 2006, we asked whether there was any evidence whatsoever to suggest that Hizb ut-Tahrir had violated existing legislation or proposed legislation. No such evidence has been provided to date.

If Hizb ut-Tahrir was linked to criminality why would ACPO argue that it knew of "no intelligence to justify a Hizb ut-Tahrir ban"? In July 2006, Bob Beckley, the lead spokesman on community policing ad counter-terrorism issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) told the Financial Times: "I see no reason why HT should be banned on the basis of available evidence. I haven’t seen anything suggesting they have apologised for or glorified terrorism. I might not like their views but that doesn’t mean that they are criminal and that is an important distinction we have to make."

A Newsnight programme in March 2004 investigated how Hizb ut-Tahrir was trying to tackle the problem of crime and drugs in the Muslim community and wider society. Not surprisingly, the BBC make no mention of this now.

Allegation: Hizb ut-Tahrir teaches young Muslims that non-Muslims are worthless.

Fact: Hizb ut-Tahrir's views on the manner in which Muslims should interact with wider society are on record. Our events are regularly addressed by and attended by non-Muslims. Following a Home Office consultation entitled "Strength in Diversity", Hizb ut-Tahrir presented a document outlining how Muslims should seek to foster cohesion in wider society.

These are some key extracts from that document:

"We believe that Muslims adhering to the sublime values of Islam can lead to harmony between Muslims and non-Muslims and the improving of community relations, especially in northern towns characterised by polarised communities."

"Muslims must maintain the security of property of their fellow citizens. Therefore, it is forbidden to steal, defraud, embezzle or deceive others. To the extent, for example, it is prohibited to travel on public transport without paying for the ticket."

"Muslims must not violate the blood of their fellow citizens. It is forbidden to cause them any harm. This includes the prohibition of causing fear and terror."

Allegation: Patrick Mercer, Shadow Homeland Security Minister, says Hizb ut-Tahrir is 'subversive' and should be banned.

Fact: This is unfortunately yet another example of a politician playing politics with security and another flip-flop from the Conservative Party. The Conservatives opposed the introduction of the term 'glorification' to the Terrorism Act 2006, including the widening of the grounds for proscription. Indeed, at Prime Minister's Questions on February 15th 2006, William Hague, standing in for David Cameron, described the government's measures as "a press release law to catch the headlines". In an article in the Sunday Telegraph on February 12th 2006, David Cameron, described the proposals as "confused legislation that misses the target".

Over the summer recess, David Cameron, exchanged views in writing with Jamal Harwood, Chairman of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, over the situation in Lebanon. The letter from Mr Cameron said that he was "most grateful for your comments on relationships between Western governments and the Muslim world". A copy of the letter has been placed on our website. In the Sunday Times on November 12th 2006, David Cameron said that Hizb ut-Tahrir should be banned, without providing any justification.

The only argument that Mr Mercer offers, is that Tony Blair said that he wanted to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir in August 2005.

However, what he does not mention is that since then the government has failed to prevent any case, evidence, grounds, reasons or justification. This confirms our view that there is no case, evidence, grounds, reasons or justification to proscribe our organisation.

Allegation: Tony McNulty, Home Office Minister, said Hizb ut-Tahrir was "currently under review and if we think we need to take action it will be proscribed".

Fact: We wrote to Mr McNulty in August 2006 after his comments in Parliament in July 2006 when he said that "There are any number of other organisations, among which I would include Hizb ut-Tahrir, that we keep under constant review and are seriously concerned about." We have placed the letter on our website and have not received any substantive reply to the issues raised in our correspondence.

source: http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/index.ph...488&Itemid=112

[BHAI1]

Originally Posted by Showkat

Salaams All

Please complain about the disgraceful Newsnight slander against hizb ut Tahrir and forward to all of your friends. People from outside Uk read the threads on here before commenting please.Jzk khair in advance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight...commentsanchor

plenty of slander ,assumptions and backbiting here..astaghfirullah

classic example..of why we need to get our own house in order first

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=18662
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=18658

yes... will do much for unity when they read some of the stuff posted here

[BHAI1]

Originally Posted by BHAI1

plenty of slander ,assumptions and backbiting here..astaghfirullah

classic example..of why we need to get our own house in order first

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=18662
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=18658

yes... will do much for unity when they read some of the stuff posted here

will our brothers be pleased with our conduct,assumptions slander and backbiting.

like i say good deeds are relatively easy to do.holding on to the rewards of them..thats where the challenge lies..

and where ..unity?..or innocent till proven guilty ..for that matter?

[shams]

Assalaam'ualaykum,#

As someone who studied with hizbut tahrir for some time, I can say :

1. HT remember, the attack and slander you had recenty is not because you are upon the truth, you and many other Muslims have been slandered to, so don't think its special treament that you are getting because you are upon the sunnah.

2. You deserved this slap on the face, this is because you do not think or work for the sake of Islaam, rather then educate this Ummah and give them dawah, your dawah is tinged with the fact that people have to join HT ( and this is where you fail).

YOU KNOW VERY WELL, THAT YOU DO TRY AND RECRUIT THE 'YOOF' ,

recruiting the 'YOOF' has backfired on you big time,

You specialise in recruiting loners, weirdos, YOOF ( rudeboys) and foreign pakistani internNational students ( thinking that you are gonna get some kind of nusra! yeah wake up, your just a bunch of rafidah loving, muatizilah, pseudo intellectuals from soas and ucl, so much for being international!) .

And whats funny in all this, is that these international students start turning again you, even coming newsnight...lol!.... all the mangoes in your party are turning against you....so much for pakistan and the quest for khilafah aye?

You deserve this slap on your face, because instead of focusing upon the issues of this ummah, you focused upon partisanship, trying to recruit everyone to your boring 2 hour weekly halaqahs, from unqualified people who can't even probably wipe themselves.

3. And another thing, don't blame these members coming on TV dissing you, you had it coming, if their so modernist, then tell me, how did your 2 hour weekly 'culture' let them down.

4. Mr Taji Mustapha and Abdul waheed, why don't we see you handing out leaflets and getting stick from the media on the streets, why is it you don't do this but rather get your footsoldiers to do the dirty work.

5. HT are always quick to disassociate themselves, as we saw on newsnight from the the guy in the hood, and OBM et al, they did this before, when Imran waheed on SKY said in a interview that he has 'no briefings' upon OBM.......

And some salafi guy responded saying that OBM was the president of HT i.e the emir of HT in Britian at one stage...which is a well known fact....

I don't agree with OBM or HT, but still, why are HT so shy of this fact?

So oh HT! so much for your saying and quoting hadeeth about standing united.......we know that you will not even stand up for your own affiliates let alone anyone else
and we also know very well about your U turns on voting, such as saying its okay to vote in local elections, that you can march with non Muslims like stop the war......such as your pretend word twists upon the aqeedah, your new views on how we should have Muslim schools etc, though your were an enemy against this.... all this is known and it one thing.....though change is a good thing such as marching with non Muslims etc......you only did this out of pressure, to save yourself from a ban, and it also shows the lemming partisan dont think for yourself attitude and it highlights the fact that you people will not stand to your principles, though you accuse everyone of coping out.

Dear HT'b', my fellow ex comrades LOL.....YOU GOT BUSTED BIG TIME AND MAY THIS TEACH YOU A LESSON, TO FOCUS UPON THE QUALITY OF YOUR SHABAB AND NOT THE QUANTITY.

And why are you on this forum grovelling? why don't you do your usual petition signing ( hey I thought petitions were useless)

[Showkat]

Walaykum salaams Shams

JZk for your interesting views, I am sure that u will be rewarded for your efforts to refute and advice your brothers, but please brother try and use diplomatic and Islamic adhab when disagreeing with anyone, Muslim on non-Muslim.

I wont comment further because everyone who reads your post can decide and form an opinion about you. Although u appear to be guilty of lacking manners and respect something which u accuse HT of. But then again i suppose HT is to blame for not culturing you adequetly.

Also these media attacks on MCB, Interpal and now Hizb ut Tahrir seem to be an attack upon Islam, but then again people who are blinded by hatred and anger will fail to see this and join the non-Muslims in ther crusade against Islam.

May Allah swt curse and humiliate any Muslim who works against Islam and strengthen and guide every single Muslim and Islamic political party and organisation which is working to make Allah's word the highest.

Ameen

[shams]

Thanks for your post brother,

Well yes, maybe I was cultured incorrectly, but the problem here is that so were many others, if you want names of my mushrafs, I can do that......although that would humiliate you as they are senior members.

Yes and may Allah curse those munafiqeen, who while saying they are working for Allah's Deen, they are destroying it within, and causing the Ummah to disunite.

And may Allah strengthen this ummah, not just the political organisations, and may Allah rid of those so called political organisations, who play via a impermissible type of politics, namely: 'dirty politics'

And lastly, you haven't been taught by your 'mushraf' that cursing isn't allowed on Muslims have you?
Didn't you even know the basics? And hence prove my point?
This curse could fall back upon you, you can never curse Muslims, or to my knowldge even individual kafirs, your playing with very dangerous words here my simple minded friend.

[plimfix01]

Newsnight is BBC television's flagship daily news magazine. I was therefore keen to watch Richard Watson’s investigation of Hizb ut-Tahir broadcast earlier this week, billed as part of a larger feature “looking into the radicalisation of British Muslim youth … in mosques, universities and on the internet”. This is not the beeb’s first interrogation of HT in the UK. A broadcast in August 2003 provoked a similar degree of controversy, although I suspect the growth in Muslim cyberactivism over the last few years has ensured that the Muslim response to this week's broadcast has gathered momentum that much faster. And rightly so.

Radical Islamist organisations like Hizb ut-Tahir are renowned for attracting University campus fruitcakes. When I was at University (1989-92), it was Wahhabism that dominated the mad fringe of ISOC and some of the extreme views I heard expressed by students at that time were genuinely disturbing. The core of the most outspoken group were all men and shared a house together. They suffered from a degree of groupthink that was very difficult to challenge. Some were members of groups such as Jama’ati Islami, but in no way were they representative of these organisations. Many were profoundly ignorant about Islam, and I felt some – away from home for the first time - were using their faith as a means to act out teen rebellion fantasies. In doing so, I suspect they were no different from other students experimenting with lifestyles and belief systems. I doubt their ‘zealotry’ survived graduation.

Hizb ut-Tahir are probably justified in refuting the allegations made by the BBC. More worrying is the BBC response by Peter Baron, which strikes me as perpetuating some very dubious assumptions evident in the original programme. One is the suggestion that Muslims, particularly young Muslims, are a ‘threat within’. This is implied in the allegation that the testimonies of the four people who appeared on the programme contradict HT’s “publicly stated position”. Which positions they contradict is not clear – I don’t imagine HT publically state that its members should never commit street robbery or threaten an Imam with murder. Most Muslims don’t need reminding what the Qur’an has to say about these things! Rather, the implication is that HT are a ‘secretive’ organisation (exposed by heroic investigative journalists) and hence a danger to ‘British society’. Indeed, the tale of Omar Bakri Muhammad, now living in Lebanon, was spliced into programme precisely to emphasise that this danger is – as always - linked to “foreign” threats.

Some bloggers have confused the Newsnight investigation of HT and the story about Omar Bakri, assuming both were linked to Vigil. On reviewing the broadcast, I cannot find any suggestion that the HT investigation was instigated or undertaken by Vigil, an organisation which claims links to the Israeli Defence Force. Whether Vigil really is a global network of “former intelligence officers, anti-terrorist operatives and proven private terror trackers”, or whether the whole thing is the fantasy of “so called secret agent” Glen Jenvey is unclear. Arguably, the use of evidence from Vigil calls into question the quality of the journalism surrounding this feature. I also share concerns about the programmes intent.

I am not, as Peter Baron has suggested of other complaints, claiming Newsnight pursed an agenda to discredit Hizb ut-Tahrir specifically. This impression was no doubt gained by the way in which the political/religious stance of Hizb ut-Tahir was problematized without discussion. For example, they were presented - like all radicals - as anti-western, rather than critical of global Euro-American culture. Really, if Newsnight wanted to make a claim that HT are indeed corrupt, the programme makers should have identified clear links between any alleged criminal activities undertaken by HT members, the wider (or central) organisation and the HT positions it highlighted.

In fact, this programme did nothing of the sort. Rather, it exploited the alleged activities of a small number of Muslims, confounded with an issue specific to universities, in order to reiterate the slander that some organised Muslims (with global links) are a malign fifth column, whose views and deviant activities are unquestioningly inimical to British norms. This is extraordinarily unfair, but is generally considered sufficient when attacking British Muslims these days. It is also in keeping with the narrow, negative framework within which Muslims in Britain are represented by the mainstream media. So even if you are not particularly sympathetic to HT – and I am not – you should complain. It was HT this week. Next time, it could be your mosque or your organisation.

[big al]

Hizb ut-Tahir are renowned for attracting University campus fruitcakes. When I was at University (1989-92), it was Wahhabism

Prove it, since you seem to know so much, but cannot come out with anything but slander.

In fact, this programme did nothing of the sort. Rather, it exploited the alleged activities of a small number of Muslims, confounded with an issue specific to universities, in order to reiterate the slander that some organised Muslims (with global links) are a malign fifth column, whose views and deviant activities are unquestioningly inimical to British norms.

Oh really!! Like Maxwell spying for israel, what about the pensioners money that the previous government refused to track down. The standard hate speech of what the so called "British" media who is as British as their non British owners. So what are the "norms" he talks about then?

[BHAI1]

Originally Posted by BHAI1

plenty of slander ,assumptions and backbiting here..astaghfirullah

classic example..of why we need to get our own house in order first

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=18662
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=18658

yes... will do much for unity when they read some of the stuff posted here

order.....house...own...anyone?

[utbah]

I'm suprised they haven't come against MPACUK yet. Newsnight show was utterly disgusting though. The Brother was really shocked at the allegations made.

Even I know Hizb ut Tahrir doesn't promote violance. They couldn't even hurt a fly. If they were violant why didn't the people of Uzbek turn the demo into a violant confrontation?

[Ali Abdullah]

I was at university from 1988 to 1991 and the IsSoc became a battleground between the Salafis (JIMAS) and HT. In the end the Arabs (Ihkwan basically) fixed things to get them both out!!

[big al]

Originally Posted by Ali Abdullah

I was at university from 1988 to 1991 and the IsSoc became a battleground between the Salafis (JIMAS) and HT. In the end the Arabs (Ihkwan basically) fixed things to get them both out!!

Our ISOC was run by a bunch of people whose response was stick your head in the ground & ignore it while I was at uni many moons ago.