Barelwi and Deobandi

[TahirKhan]

Medievalist said: Take british india. Ahmad Ridha the ArchBarelwi issued fataawah that its haraam to fight the british - explain that one to us.


You have made the mistake of mixing Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan with Imam Ahmad Ridha Khan. You should apologise for slandering a great scholar of Islam.

Some information for you about Imam Ahmad Ridha Khan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_R...m_other_groups

In 1905 A., D. Imam Ahmad Raza visited Holy places in Hejaz for performing pilgrimage. During this period he prepared a draft document entitled AlMotamad AlMustanad (The Reliable Proofs) for presentation to the eminent Ulamas of Mecca and Madina. Imam Ahmad Raza collected scholarly opinions of the Ulama of Hejaz and compiled them in a compendium written in Arabic language with the title, Husam al Harmain(The Sword of two sanctuaries),a monumental work containing the thirty-three Ulamas’ thirty -four verdicts(20 Meccan and 13 Medinese Ulama). All of them gave their verdicts based on the consensus, that the beliefs of these deviant scolars were blasphemous and tantamount to apostasy.

http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Imam_raza_ahmed_khan.htm

An article by Gibril Fouad Haddad. Please see the following section refuting the old Deoband scholars who played dangerous games:

In page 51 of "Baraahin Qatia", Khalil Ahmed Ambetwi says: "After looking at the condition of Satan and the Angel of Death, it can be gained that they possess a great depth of knowledge and this has been proven from Quran and Ahadith. To prove such knowledge for Fakhre Aalam (Muhammad ) without proof from the Quran and Ahadith, but from common sense, is a false thought. If, to do so is not a Shirk, then in which category of faith does it fall?"

In page 6 of "Hifzul Imaan", (Printed in Mazahirul Uloom), Ashraf Ali Thanvi says: "If Knowledge of the Unseen refers to partial knowledge, then what speciality is there in Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Such knowledge is possessed by Zaid and Amr (any Tom, Dick and Harry), every child, insane people and all types of animals."

In page 5 of "Tahzeerun Naas", (Published in Makhtaba Fayz Nazd Jami Masjid Deoband), Qasim Nanotwi says: "Prophets are superior to their followers only in Knowledge, but in good deeds, followers sometimes seem equal and occasionally even become superior to them."

In Part 2, page 12 of "Fatawa Rasheedia", (Published Makhtaba Rasheedia Jami Masjid Delhi), Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi says: "The word 'Rahmatul lil A'lameen' is not a speciality of Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). But other Prophets, Saints and great Ulema are also cause for mercy unto the worlds, even though Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the highest of them all. Therefore, to use this word on others, is also permissible."

I doubt the Brelvi bashing in this thread will cease but some of you people are clearly ignorant of the issues between Brelvi's and Deobandi's and seem intent instead of spreading misinformation and indulge in backbiting - a major sin.

[ma_dharra]

Brailwis are heavily involved in grave worship. i have never come across a people that are so shirky. they literally ask OF people. They make statements like "ya abdul qadir jilani help me with such and such" theres a million of them in luton.

as far as deobandis are concerned not all deobandis are bad... the taliban were deobandi but they severly dislike sufi deobandis (which there are alot of).

[imaan4success]

Originally Posted by TahirKhan

Medievalist said: Take british india. Ahmad Ridha the ArchBarelwi issued fataawah that its haraam to fight the british - explain that one to us.


You have made the mistake of mixing Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan with Imam Ahmad Ridha Khan. You should apologise for slandering a great scholar of Islam.

Some information for you about Imam Ahmad Ridha Khan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_R...m_other_groups



http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Imam_raza_ahmed_khan.htm

An article by Gibril Fouad Haddad. Please see the following section refuting the old Deoband scholars who played dangerous games:



I doubt the Brelvi bashing in this thread will cease but some of you people are clearly ignorant of the issues between Brelvi's and Deobandi's and seem intent instead of spreading misinformation and indulge in backbiting - a major sin.

Bro, maybe you should have read the following from one of the same sites you used above for your info:

"British Empire, Khilafat, and Jihad

From the period of the Crimean War to 1878, Britain encouraged a pro-Turkish policy for Muslim India. Aĥmed Riđā's stance followed this line. In one of his famous works, Tahzib Al-Akhlaq, he is on record as praising the reforms in the Ottoman Dominions.

He rejected the spiritual jurisdiction of the Ottoman Khilafah based on the accepted classical Sunni position that the caliph must be from Quraysh, the tribe of the Prophet to which the Ottomans did not belong. He held the view that the real Khilafah had ended with the first four caliphs (Khulafa al-Rashidun) and protested the ban imposed by Sultan Abd Al-Hamid II against discussions on this subject, which was entirely in accordance with Sunni traditional thought. Aĥmed Riđā rejected the jihad against the British occupation of India since in his view, British India was not Dar al Harb (an abode of war), and refused to cooperate with Hindus and other Muslims who used various other means of protest against the British Empire which were against the Shariah in his view. His stance was based on the principal that one must not cooperate with people of innovation in doctrine ahl ul bid'ah and thus disobey the Shariah for political gain. Personally, it appears he did not accept the jurisdiction of the British; an indication of this was his habit of affixing postage stamps with the head of the Queen upside down and his refusal to attend British court hearings."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Raza_Khan

According to the above, he clearly stood against the khalif of the time (a fellow muslim ruler) and was in support of the british. I took it from one of the same sources you referred to for your info.

My advice to you bro is, please drop this subject. Ahmed Raza Barelwi Khan can be just as easily if not more easily attacked than any other scholar you choose to attack.

[TahirKhan]

Dropped.
I saw the first two pages of this thread without reading the last few pages.. and you still had to make one final jive about A'la Hadrat, may Allah forgive us all in this blessed month.

[imaan4success]

Originally Posted by TahirKhan

Dropped.
I saw the first two pages of this thread without reading the last few pages.. and you still had to make one final jive about A'la Hadrat, may Allah forgive us all in this blessed month.

I wasn't trying to attack Ahmad Raza Barelwi Khan, that was not my intention. My objectice was to merely make a point, that we can all attack scholars including Raza Khan. So my aim was to try and get you to drop the attacks you were making. Alhamdulillah i'm glad you did. It is best we leave these issues and at least let the Ulama sort it out, not ignorant people like ourselves.

May Allah swt guide us all, ameen.

wa salaam.

[Unaiza]

Mash'Allah brothers, this is what the month of Ramadan is all about. May Allah continue to guide you both, and make this a fruitful Ramadan.