ACT NOW! Last chance to stop the extradition of Babar Ahmad
ACT NOW! LAST CHANCE TO STOP THE EXTRADITION OF BABAR AHMAD
CagePrisoners calls on all its supporters to write to the DPP, Keir Starmer, regarding the case of Babar Ahmad
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EMERGENCY PROTEST IN SUPPORT OF BABAR AHMAD AND TALHA AHSAN
WHEN: Friday 5th October, 10.00am-1.00pm
ADDRESS: Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Nearest Tube: Holborn/Temple
The cases of Babar Ahmad and Talha Ahsan are currently being heard before the High Court. Their lawyers are seeking a judicial review of the CPS decision refusing to allow the private prosecution to proceed.
The verdict is expected on this Friday morning.
If the judge rules against them, there will be no further appeal and their extradition to the US is likely to take immediate effect.
We are calling for all our supporters to join us Friday outside the Royal Court of Justice, from 10.00am in solidarity with the families and to send a message that the ruling is of significant public interest.
Try to take a day off and give your solidarity and support so a message can be sent to the Judges that their decision is being watched by the community and public at large.
These men and their families are in need of our support today. If it was your brother, husband or son would you be complacent? Wouldn't you want as many people to turn up as possible?
Act now before it is too late - tomorrow it could be you.
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I didn't know much about this man so, before I made comment, I decided to spend a few hours looking at him and his history.
The charges all relate to possible crimes in the UK, only technically in the US, so my first reaction was, while he's clearly a nasty little mess of a man, he should be tried in the UK.
After all, his crime seems to have been raising funds for the Taliban in Afghanistan who are fighting an invading force.
Much as I consider the Taliban to be a bunch of stone age morons, they aren't terrorists for fighting an invading army.
There is also the question of the US navy plans in his possession. That may well be reason to take him to the US but the crime (If it is) was still in Britain and the US military puts itself in the firing line because of its government's stupidity.
Then I started to find more. Most seems pretty loose but Najibullah Zazi seems to have been radicalised by Babar Ahmad.
Zazi, as you probably know, was out to murder civilians on a large scale but was nabbed because a right thinking imam at a local mosque, shopped him before he managed.
Then to Saajid Muhammad Badat, shoe bomber, who also had links to and claims to have been radicalised by Ahmad.
There is a lot more going on here than some website raising funds for fighting in Afghanistan.
This is sounding a lot more like a major terrorist, planning or assisting attacks against civilians.
Much as I consider the 2003 treaty to be a bit lousy, it seems this man has done enough to warrant being kicked out of the UK and dumped on the US.
Now to Islam.
I understand it's the duty of every Muslim to promote Islam, try to expand our family at every opportunity and NEVER do anything to defile the Name of the most wonderful Allah.
I firmly believe this man, Abu 'hooky' Hamza and all his daft pals soil Islam with their rubbish. I equally believe they'll all be spending an eternity in a nasty place because, even considering the Almighty is the most forgiving, people like them turn millions against Islam and slow the spread of the truth around the world.
Should any good Muslim really show any support of these people and anyone like them?
Here we are again.
Originally Posted by siddy_06
A thinker isn't a Muslim because he tries to find out background rather than blindly accept what he's told is the truth.
Perhaps I should accept an airliner can make a missile sized hole in a building and its wings/engines disappear like a fart in the wind while I'm at it.
No way will I simply accept your version of the truth so I can support a man purely because he'a a Muslim.
Perhaps I'm a troll because I disagree and have found out things you don't want out in public.
I think you have to be honest with people before ask for their help, not tell half a story and hope people don't search the rest.
People like Ahmad are why so many hate Islam and what is slowing the spread of Islam in the world.
It seems he's done a lot more than just support fighters in Afghanistan, he seems to have been actively radicalising and at least encouraging, if not actively assisting, in murder of civilians.
The more I read about him, the more I think he's a negative force, damaging Islam.
Can't stand the heat, don't but the anarchist's cookbook and make your way to the kitchen.
Perhaps you can deny his links to convicted attempted bombers and explain why those people claim he was a major force in their recruitment to terrorism.
I'll give you the chance without making claims you're not a Muslim, you're a troll or a terrorist.
Go for it.
I hope you're happy Fred, he will be extradited, and I'm sure people will stop hating Islam now.
This issue, alongside other extraditions to the US, serves a warning to ALL UK residents, no matter their race, religion, background etc. This story will make the noises as it rightly should as it brings into doubt our legal system but other extraditions have happened. Extraditions that aren't British Pakistani and Muslim men, men who are white - old and young - and sent to the US without trial in this country. I just hope the media narrative is not about terrorists etc but to push forward a serious look into our system.
Not so much happy as relieved, one enemy of the whole world, including Islam, is on his way to obscurity.
Originally Posted by siddy_06
The trial will bring loads of anti Islamic publicity but, when that's done with, he'll be dumped in some max security hole and be forgotten about by the majority.
What will make me happy?
ALL idiot terrorists stop trying to kill civilians and ALL extremists realise life is about peace, love and generally being nice to each other, not preaching hate and being fools.
That goes for the cretins in the US and Israeli governments as well. I don't see a lot of them as being any better.
The law is clearly wrong. The 2003 treaty basically allows the Yanks to do what the hell they like, without evidence or explanation.
Originally Posted by Aky786Journalist
It's so wrong, it's crazy.
There have been several cases that have hardly touched the headlines and were very quickly forgotten.
The Sheffield guy was one of the worst. No crimes under UK law and no crimes committed outside the UK but still sent abroad to American justice. Totally wrong.
Sadly, these guys will be a negative force to getting rid of that law as they were less than popular and no one will complain about any law that managed to get rid of them.
Perhaps someone can actually explain why these men were anything good for anyone, including Muslims, and why Muslims should support them.
Personally, I can't think of a singe reason outside masochism.
Added to my above.
Originally Posted by siddy_06
No one will stop hating Islam while Muslims are seen as supporting these idiots and their kind.
Want to be a good Muslim? Condemn extremism as loudly as you can.
Just for my peace of mind, please do so in your next post.
His aircraft headed to the stated destination but swung back out to sea, then headed inland and is now at 38,000 ft over Dulles airport, Washington.
Gets odder. The aircraft dropped to 2,500 ft just outside Washington but then appeared a long way north.
The rack is now just looping from an hour or so ago. They've 'disappeared' the aircraft.
It has no airspeed either.
So we are supposed to believe that someone who knew nothing about Babar until the other day, is now following the plane which sent him to the US.
I use pictures so my 4 year old students can grasp simple ideas.
Originally Posted by siddy_06
They don't seem to work for you.
When I research, I try to do the job properly.
I realise you don't like inconvenient truths popping out but I like to have a good idea, not blindly accept rubbish.
Sorry you dislike education, Are you Taliban?
lol - at the taliban joke really fred couldn't you think of something more original.
its a sad day for British justice personally in ever believed in British justice or the justice system hence i left law despite having a first class law degree.
studying the legal system makes you realise its all just a game and you are a porn in the game, the veridict was already decided the judiciary is not independent its a JOKE!
Their innocence is not the issue the fact is that British citizens should be tried by British courts why send them to the US? do you not have faith in your own justice system!
Maybe the plane stopped at some secret detention centres for some pre trial questioning ?
fred either you have too much time on your hands or you are a troll i'm suspecting the latter!
Why is someone who questions the accepted line always a troll?
Originally Posted by sami_83
I find that rather pathetic.
And, while I'm on the go, we have an idiot out here called, Abu Bakar Baasyir.
He's a radical who thinks it's fine to kill the creations of Allah because he knows exactly what the Almighty wants. Like you, he complains people aren't good Muslims because they disagree with him.
That's nothing short of amazing arrogance in itself.
People of this type, your pal included, are nothing better than evil dogs who, apart from crimes against humanity, are committing crimes against Islam.
They don't deserve any support at all.
Now, I'm still waiting to hear a condemnation of terrorism or radical preaching from your good self.
Fred it doesn't matter how much you distance yourself from so called extremists or radicals the non Muslims will never be pleased with you. Allah s.w.t. has told you this in the Quran so you should believe it.