Apolitical Muslims

[nasman]

carrying on from the other thread, here are some recent posts about political engagement from asghar's facebook page:

The apolitical version of Islam we are fed is no different at all from the Roman version of Christianity. They were both created to pacify those who follow it.

Where are these cowards in Islamic clothes, with quotes ever ready to show off their knowledge? - no you will never find these non-political devils when a Muslims woman's face is pushed into the dirt. They only become champions of the deen, when she wears something they don't like...

While our brothers are slaughtered, why are we silent? Because we have been taught to be silent, like a slave is taught - to shut up and pray.

There is an apolitical version of Islam, that teaches you nothing but pray & fast, let your people be enslaved. The Quran teaches me otherwise.

well, do you agree or disagree?

[gohar]

I do beleive in the correctness of entering into the political arena to stand up for good and agaisnt evil, but sometimes it does feel like politics is just another pacifier or a pasttime to keep the angry busy.

In my mind, those who really care will make an effort one way or another. Those who don't care wont. That effort does not have to be political or in the "public" sphere. I can understand the fustration of those who realise they need numbers to make a difference feeling fustrated, but that probably works in the other direction too.

The distinction would be better if it was between those who make effort and those who don't, rather than those who believe in entering the western political arena;and those who don't. There will be some who don't believe in doing so who make more of a difference than some of those who do believe in doing so. And vice versa.

There are a billion muslims in this world. Huge numbers are I expect in neither camp ideologically speaking. Just too bone lazy. Rather than have inter-worker verbal wars, we should be concentrating on getting those who do nothing to do something. Reminds me of one example one daiee (Abu Muntasir in his heyday) once gave. He said too many times people get jealous of the numbers of people going to a "different" islamic circle down the road, but pay no attention to the 30000 non-muslims going to the local football match.

[Seperatist]

I think he's spot on.

[Goalshan602]

I do beleive in the correctness of entering into the political arena to stand up for good and agaisnt evil, but sometimes it does feel like politics is just another pacifier or a pasttime to keep the angry busy.

In my mind, those who really care will make an effort one way or another. Those who don't care wont. That effort does not have to be political or in the "public" sphere. I can understand the fustration of those who realise they need numbers to make a difference feeling fustrated, but that probably works in the other direction too.

The distinction would be better if it was between those who make effort and those who don't, rather than those who believe in entering the western political arena;and those who don't. There will be some who don't believe in doing so who make more of a difference than some of those who do believe in doing so. And vice versa.

There are a billion muslims in this world. Huge numbers are I expect in neither camp ideologically speaking. Just too bone lazy. Rather than have inter-worker verbal wars, we should be concentrating on getting those who do nothing to do something. Reminds me of one example one daiee (Abu Muntasir in his heyday) once gave. He said too many times people get jealous of the numbers of people going to a "different" islamic circle down the road, but pay no attention to the 30000 non-muslims going to the local football match.

Great post Gohar

The MPAC's ire should be instead directed towards the apathetic not apolitical muslim.

[NotAPrayer]

Meh.

I'm not encouraging people to vote Tory just so they satisfy someone's demand that at least they're doing sumfink.

Join UKIP, You Know It Makes Sense.

[sami_83]

so he says,

While our brothers are slaughtered, why are we silent? Because we have been taught to be silent, like a slave is taught - to shut up and pray.

why does he compare one to the other? can a man who prays not use his tongue for other than the remembrance of Allah.

And yes the slave is taught to submit to his Lord thorugh Prayer that slave is the slave of Allah but Islam teaches us to tie our camel and then to place our trust in Allah.

no person with true taqwa will have no care for the suffering of his brother he just doesn't need to ridicule the deen to make his voice heard.

i can't believe anyone can respect this man after what he says about the deen and the Prophet. Subhan'Allah!!!

[sami_83]

more classic drivel from asghar...

Where are these cowards in Islamic clothes, with quotes ever ready to show off their knowledge? - no you will never find these non-political devils when a Muslims woman's face is pushed into the dirt. They only become champions of the deen, when she wears something they don't like...

lets look at one of the great khalifs umar ibn abdul aziz...what did his wife say about him?

Fatimah, the wife of Umar ibn Abdil Aziz said: I never saw anyone that would pray and fast as much as him. Nor did I see anyone that had as much fear of God as him. After Isha' he would just sit and cry until sleep would overcome him. And in the middle of the night he would wake up and start crying again until sleep would overcome him. Sometimes he would be in bed and think about a matter to do with the akhirah (hereafter) and start shaking like a bird that shakes off water.

look at the rulers today? they have strayed from Islam that is why we have ended up in this place and this is the cause of the problems that asghar is trying to highlight in his own nonsensical way.

the true rulers who had that taqwa they sent armies to protect the honour of a single Muslim woman...thats what they did! they didn't sit around slating the deen

it is their god conciousness, the fear of Allah that creates islamic personalities like these. You can not have one without the other.

it was their devotion to the deen that motivated them to be just because they knew and understood all to well they would be held to account.

[nasman]

his fb page is still being updated with similar comments - the language is harsh but it's not any different to the usual mpacuk message, ie religious rituals without political activism supports oppression.

[Seperatist]

his fb page is still being updated with similar comments - the language is harsh but it's not any different to the usual mpacuk message, ie religious rituals without political activism supports oppression.

And he's absolutely right imo.

[sami_83]

And he's absolutely right imo.

what use is the opposite - that is political activism without the deen should i create a facebook about the length of his beard...his knowledge of the deen, hadith, quran, sunnah, etc

people are deluded to think you can make a difference by neglecting the deen.

the pioneers of islam never neglected the deen. It was our neglect of the deen that lead to our downfall.

It's more than praying and fasting and so called rituals. why are those rituals there? so praying is ritual to asghar but Allah tells us it keeps us from shameful and unjust deeds each so called ritual has a purpose and if you can not contemplate on the purpose maybe it is a ritual for you.

[Seperatist]

I full well know of the purpose of my namaaz, and anything you do on a regular basis could be called ritual, so he's not wrong there and we need action on the political front, why is it that people seem to think the two are incompatible with each other....I think that's a silly line to hold in these most testing of times....it's opting out and look what happened to the Jew when they opted out of politics.
We will go like lambs to the slaughter if we don't somehow get our heads around this issue.

[Goalshan602]

The two must go concurrently. What the MPACers are appearing to do is ignore the other - likewise the apolitical muslim.

[sami_83]

I full well know of the purpose of my namaaz, and anything you do on a regular basis could be called ritual, so he's not wrong there and we need action on the political front, why is it that people seem to think the two are incompatible with each other....I think that's a silly line to hold in these most testing of times....it's opting out and look what happened to the Jew when they opted out of politics.
We will go like lambs to the slaughter if we don't somehow get our heads around this issue.

i'm not saying the two don't go together i'm saying everyone must try to do both and have regard to both but importance always will go to the deen. eg, you don't miss a fard or sunnah to hand out leaflets - that's not jihad!

what asghar wants is a string of Muslims who leave the fundamentals of Islam and the correct concept of jihad to handout leaflets in sainsburys and he calls this his jihad. where is his islamic knowledge?

i say as a political centre they might work just leave Islam to the scholars.

I take my islam from scholars and my politics from else where!

[sami_83]

The two must go concurrently. What the MPACers are appearing to do is ignore the other - likewise the apolitical muslim.

i agree both are two extremes

[nasman]

you don't miss a fard or sunnah to hand out leaflets - that's not jihad!

So concentrate on perfecting the length of the beard before thinking about politics?

[sami_83]

So concentrate on perfecting the length of the beard before thinking about politics?

The companions were frightened of eating watermelon because they didn't know how the prophet(saw) would have ate it as he never ate watermelon such was the fear of straying from the sunnah and these days it is belittled. then we wonder why we are in this state. it isn't solved by handing out leaflets.

again can someone please answer how they can respect this man after what he says about the sunnah. does this help the muslim cause?

you protest about cartoons because they were making fun of the Prophet (saw) and now what?? you join them in ridiculing his way, what next for the political so called Muslim?

i really give up on this thread my views have been made clear, Asghar as shown his lack of adhab and knowledge he speaks volumes about himself and doesn't need me to add to his ratings. I have no respect for the man on any level.

[nasman]

can someone please answer how they can respect this man after what he says about the sunnah

what has he said about the sunnah?

[nasman]

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[Mikebloke]

Seems like the first 'defence' against doing anything political is really sticking out here in this topic, that doing anything regarding activism comes at a cost of practising Religion.

The only reason why any Activist of any flavour, would disregard his/her religion which ever it might be, is if they let themselves.

[dark_knight]

The two must go concurrently. What the MPACers are appearing to do is ignore the other - likewise the apolitical muslim.

and thats where the problem is...

i tried to explain that to asghar months [on FB] ago but he didnt seem to understand... so i just left the conversation.