Muslims defending Marriage - Say NO to Gay Marriage

[JerseyLily]

As you probably know the government is having a free vote on the issue of gay marriage. The Muslim Council of Britain has started a campaign to oppose this and to protect traditional marriage.

Please sign the petetion here http://www.mdm-campaign.org.uk/index...ess=1#petition

Once you have signed the petition on the Muslims Defending Marriage Website you get an email and the email includes an option for taking part in the government consultation on the issue. Please do that - it is very simple just tick the boxes and a few comments if you wish.

More reading on the topic with useful links at to the law and how it might affect how our children are taught about marriage in schools etc.
http://www.deliberation.info/why-mus...arriage-issue/

You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.

[andrewbrown]

I don't particularly see what the issue with this is. No-one is forcing gay marriages on anyone, just allowing those that are the choice. Unless someone is gay, then it won't affect them at all, then why would it bother you? Or to put it another way, why do Muslim's insist on putting their views to restrict the rights of others?

I'm a Roman Catholic, and I don't see it happening within the church. However, I would respect the rights of people to have their marriage within a civil environment, or a religious environment where permitted, and would be delighted to attend a service if invited for one.

If you don't believe in it, then that's fine, and I respect your opinion, and would understand that you would decline the invitation. But to deny others that right simply because of your own religious beliefs is, at the very least, purely selfish. That is the sort of thing that can be used by the media to show how Muslim's are trying to influence British Society, and then Muslims are the first to complain about this. (To make it clear, by "your", I mean Muslims, not JL in person).

[nasman]

the lazy attitude of british christians is why it has got this far.

and the independence of minority faiths is undermined when the majority religion does nothing about the constant erosion of its influence within society.

[andrewbrown]

But that's kind of my point. Religious views shouldn't be "influencing" politics - they should comment for their own followers only. I shouldn't have to follow Islamic values unless I want and choose to. My point is that just because (the majority of) Muslims don't agree with gay marriage, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed for non-Muslims? About 15% of this country are regular churchgoers - are you saying that our laws should be formed around their opinions? Populations are increasingly looking outside religion for values - we've moved away from the "God for Harry, England & St George!" way of thinking.

I'm not sure what you mean about the "independence of minority faiths" - no-one is forcing Muslims into gay marriage against their will?

[fred]

I'm not anti anything gay as such.
I think it's pretty disgusting so I won't be joining in, but if that's what they want to do....
Not that I'm happy at that but, we want the right to live in peace so I don't believe we can forbid others the same.
It's sort of like forcing the world to eat halal food because we do.

However.

There are concerns as we saw in the hotel case of a year or so ago. Gay couple want to sleep together - Christian landlord tells them her beliefs forbid her to allow it.
Gay couple take her to court and win.

Gay marriages in mosques would be on the cards sooner or later and that is seriously bad news as it would be directly against the teachings of Al Qur'an.

[fred]

the lazy attitude of british christians is why it has got this far.

and why the Christian churches are being sold off as pubs and Mosques.

[Seperatist]

Gay marriages in mosques would be on the cards sooner or later and that is seriously bad news as it would be directly against the teachings of Al Qur'an.

Fred, I know you're a convert coming from a christian base so maybe you still see things a christianic sort of way (the church changing it's views to fit in with the times and backpeddling etc, but believe me, Islam will never ever accept homosexual marriage...full stop.

[Illuminate]

Assalamualaikum all

Fred, I know you're a convert coming from a christian base so maybe you still see things a christianic sort of way (the church changing it's views to fit in with the times and backpeddling etc, but believe me, Islam will never ever accept homosexual marriage...full stop.

Islam wouldn't accept such marriages - but there are always going to muslims who will and you always going to find some Imam conducting a gay marriage ceremony - read the folowing link:
http://digitaljournal.com/article/322391

There are also gay mosques in USA, canada and other places I don't even know about..

I can just imagine imam like taj hargey marrying two gay couples in the Uk... (my guess is he probably already has!!)

[fred]

Fred, I know you're a convert coming from a christian base so maybe you still see things a christianic sort of way (the church changing it's views to fit in with the times and backpeddling etc, but believe me, Islam will never ever accept homosexual marriage...full stop.

I hope you're right as I'm not even slightly into the idea of gay marriage in a mosque but I see a day when mosques are forced into accepting it.
I really hope I'm wrong.

The church changing it's views to get 'bums on seats' is one reason the church is failing. Their own daft fault.

[jamie]

I'm not anti anything gay as such.
I think it's pretty disgusting so I won't be joining in, but if that's what they want to do....
Not that I'm happy at that but, we want the right to live in peace so I don't believe we can forbid others the same.
It's sort of like forcing the world to eat halal food because we do.

However.

There are concerns as we saw in the hotel case of a year or so ago. Gay couple want to sleep together - Christian landlord tells them her beliefs forbid her to allow it.
Gay couple take her to court and win.

Gay marriages in mosques would be on the cards sooner or later and that is seriously bad news as it would be directly against the teachings of Al Qur'an.

lmao this whole post shows how antigay u are

[fred]

lmao this whole post shows how antigay u are

I think you need to explain why.

Does finding something disgusting and not wanting to do it make you anti that thing?
The taste of Pepsi cola is ruddy terrible but I don't campaign against it; I simply drink something else.
Same goes for the thought of a man sticking his dingle dangle up my arse (or me sticking my dingle dangle up his arse).
I'd skip that one if it's all the same to you.

As for the second part. They can do what they want for me; I really don't care but the story mentioned shows others are being forced to accept something they don't wish to support.
That becomes wrong.

[NotAPrayer]

Assalamualaikum all

You OK Lumi?

Was wondering a couple of days ago where you were.

[jamie]

I'm not anti anything gay as such.
I think it's pretty disgusting so I won't be joining in, but if that's what they want to do....
Not that I'm happy at that but, we want the right to live in peace so I don't believe we can forbid others the same.
It's sort of like forcing the world to eat halal food because we do.

However.

There are concerns as we saw in the hotel case of a year or so ago. Gay couple want to sleep together - Christian landlord tells them her beliefs forbid her to allow it.
Gay couple take her to court and win.

Gay marriages in mosques would be on the cards sooner or later and that is seriously bad news as it would be directly against the teachings of Al Qur'an.

its the however bit that proves it to me

spin some of ur post around and put in a muslim and its obvious it wud sound islamophobic,

u dont have to wish gays didnt exist to be homophobic, u just have to deny them the same rights as yourself.
like to see what u would be writin if the christian landlord asked a muslim couple to leave....

[JerseyLily]

Islam as a religion teaches collective responsibility, the good of the ummah is held above the rights of an individual to harm himself through his actions.

So yes it is the role of every Muslim to forbid the evil and promote the good in society for Muslims and non Muslims, just as we are forbidden to give a non Muslim alcohol.

[andrewbrown]

Islam as a religion teaches collective responsibility, the good of the ummah is held above the rights of an individual to harm himself through his actions.

So yes it is the role of every Muslim to forbid the evil and promote the good in society for Muslims and non Muslims, just as we are forbidden to give a non Muslim alcohol.

And that's what people have a problem with. You can't just give yourself a right to tell others what to do.

[JerseyLily]

But we do have the right to express our views in a democracy right?

[andrewbrown]

Yes, of course, and I would always defend your right to this. What I don't understand though is why you are against gay marriage , when homosexuality and Islam are mutually exclusive, so this cannot affect you. Therefore the only reason that you are against gay marriage is to deny others, is to inflict your religious views on them. Hence my previous point.

[JerseyLily]

The government is asking people to fill in a questionaire on line about gay marriage, which I am asking readers of MPACUK to do. We are allowed to have an opinion and since we are a couple of million we could start to make our voice heard if only people would get active.

If there was an opinion poll or questionaire etc on alcohol gambling etc the majority of muslims would say no. I believe that the majority of relgious people would also say no to gay marriage since all relgions are against it.

So the bottom line is we are invited to give our opinion and we should. If we believe that society would benefit from not making gay marriage equal to the marriage of male and female then we should say it publicly and collectively. What benefits society affects us since we live inthis society.

[jamie]

gay marriage is a waste of time..

the only reason for it is the legal side and i think civil partnership covers that
if its to show commitment to someone u dont need to prove that to anyone,

if its about being married and legal in eyes of god, then ur kiddin urself,

[jamie]

and at least JL is honest about it