Good to see that some Asian Imams understand that there is a cultural problem and are trying to tackle it. The problem is nothing to do with Islam since such behaviour is Haram but a lot to do with Asian/Pakistani/Mirpuri culture. The fact that the girls were not properly parented and were out on the streets and open to abuse needs addressing but it doesn't take the blame off the men.
Seriously dude?Originally Posted by andrewbrown
Yep, in all the stuff that I've read/watched/heard, it was all about them being Asian. I'm not denying that some might want to make a "Muslim" thing out of it, hence my question! Completely agree with JL post above (1st time for everything) that it is nothing to do with Islam, and I don't seriously think that many people think it is.
asian/pakistani/etc are bywords for muslim, and vice versa, in the uk.
You got it dude.
OK so Mirpuri then.
The 'honeymonster' was 'the main one in this'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...teenage-824265
Most Kashmiri's girls would rather not be a white female convert who has extremist tendencies. Let me guess JL you support the Syrian terrorists too?
This is not a Pakistani, Kashmir or Mirpuri issue but a modern day British issue. Young girls dressed like prostitutes after free alcohol, cannabis or cocaine don't wonder around the streets of Pakistan but the streets of all towns/cities in the U.K. These girls are preyed upon by all types of people from all types of backgrounds. This just happens to be an 'Asian gang' who preyed on white girls but would have done the same to any girls if the opportunity arose.
The fact is only around 3% of known 'street groomers' are of a Pakistani background. The media have twisted the statistics to fit their storyline.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18004153Research conducted by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) on "localised grooming" - where children have been groomed and sexually exploited by an offender having first met in a public place - looked at 1,217 offenders.
The findings, published last year, found 30% of offenders - 367 - were white. Some 28% were Asian, of whom 11 were Bangladeshi, 45 were Pakistani and 290 were described as "Asian Other".
If Britain wants to stop this it must sort out the moral decline of it's society not pass the buck to a certain ethnicity.
Most Kashmiri's girls would rather not be a white female convert who has extremist tendencies. Let me guess JL you support the Syrian terrorists too?
I see you support the Ad Hominen argument.
[I]If Britain wants to stop this it must sort out the moral decline of it's society not pass the buck to a certain ethnicity.[/]
How can "Britain" reach the Mirpuri community?
Young girls dressed like prostitutes after free alcohol, cannabis or cocaine don't wonder around the streets of Pakistan but the streets of all towns/cities in the U.K.
I love how you put the blame on the victims!
Let's not blame the girls for being raped, eh?
If you read the CEOPs report the data is so inconclusive it doesn't tell us anything at all (not even which regions esponded to the request for data), the ethnicity data is not uniform and in 13% of cases the gender of the offender is recorded as unkown.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceop...ve_summary.pdf
The blame lies squarely on the men who had sex with the girls. No argument.
However. Acting and dressing like a slapper allows men to think they can get away with doing that stuff.
Low life swine will always be around so it makes sense not to encourage them and endanger yourself.
Moral decline in the UK has told girls it's fine to do as they wish and we're seeing what happens when they do.
That's not to say it was in any way the girl's fault but they hardly helped themselves either. They painted a target on their own backs, thus, they were the ones to get it while nice girls stayed safe.
Yes Fred the girls are victims many times over, firstly of a society with declining morals, then of the police who did not investigate one of the girls cries for help earlier, then of these men. It is not fair to call them "not nice white girls" some of them were 13 years old and victims of bad parenting or of the care system (in the new case).
The implementation of Shariah law is a good solution.
I can't help but agree with all of the above except the bold.
That may force them to dress ultra modestly but would probably end up with them being stoned to death for the crime of being raped.
Not really, no. Islam has capital punishment for crimes which involve destroying others lives, in more ways than just murder.
Clearly, sex gangs is a ever increasing crime across the world, of which the death penalty will be the easiest deterrent.
Your right, if the girls were 'asian' they'd have probably been beaten to death by their relatives for adultery and 'shame'.If they went for Pakistani/Asian girls, they would have had a higher chance of reprisals from their families.
"My most brilliant achievement was my ability to be able to persuade my wife to marry me." - Winston Churchill
I've got this too, only the extreme right wing has tried to link the issue to religion.
Oh, and Pakistanis.
And in that lies the problem, its used by most people, not just Pakistanis, and I've heard many a white person use 'Muslim' when talking specifically about Pakistanis.asian/pakistani/etc are bywords for muslim, and vice versa, in the uk.
"My most brilliant achievement was my ability to be able to persuade my wife to marry me." - Winston Churchill
To believe that any other system than Shariah or that any other way except Allahs is kufr
OK, I agreed with your post above, but I've got to disagree with this. Your argument that I agreed with was that this was nothing to do with religion. So why are you trying to bring religion into it?
It was directed at Fred who stated yhat he doesn't agree that shariah has the best solution
Hang on.
Make your mind up lass.
One moment sin is down to the sinner and almighty; the next introduce the most extreme form of Islamic law to sort out sin.
I'm confused.
When should sin be sorted out by man and when by the Almighty?
shariah does not have to end up like the saudi system - a modern implementation is possible.
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