Bin Laden's last documents from Abbottabad released

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Letters captured from the raid in both the original Arabic and Englisg translations

This report is a study of 17 de-classified documents captured during the Abbottabad raid and released to the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC). They consist of electronic letters or draft letters, totaling 175 pages in the original Arabic and 197 pages in the English translation. The earliest is dated September 2006 and the latest April 2011. These internal al-Qa`ida communications were authored by several leaders, most prominently Usama bin Ladin. In contrast to his public statements that focused on the injustice of those he believed to be the “enemies” of Muslims, namely corrupt “apostate” Muslim rulers and their Western “overseers,” the focus of Bin Ladin’s private letters is Muslims’ suffering at the hands of his jihadi “brothers”. He is at pain advising them to abort domestic attacks that cause Muslim civilian casualties and focus on the United States, “our desired goal.” Bin Ladin’s frustration with regional jihadi groups and his seeming inability to exercise control over their actions and public statements is the most compelling story to be told on the basis of the 17 de-classified documents. “Letters from Abbottabad” is an initial exploration and contextualization of 17 documents that will be the grist for future academic debate and discussion.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/letter...adin-sidelined

[JerseyLily]

As if any one is going to believe the USA

[fred]

As if any one is going to believe the USA

Lots of people will.
The truth is unimportant when compared with what you can get people to believe.

[gohar]

As if any one is going to believe the USA

Aside from the fact that they have only released a small portion of the claimed files, they certainly are capable and willing to forge too. I have no doubt those reports of pornography at his house were lies by them.

Former CIA Officials Admit To Faking Bin Laden Video

Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort to defame the terrorist leader throughout the middle east.The details are outlined in a Washington Post article by investigative reporter and former Army Intelligence case officer Jeff Stein.Stein’s sources told him that during planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group considered creating a fake video of Saddam Hussein engaged in sexual acts with a teenage boy, then flooding Iraq with copies of the tape.That idea, along with faking Iraqi news bulletins, never came to fruition according to the former CIA officials, because agreement on the projects could not be reached between the Iraq Group and CIA’s Office of Technical Services.However, the two sources reveal that the agency did previously concoct at least one fake Bin Laden video:

The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

The former officials told Stein that the project was taken over by the military after it ground to a halt:

The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects.
“The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center.

This latest revelation bolsters evidence that the intelligence agencies, and perhaps more significantly, the military have been engaged in creating fake Bin Laden videos in the past.As we have exhaustively documented, Intelcenter, the U.S. monitoring group that routinely releases Bin Laden video and audio, much of which have been proven to be eitherrehashed old footage or outright fakes, is an offshoot of IDEFENSE, a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east.

IDEFENSE is heavily populated by long serving ex military intelligence officials, such as senior military psy-op intelligence officer Jim Melnick, who served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in psychological operations. Melnick has also worked directly for former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Intelcenter notoriously released the “laughing hijackers” tapeand claimed it was an Al-Qaeda video, despite the fact that the footage was obtained by a “security agency” at a 2000 Bin Laden speech.
IntelCenter was also caught adding its logo to a tape at the same time as Al-Qaeda’s so-called media arm As-Sahab added its logo, proving the two organizations were one and the same.

Could the CIA group of “dark skinned actors” have been behind the infamous December 2001“Fat nosed” Bin Laden video, that was magically found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in?
The tape featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he’d carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured “Bin Laden” praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong. This Osama also used the wrong hand to write with and wore gold rings, a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith.
Despite the fact that the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden, the CIA stood by it and declared it to be the official “9/11 confession video”.
The latest revelations also shed light on another past Bin Laden release – a tape in which he ludicrously declared himself in league with Saddam Hussein in the weeks before the invasion of Iraq.
The notion that the CIA project was taken over and drastically improved by the Pentagon at some point after 2003 jives with the improvement in quality of Bin Laden videos in later years. Most notably the video that was released immediately ahead of the 2004 election, and it’s digitally manipulated duplicate from 2007, in which Bin Laden appeared to have a dyed beard.
For a run down of some of the most notoriously dubious Bin Laden videos see the following article.
New Bin Laden “Confession” Tape: Fake Like The Rest?

Please find the original article, along with the any links in the article you might want to open, at the original page at http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-cia-officials-admit-to-faking-bin-laden-video.html

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Anything emanating from Alex Jones should have extreme caution sign attached to it. Even Stein, the author prefaces it by describing it as CIA unit's wacky idea. The article from the Washington Post makes clear that apart from some lunatic ideas being tossed around, none were ever approved for action.

They also faced strong opposition from James Pavitt, then head of the
agency’s Operations Division, and his deputy, Hugh Turner, who “kept throwing
darts at it.” The ideas were patently ridiculous, said the other former agency officer.

"While I can't confirm these accounts, if these ideas were ever floated by
anyone at any time, they clearly didn't go anywhere," the official said.

Even the tossing around of such ideas ( probably called blue sky thinking in today's parlance ended in the 1980's

“The agency got rid of most of its non-paramilitary covert action in the
1980s, after Bill Casey died,” said the third former official. “He was a big fan of covert
action, but neither Bob Gates, who succeeded him as acting [CIA] director, or any after him, wanted
anything to do with it.”

“There was a flurry of activity during the first Gulf War,” the official
added, “but [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf
made it clear he had to approve everything, and he basically approved
nothing, except, reluctantly at first, surrender leaflets. By the late '90s
there were very few people left who knew anything about covert action or how to
do it. “

The only thing actually approved was :

According to histories of the 2003 invasion, the single most effective
“information warfare” project, which originated in the Pentagon, was to send faxes and
e-mails to Iraqi unit commanders as the fighting began, telling them their
situation was hopeless, to round up their tanks, artillery and men, and go home.

Nothing covert about that -

[Seperatist]

I can't believe this story was at the top of the news at ten on the beeb last night, I mean who gives a flying f*ck what Bin Laden was supposedly planning, he's old news now.

[Janissary]

What happened to all the navy seals who "dispatched" Bin Laden? Is it such a coincidence that they all died together? It has to be a coincidence, after all , it cant be a conspiracy theory.

[fred]

I can't believe this story was at the top of the news at ten on the beeb last night, I mean who gives a flying f*ck what Bin Laden was supposedly planning, he's old news now.

You may not care.
As far as many are concerned - they assume he was the most important figure in world history but for a variety of reasons.
Hero or villain - his views and opinions still matter in a propaganda war.

[fred]

What happened to all the navy seals who "dispatched" Bin Laden? Is it such a coincidence that they all died together? It has to be a coincidence, after all , it cant be a conspiracy theory.

That stuck me as a bit odd. Surely troop rotation and/or other factors would have split the team at least a little.
I could easily be wrong but it seems odd on the surface.

[Aky786Journalist]

I can't believe this story was at the top of the news at ten on the beeb last night, I mean who gives a flying f*ck what Bin Laden was supposedly planning, he's old news now.

I'd agree. Bin Laden, as important figure he was in modern history, to me - is now irrelevant. He's the past. All this documents release is by the US to get some pre-election brownie points for Obama and to rub more salt into the wounds of killing him. And finally, to make OBL seem in a very negative light, how far away he was from the operational running. It's interesting reading but nothing to take forward.

And finally, all the Navy Seals involving in the Bin Laden raid, they are ALL dead? Why has this piece of major news been buried? I've had rumours but no regular news report about this. If so, then something don't smell right.

[Seperatist]

You may not care.
As far as many are concerned - they assume he was the most important figure in world history but for a variety of reasons.
Hero or villain - his views and opinions still matter in a propaganda war.

Then they have fallen for all the state propaganda/lies and b*ullsh*t) released by us and the USA....quite sad in reality.

[fred]

Then they have fallen for all the state propaganda/lies and b*ullsh*t) released by us and the USA....quite sad in reality.

Agreed - Sad but still a fact.
That's where we fall down badly. Public perception is everything but we, as Muslims, don't even try to do anything about changing it.

Here we have terrorist on trial. Look how guilty he looks to the eyes of those who don't want to be educated.



His lawyer needs to lose his beard and stick him in this.



Would he look as guilty to those uneducated eyes?

Toss in being stupid in the court and you have a guilty man regardless of the verdict or even if he happened to be a tourist in a New York coffee shop.

[gohar]

Shaving the beard when going to court would just be a pointless disobedience, and will in addition also invite derision from those who hate you. They'd feel doubly pleased - that they are getting their way in court, and even more delight in seeing you abandon what you "believe in" out of a desperate hope of leniency from them.

Don't get me wrong. Of course Muslims have to take care of PR as much as anyone else (well even more so), but there is a dignity in not bending over to please those in power over you. And it's a dignity that even haters cannot deny.

A grovelling boot kissing of your soon to be murderer will please him but not save your life. A defiant last spit in his face will give him food for thought.

[Aky786Journalist]

Changing their appearance is not going to change anything - all of them are guilty already in the eyes of the military court. I'm glad the defendants aren't bowing down - like Gohar posted - and changing everything to what they are being advised to do. The whole process is a joke, as aptly described in this article. Obama probably knew that his target to try them in a civilian court wouldn't go through as he probably was told about the torture these lot faced and the embarrassment caused.

[jamie]

so wot ur all sayin is there are no muslim terrorists
they are all set up?

[Eoin]

Shaving the beard when going to court would just be a pointless disobedience, and will in addition also invite derision from those who hate you. They'd feel doubly pleased - that they are getting their way in court, and even more delight in seeing you abandon what you "believe in" out of a desperate hope of leniency from them.

Don't get me wrong. Of course Muslims have to take care of PR as much as anyone else (well even more so), but there is a dignity in not bending over to please those in power over you. And it's a dignity that even haters cannot deny.

A grovelling boot kissing of your soon to be murderer will please him but not save your life. A defiant last spit in his face will give him food for thought.

If I was on trial for mass murder in the mid-east I'd show up legless drunk, tell the judge I don't have to obey his tin hat religious laws, insist on wearing an England football shirt, and of course I'd refuse to address any females unless they first shouted "Av it" and got their tits out. With a defiant grin I'd urinate on the judge from the dock as he passed the inevitable sentence, and I'd be led to the execution ground with the dignity of knowing that I'll be a hero of the far right accross the world.

[gohar]

Maybe you have a particular case or some other behaviours not mentioned in fred's post in mind (I do not), because those things in your reply are nowhere close to being equivalent to what I had said in my post.

[Eoin]

Maybe you have a particular case or some other behaviours not mentioned in fred's post in mind (I do not), because those things in your reply are nowhere close to being equivalent to what I had said in my post.

You are correct to point out that my answer goes above and beyond what you said because it also draws analogies of seperate things that the Guantanamo detainee's are reported in the press to have said and done, but which you did not refer to.

If I were to limit myself to what you said, I'd repeat Jamie's question to you. The way in which you've approached this topic appears to come from the perspective that the accused are all condemned innocent men, and you seem to be hoping that they 'go down shooting', to use Western terminology. That's fair enough except that we don't know that the men are innocent, indeed given that the trial has yet to begin we don't know in detail what the men are accused of, apart from being accessories to 2,793 individual counts of murder.

It's an awkward situation. Given the secrecy of the evidence over court proceedings, the torture of many of the accused and of witnesses, there is no chance that this trial will provide any serious perception of justice, regardless of whether the judge arrives at the truth or not. This is an even greater tragedy because we know from a variety of sources that there are likely to be a small number of Guantanamo prisoners who are actually guilty of terrorism. Though from memory he didn't name names, in his book 'Enemy Combatant', former British Guantanamo detainee Moazzam Begg states multiple times throughout the book that a small minority of the prisoners held there were presumed to be guilty of involvement in 9/11, even by the other prisoners.

I strongly doubt the ability of the military court to establish justice. However I think that it's worth bearing in mind that the people we're discussing might actually be guilty of what they're accused of, even if the court itself is a sham.

[fred]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18032968

Hardly a shock so many think the US of Arse is worth a bomb or few up it's towering ego.
Not that I agree but I can understand it.

[Mikebloke]

Was anyone else bothered by the fact that Bin Laden apparently went on regular curry nights, where rather than being turned in, the local Pakistani population crowded to see him?

Clearly the group wasn't blowing up enough Mosques in the country every week to put them off.