Imam blesses union of gay Muslim couple in France
Currently, our Government have began their consultation on whether same sex marriages should be legal. Read more here...
and naturally, you would assume that the Muslim stance would be quite against same sex unions becoming legal. However, one imam has blessed a same sex union in France!
So as Muslims should we be moving with the times? As society moves on so should we? Is it an inevitability, that we should not waste our time fighting?
Will be interesting to get your (mature) views.
And for those that disagree with the legalisation of same sex marriages, there is a petition you can sign.
I don't agree with same sex relationships becuase Islam forbids it for all the reasons I could mention. How can you bless something haram?
Next what if someone were having an incestous lesbian relationship would they're be allowed to marry their aunt or sister and would an Imam give his blessing or equally worse if someone man and his daughter wanted to marry and get blessed. What is the world coming too. Yes I know many homosexuals will take the moral high ground and say how incestous couples are disgusting, immoral and unnatural yet all the whilst proclaiming their relationship is anything but the opposite!
Ludovic Mohamed Zahed and his partner Qiyam al-Din have had a blessing from an imam. Anyone Muslim knows a Muslim Imam can't give blessing to what Allah swt has decreed unlawful and unIslamic. It is against the very teaching of the Kor'an. If the imam has blessed their wedding then I wouldn't hold the imam up in very high regard. Sodomy is immoral and to be re-viled. Hate the sin not the sinner. Maybe they're not into sodomy but either way it's unnatural and it's leads to a corrupt and immoral society where anything goes.
This reminds me of the case where Muslim women wanted to marry an unbeliever/kaffir and a deviant imam in oxford carried this out. Is the nikah valid, would do you think?
Last edited by Muslimlarki; 10-04-2012 at 09:42 PM.
Although I believe in equality, I was understanding your thinking on this until your last paragraph. why are you equating marrying someone of a different religion to homosexual marriage? they're not the same thing at all!Originally Posted by Muslimlarki
I am not, and I was trying to say you cannot make halal what Allah swt has decreed as haram/forbidden. The imam wrongly did the nikah marriage ceremony between an unbeliever and a Muslim lady and as it stands that is forbidden, unislamic and therefore void. A non muslim man cannot islamically marry a muslim woman and like wise the homosexual marriage is void too as it's against Islamic values and principles and no imam can make it halal or permissible.
i dont know why any gays would want a religeous marriage the 2 things dont go together, i think gays can show commitment to each other and be protected legally without having an religios marriage,
a blessing tho is diffrent thats between the iman and the gays.
muslimlarki how come u can take a moral high ground against incest does bein gay mean u will accept all sorts of immoral behavour. i dont think so im bettin JL will tell u about the moral gay ppl who were on the palistinian flotilla boats,
no thanks i wudnt sign anything that denies equal human rights,
But it's not as incestuous people are all crazy, power hungry, sexually addicted, and evil people either, Jamie. I'm sure many are quite respectable, and it's probably why they blend into the population without anyone knowing.
The point is that homosexuals will often criticize religious groups for being agaisnt homosexuality, and might even argue that Muslims' stance should be a reason to curtail the rights of Muslims since Muslims are being hypocritical. But the incest issues shows that this argument (of hypocrisy/double standards) can be applied to any group,depending on what their beliefs are, including the homosexual community.
No.
That jolly nice book makes it pretty clear, homosexual activity is a sin.
The C of E changed things to suit modern times and is dead on it's arse.
Not that I'm anti gay, want to murder them for what they are or anything.
Just you can't be an active gay AND a good Muslim.
Choice time.
I know a strict Christian bloke here. Gay as a maypole but won't go near another bloke because his faith forbids it.
Hat off to the guy.
the jolly nice book tells u they have to be murdered
u cant have it both ways
no becos in most cases incest will hurt ppl even if it start with consent,
gay relationship doesnt hurt anypne else, they are not related
its to lame to say if gay is allowed then u will have to start allowin incest or pedophilia or animal stuff, they hav a victim
but as a muslim or a christian wether u accept gays or not is upto u but dont use the lame excuses
theres probs more important things u shud be movin on with than fightin gay marriages
Really? News to me. Any quotations for this one?
As for the original post, some people have already summed my feelings up. Not against people who are gay, their life and their choices. But I definitely don't feel we can move on with the times as it's something that can't be changed or adjusted due to the strong words noted in the Quran.
sure i read somethin about throwin them off a high building
is that wrong?
"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse)
sorry dont kno were it comes from but it was in a article about islam and homosexuality, but i will find it
The issue of potential coercement within families and genetic mutations only argue for a public policy/law against it, or at least for strict conditions for it. It doesn't make the action inherently evil or disgusting.
So if you believe incest is inherently wrong and disgusting, can you justify it without resorting to arguments of genetic disease and coercement?
i just think emotionally it messes with ur head not all incest relationships will want children, so there wont be genetic disease, so u cant always use that as an argument just like there isnt always coercement,
but emotionally and psychologialy how can it not damage u
im not sayin anything is wrong or disgustin, mayb theres just things i dont understand
Jamie, what if in years to come science found out that being in a incestual relationship would not effect the couple having deformed/disabled children to a high percentage. would you then be for such relationships if they were with consent of the two adults.
or what if in years to come science discovered that there is a gene which some people possess which make then naturally violent and they cannot help it. would you then be ok if these people were violent but the law did not prosecute them?
I don't expect gays to accept immoral behaviour but then again who is to say other forms of relationship are Immoral. How can gays say incestuous couples in loving relationship are immoral? How can they tske moral high groubd. Where do your morals come from? Are they inherent part of human nature, given to us through religious teachings or are they personal and made up as we go along.
This thread isn't about incestuous relationships - muslimlarki was trying to equate the two, I pointed out that they are not the same thing, yet everyone seems to be talking about incest! That's not the purpose - it is about an Imam blessing a gay couple!
My personal feeling about it is that if they want a blessing, then who are we to decide whether they should or shouldn't. Any sin is between them and God, and we should not judge. But there again I'm not a Muslim!
The language is problematic, what does blessing have to do with a Muslim marriage? There is no blessing in a Nikah and no Muslim has the power to bless anything. Witnesses are required at Islamic weddings and a Wali. There can be no wedding between two men Islamically anyway.
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