The Jewish Issue

[Muslimlarki]

you don't really hear average muslims talking about ethnic chinese, russians, serbians, etc in the same way they talk about jewish people.

there's a disproportionate focus on jews despite most of the problems in the muslim world being the result of interference from western countries with a christian heritage.

You mean Zionist not Jew They inter-use the term Jew when they really mean Zionist. Everyone should knows most zionists are idiotic evangelical Christians and other moron Christian branchs such Mormons that support the idea of a chosen people and God's salvation through them etc.

[Simmons Victory]

My own observations tell me that muslims in britain largely associate jewish people with zionism, israeli atrocities in palestine and various conspiracy theories about controlling the world.

It's not just UK Muslims but many others make similar associations.

Reading this post, do you have an instinctive negative reaction to the J word?

No

Do you think they are fairly or rationally characterised in conversations between ordinary muslims?

No, many Muslims simply generalise, Jews negatively portrayed in the Quran/hadith also play a part in this.

[Blueprint]

nasman does not know much on this topic.

Christian Evangelicals are so involved with Israel.

You mean Zionist not Jew They inter-use the term Jew when they really mean Zionist. Everyone should knows most zionists are idiotic evangelical Christians and other moron Christian branchs such Mormons that support the idea of a chosen people and God's salvation through them etc.

[Blueprint]

No, many Muslims simply generalise, Jews negatively portrayed in the Quran/hadith also play a part in this.

When it comes to Muslims talking about Jews, there are only two topics..

1. Jews and their reference (a negative one) in the Quran

2. Jews (i.e. Israel) and their involvement in oppressing Palestine

Sometimes you will find a Muslim who is actually more concerned about the destruction of Masjid Al Aqsa by Israeli hands, than the murder of masses of Muslim Palestinians by Israeli hands.

Many Muslims will say such and such a Muslim community is being killed by Non Muslims (ironically) because they are Un-Islamic.

[nasman]

No, many Muslims simply generalise, Jews negatively portrayed in the Quran/hadith also play a part in this.

so are you're saying that religious instruction by parents/madrassas/etc contribute to this generalisation?

[Simmons Victory]

so are you're saying that religious instruction by parents/madrassas/etc contribute to this generalisation?

Yes, I'm sure it plays a part, Islamic religious texts can easily be used to support anti Jewish sentiment.

[JerseyLily]

In what is termed modern anti semitism it is the actions of Israel which are the causing the problems. I live in a predominately Jewish area and other Jewish areas like say Stamford Hill don't have problems between Muslims and Jews although I believe there might have been one attack during cast lead in Golders Green. It is Israels actions which trigger anti Jewish sentiment not the Quran and Hadith.

[jamie]

In what is termed modern anti semitism it is the actions of Israel which are the causing the problems. I live in a predominately Jewish area and other Jewish areas like say Stamford Hill don't have problems between Muslims and Jews although I believe there might have been one attack during cast lead in Golders Green. It is Israels actions which trigger anti Jewish sentiment not the Quran and Hadith.

tbh jl its ppl like u even in this thread ur sayin all jews are guilty u have the problem

[fred]

tbh jl its ppl like u even in this thread ur sayin all jews are guilty u have the problem

I find that hard to argue with.

[JerseyLily]

The majority of Jews support Israel.

Muslims do not support a country there is no concept of nationalism in Islam. Muslims do not support the notion that one race is superior and that Muslim blood is more precious than anyone elses. Have a look how many Muslims are being killed (including children) not just in Palestine but in all countries where Israel and it's proxies have armies or drones and you will see hundreds of death but that news will not make it to the news and neither will you know their names or see their funerals on TV.

[Simmons Victory]

In what is termed modern anti semitism it is the actions of Israel which are the causing the problems. I live in a predominately Jewish area and other Jewish areas like say Stamford Hill don't have problems between Muslims and Jews although I believe there might have been one attack during cast lead in Golders Green. It is Israels actions which trigger anti Jewish sentiment not the Quran and Hadith.

My view is based within the context of 21st century UK Muslims and Palestine. When some of us seek a deeper understanding of events (situation in Palestine in this case) we tend to look toward religious texts. It's easy to correlate the negativity towards Jews in religious text with the actions of the state of israel. This can and does lead to a negative generalisation of Jews.

In reference to Quran/Ahadeeth, unless we gain a proper understanding we can pretty much justify anything. From forced marriage, wife beating and anti semitism to takfeerism and terrorism.

[fred]

The majority of Jews support Israel.

I keep asking you to prove that but, as with all bigoted crap, you just tell me I'm whatever rather than admit you lied.

[JerseyLily]

3/ you miss the role of the lobbies who influence so called anti terrorism policy both here and in the USA. We are all Palestinians.

[fred]

3/ you miss the role of the lobbies who influence so called anti terrorism policy both here and in the USA. We are all Palestinians.

I didn't request you tell us about the active pro Israel Jews in the states. We all know about them.
I asked you to produce links to reliable, non biased sites showing the majority of Jews support Israel and the mass murders in Palestine.

I'll have a go at using her logic:
The UK government supports Israel therefore the majority of UK nationals do - JL is a UK national, thus, she supports Israel.
Hell's bells, JL is a Zionist.

So far, several blusters but no evidence at all.
Perhaps JL can be helped by visiting this link but I'm unsure it works on the oral version of her problem.

[fred]

I love arguments.
To be effective, you have to research points made by other posters.
That, in turn, led me to this.



Jolly handy (if you have Android).

[Janissary]

The majority of Jews support Israel.

Muslims do not support a country there is no concept of nationalism in Islam. Muslims do not support the notion that one race is superior and that Muslim blood is more precious than anyone elses. Have a look how many Muslims are being killed (including children) not just in Palestine but in all countries where Israel and it's proxies have armies or drones and you will see hundreds of death but that news will not make it to the news and neither will you know their names or see their funerals on TV.

The majority of jews support Israel? where you get this from?