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    Default Islamic Society Fights for Prayer Space

    The Huffington Post reports:

    Tensions continue to run high at London's City University where the Islamic Society refuses to surrender its struggle for prayer space after months of disagreement with officials.



    Some Muslim students, upset at the lack of private space, began gathering in front of the main building in Northampton Square last month for prayers. Kneeling on large blue tarps, the sessions draw hundreds of men for Jumu'ah (Friday sermon), and gain attention from students and passersby.

    "Praying is like adding water to the trees," said Saleh Patel, President of the Islamic Society (iSoc), stressing the high-importance of prayer to the Islamist faith. "A person who doesn't pray, cannot truly call themselves a Muslim."

    During a press conference held Thursday, Patel addressed the public after advising fellow Muslims to avoid discussing the issue. He said the conference was meant to encourage dialogue and "to express our side of the argument."

    The Islington-based campus opened a multi-faith prayer facility in its main building after the Islamic prayer rooms in Gloucester Building were closed due to a November stabbing incident, which left one Muslim student with a fractured skull.

    Members of iSoc met with the university in December and discussed moving to a safer location in the center of campus. A tour was taken and iSoc claims the university promised four rooms in the main building, where instead, a multi-faith space opened.

    Patel gave credit to the university's efforts, but explained his stance that Muslims are able to pray in all but four places: graveyards, bathrooms, stables of camels, and buildings designated for the worship of other Gods other than Allah.

    City University defended its policy on prayer facilities saying they conferred with Muslim scholars over the multi-faith room and hoped the new space would help people to learn from each other. The space is a designated area for all faiths and offers two rooms with adjoining facilities for washing, according to Muslim religious custom.

    Acting Vice-Chancellor Julius Weinberg addressed the issue by sending a campus-wide e-mail on February 19th. He said: "Many of our Muslim students are using the new facilities, however, we are aware that some students still have concerns. We are in discussion with our student community and its representatives regarding the options available for prayer and reflection, our aim is to provide space for reflection and prayer for all our students, of any faith, or none."

    Yet according to iSoc, there have been no such discussions, and they claim requests for meetings have been ignored. The issue has spawned debate among students.

    "Maybe the university should consider a separate facility that could accommodate to their needs, as I know Muslim brothers and sisters use the rooms regularly for congregational prayers and Friday sermons," said Meliha Hayat, an undergraduate student at City University. "If the university were able to provide such facilities, then I think it will have successfully accommodated everyone's needs."

    City University later offered two smaller rooms for separate prayer, but iSoc said the rooms would not be able to accommodate hundreds of Muslims. Instead, they requested to have back their old space at Gloucester Building - an idea that was quickly rejected.

    John Tibble, Director of Student Services said: "It was a consensus between the police and the university and the Islamic Society that the prayer rooms should move." Explaining the lack of space on campus, he continued: "We've done something that was temporary and it was always a temporary solution to move prayer facilities out of Gloucester and to put them somewhere more central."

    During the press conference, Patel said they were upset that the Gloucester Building is still being used for classes. He said: "If it's unsafe for one group of people, it's unsafe for other groups."

    Patel then made his apologies to non-Muslims. "We apologize for any inconvenience, annoyance and noise pollution. It is not our fault we have been forced to pray outside. We simply want to pray. Is that too much to ask?"

    A meeting between iSoc and university officials has been scheduled for today. As for the outcome, Patel said: "Allah knows best."

    City University is based in central London and currently has more than 21,000 students enrolled from 156 countries.

    Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_508124.html

    Is the iSoc acting sensibly? They are causing inconvenience and friction by praying outside when they should try to have good relations with their university officials.

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    That's strange I have prayed in many multi faith rooms and even in hospital chapels, the prophet s.a.w. prayed in al masjid al haram when it was full of idols before Islam dominated and he was able to clear them.

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    I too am surprised at this bit:

    Patel gave credit to the university's efforts, but explained his stance that Muslims are able to pray in all but four places: graveyards, bathrooms, stables of camels, and buildings designated for the worship of other Gods other than Allah.
    As long as the rooms/buildings have neutral decor and have no symbols of other faiths, they would seem fine for doing salah in.

    Patel and co. seem HTesque in their views.

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    Default Muslim students in London university prayer room row



    Some Muslim students at City University in London are praying in the street in a row over prayer room facilities.

    The university closed a prayer room after Muslim students were attacked in November. A new multi-faith room was opened the following month.

    A group of Muslim students now refuse to use the facility as they say they cannot pray in a multi-faith room.

    The university says it goes against its philosophy to provide a room for just Islamic students.

    'Secular organisation'

    "We felt that the provision of a dedicated prayer facility to a sub-section of our Islamic students did not fit with our university's values," said Professor Julius Weinberg, who is the acting vice-chancellor at City University.

    "We're a secular organisation. Our university values statement says that we will not discriminate and having a dedicated prayer room actually went fundamentally against the core values of the organisation."

    The prayer room was moved for safety reasons after a group of Muslim students were attacked by local youths, in what police said was a racist incident.

    As well as worshipping on the street for the past few weeks, some students have also held prayers in lecture-rooms, corridors and the library.

    "Our needs have been taken away," said Saleh Patel, president of one of the Islamic societies at the university.

    "Our prayer room has been taken away. We've been forced to pray outside.

    "Our sisters have nowhere comfortable to go to. The prayer room used to be a place where they were comfortable and able to take off their veils."

    However, not all Muslims subscribe to that view and even City University's Islamic Society concedes that some Islamic scholars disagree with this interpretation.

    "There are many Muslim students belonging to another Islamic society who are very happy to use the shared faith facility we've provided and now feel more supported by the university," said Professor Weinberg.

    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8598455.stm

    Are the students acting responsibly?

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    What's wrong with multi-faith rooms? Bleedin luxury compared to some of the places I've prayed as a student.

    I think this particular group are going overboard.
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    have u been a muslim a long time
    dont be mad but u sound a bit old?

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    How much separate space will need to be found if every faith needs a single-faith area (and within that some may ask for single-sex areas)? A practical question, when there may not be enough room for classes/libraries and quiet study areas/tutorials and actual staff space..etc.?

    Separate-sex areas - how can this be addressed (how many faiths require one? - One mulit-faith area for men, and one for women?).

    If there's an issue about security in areas of the campus, then this needs identifying and addressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    have u been a muslim a long time
    Depends on what you regard as a long time, I guess.

    dont be mad but u sound a bit old?
    I'm 23; just not necessarily in base 10
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    Well I always found it weird that they had to close the original place done JUST because someone got attacked. With that logic then they shouldn't bother with faith rooms for anyone in the first place, if they believe that is what made the attackers commit to their actions.

    Let alone what the police should have done about the incident.

    I hope they don't try to go overboard with it, as Muzzylogic says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzylogic View Post
    Depends on what you regard as a long time, I guess.



    I'm 23; just not necessarily in base 10
    oops i thought u were really about 40

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    You were close:

    23h == 35

    Don't they teach number bases in school any more?
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    yeh but ur a walkin calculator nerd type

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    I'm just shocked that 'huffington post' is an actual newspaper.

    Is this part of the new Harry Potter movie

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