Terror attack on US flight to Detroit foiled

[Muntasir]

We thank God that this lunatic was not able to carry out mass murder on a flight to Detroit.

These lunatics are a direct product of extremist salafist DIY 'fatwas.'

These murderous actions have no basis in the religion of Islam.

Murder has and will always be a grave sin in the sight of Allah.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...b-plot-detroit

[Abdullah Ali]

Akhi, you still never directed me to your post (or at least I didn't see it) where you describe/detail what an extremist is.

[mareyah]

There is no reason to bring the term Islam into such evil actions of fools esp of this particular chap.

What a waste of space and life

[Muntasir]

Akhi, you still never directed me to your post (or at least I didn't see it) where you describe/detail what an extremist is.

yeah you do have a problem grasping what an extremist is dont you.

[Muntasir]

There is no reason to bring the term Islam into such evil actions of fools this particular chap.

What a waste of space and life

you dont think extremist sects have a role in churning out these people?
This guy was a student of engineering in UCL, and instead of building things to serve his people he goes and tries to murder 200 people.
How does he end up there?
Extremist salafist 'fatwas.'

[mareyah]

you dont think extremist sects have a role in churning out these people?
This guy was a student of engineering in UCL, and instead of building things to serve his people he goes and tries to murder 200 people.
How does he end up there?
Extremist salafist 'fatwas.'

Those who are extreme, fall out of the paradigm of Islamic teachings..I do not think they should be affiliated to Islam, period.

Islam is Islam, sects and nonsense like that are not part of Islam.

As for salafis, my cousin sister follows the salaf ways which quite frankly is nothing but Islam perhaps a little more strict than I would practice, and in my humble opinion there is nothing extreme or callous of her actions, rather it is very humbling.

So whatever this nutjob has done or rather wished to action is nothing but satanic. End of.

[Abdullah Ali]

yeah you do have a problem grasping what an extremist is dont you.

Your defintion of one I do yes. Maybe it is partly down to you making sweeping statements and never providing any detail as to what you mean (or at least directing me to the information you have 'already' provided).

[Muntasir]

Those who are extreme, fall out of the paradigm of Islamic teachings..I do not think they should be affiliated to Islam, period.

Islam is Islam, sects and nonsense like that are not part of Islam.

As for salafis, my cousin sister follows the salaf ways which quite frankly is nothing but Islam perhaps a little more strict than I would practice, and in my humble opinion there is nothing extreme or callous of her actions, rather it is very humbling.

So whatever this nutjob has done or rather wished to action is nothing but satanic. End of.

Why do you suppose all advocates of extremism are salafis?

[mareyah]

Why do you suppose all advocates of extremism are salafis?

Bin Laden ?

Really?

[Muntasir]

Bin Laden ?

Really?

yes he is a salafi so is zahwairi, zarqawi, abu qatadah, abu hamza, omar bakri, anjem chaudary, awlaki

i could go on.

here is something to consider to understand the clear link:

http://www.salafimedia.net/

[Abdullah Ali]

yes he is a salafi so is zahwairi, zarqawi, abu qatadah, abu hamza, omar bakri, anjem chaudary, awlaki

i could go on.

here is something to consider:

http://www.salafimedia.net/

You ought to be careful, some may see that as 'promoting extremism'. The foolishness.


Muntasir, do you believe there are extremists who are not Salafi?
It already seems quite clear that you believe all salafis are extremists.

[Muntasir]

You ought to be careful, some may see that as 'promoting extremism'. The foolishness.


Muntasir, do you believe there are extremists who are not Salafi?
It already seems quite clear that you believe all salafis are extremists.

all modern day khwarijtes are salafis.
Not all salafis are, however khwarijtes.

I would be promoting it, if I didnt clearly condemn it.
I would be promoting it if I said 'nice talk'

which is what you do my friend.

[mareyah]

or that maybe these chaps are using salafi way as a means of escape? Salaf has hardly been something the west has enjoyed..its apparent affiliation with wahhabism/saudi dictatorship etc etc...

I think going back to the basics is important, what salafism is etc...to momentarily accept Anjum and co's statement that they are salafis..is hardly justifiable.

[Abdullah Ali]

all modern day khwarijtes are salafis.
Not all salafis are, however khwarijtes.

I would be promoting it, if I didnt clearly condemn it.
I would be promoting it if I said 'nice talk'

which is what you do my friend.

You need to define extremism - what you believe it to mean.

[Muntasir]

or that maybe these chaps are using salafi way as a means of escape? Salaf has hardly been something the west has enjoyed..its apparent affiliation with wahhabism/saudi dictatorship etc etc...

I think going back to the basics is important, what salafism is etc...to momentarily accept Anjum and co's statement that they are salafis..is hardly justifiable.

When the salafi movement was created it rejected orthodox Islam and rebelled against the Khilafah.
It labelled sunni muslims as kufar and killed them in their thousands.
when it seized power with the saudi clan, its scholars changed the fatwas to protect the new found kingship.
Not all salafis bought into the new apolitical version designed to protect the saudi kingship, these one continued on the footsteps of the founder of salafism and continue killing innocent people in a bid to 'establish' their warped version of Islam, which has never existed in islamic history.

So the roots of extremism and violence are there.

Those commiting terrorism follow this extremism which was foretold by The Prophet (saw) and muslims were warned about it.