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    Someone the other day said - 'the afghan is well trained, well disciplined, reasonably effective and contain men of honour' - But in reality the afghan army is a total sham as the following article shows:...



    Afghanistan’s Sham Army

    Success in Afghanistan is measured in Washington by the ability to create an indigenous army that will battle the Taliban, provide security and stability for Afghan civilians and remain loyal to the puppet government of Hamid Karzai. A similar task eluded the Red Army, although the Soviets spent a decade attempting to pacify the country. It eluded the British a century earlier. And the United States, too, will fail.

    American military advisers who work with the Afghan National Army, or ANA, speak of poorly trained and unmotivated Afghan soldiers who have little stomach for military discipline and even less for fighting.ANA units as being filled with brigands who terrorize local populations, exacting payments and engaging in intimidation, rape and theft. They describe many They contend that the ANA is riddled with Taliban sympathizers. And when there are combined American and Afghan operations against the Taliban insurgents, ANA soldiers are fickle and unreliable combatants, the U.S. advisers say.

    American military commanders in Afghanistan, rather than pump out statistics about enemy body counts, measure progress by the swelling size of the ANA. The bigger the ANA, the better we are supposedly doing. The pressure on trainers to increase the numbers of the ANA means that training and vetting of incoming Afghan recruits is nearly nonexistent.

    The process of induction for Afghan soldiers begins at the Kabul Military Training Center. American instructors at the Kabul center routinely complain of shortages of school supplies such as whiteboards, markers and paper. They often have to go to markets and pay for these supplies on their own or do without them. Instructors are pressured to pass all recruits and graduate many who have been absent for a third to half the training time. Most are inducted into the ANA without having mastered rudimentary military skills.

    “Afghan soldiers leave the KMTC grossly unqualified,” this lieutenant, who remains on active duty, said. “American mentors do what they can to try and fix these problems, but their efforts are blocked by pressure from higher, both in Afghan and American chains of command, to pump out as many soldiers as fast as possible.”

    “I served the first half of my tour at the Kabul Military Training Center, where I was part of a small team working closely with the ANA to set up the country’s first officer basic course for newly commissioned Afghan lieutenants,” a U.S. Army first lieutenant who was deployed last year and who asked not to be identified by name told me. “During the second half of my tour, I left Kabul’s military schoolhouse and was reassigned to an embedded tactical training team, or ETT team, to help stand up a new Afghan logistics battalion in Herat.”

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    Someone the other day said
    'the afghan is well trained, well disciplined, reasonably effective and contain men of honour'
    Can you please provide the source of the quote so one can determine the context in which it was said and by whom , ie who 'Someone' is . Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by europa View Post
    Can you please provide the source of the quote so one can determine the context in which it was said and by whom , ie who 'Someone' is . Thanks

    http://forum.mpacuk.org/showpost.php...9&postcount=16

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    you beat me to it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    Someone the other day said - 'the afghan is well trained, well disciplined, reasonably effective and contain men of honour' - But in reality the afghan army is a total sham as the following article shows:...



    Afghanistan’s Sham Army

    Success in Afghanistan is measured in Washington by the ability to create an indigenous army that will battle the Taliban, provide security and stability for Afghan civilians and remain loyal to the puppet government of Hamid Karzai. A similar task eluded the Red Army, although the Soviets spent a decade attempting to pacify the country. It eluded the British a century earlier. And the United States, too, will fail.

    American military advisers who work with the Afghan National Army, or ANA, speak of poorly trained and unmotivated Afghan soldiers who have little stomach for military discipline and even less for fighting.ANA units as being filled with brigands who terrorize local populations, exacting payments and engaging in intimidation, rape and theft. They describe many They contend that the ANA is riddled with Taliban sympathizers. And when there are combined American and Afghan operations against the Taliban insurgents, ANA soldiers are fickle and unreliable combatants, the U.S. advisers say.

    American military commanders in Afghanistan, rather than pump out statistics about enemy body counts, measure progress by the swelling size of the ANA. The bigger the ANA, the better we are supposedly doing. The pressure on trainers to increase the numbers of the ANA means that training and vetting of incoming Afghan recruits is nearly nonexistent.

    The process of induction for Afghan soldiers begins at the Kabul Military Training Center. American instructors at the Kabul center routinely complain of shortages of school supplies such as whiteboards, markers and paper. They often have to go to markets and pay for these supplies on their own or do without them. Instructors are pressured to pass all recruits and graduate many who have been absent for a third to half the training time. Most are inducted into the ANA without having mastered rudimentary military skills.

    “Afghan soldiers leave the KMTC grossly unqualified,” this lieutenant, who remains on active duty, said. “American mentors do what they can to try and fix these problems, but their efforts are blocked by pressure from higher, both in Afghan and American chains of command, to pump out as many soldiers as fast as possible.”

    “I served the first half of my tour at the Kabul Military Training Center, where I was part of a small team working closely with the ANA to set up the country’s first officer basic course for newly commissioned Afghan lieutenants,” a U.S. Army first lieutenant who was deployed last year and who asked not to be identified by name told me. “During the second half of my tour, I left Kabul’s military schoolhouse and was reassigned to an embedded tactical training team, or ETT team, to help stand up a new Afghan logistics battalion in Herat.”

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    Riddled with Taliban sympathisers! They don't get it do they that some people want to be governed by Islam to get rid of the corruption and the rape etc

    Poor Americans have no white boards - well I heard that no supplies of school writing books have entered Gaza for two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by europa View Post
    Can you please provide the source of the quote so one can determine the context in which it was said and by whom , ie who 'Someone' is . Thanks
    It was me europa, comparing them to the ANP.

    Chris (Benson&) Hedges just quotes a bit of annecdotal but the truth is that the ANA lead about 40% of their operations now, and are trained by fellow afghans.

    Perceptions have changed greatly in the last year and Hedges is just playing to the gallery.

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    It was me europa, comparing them to the ANP
    . In that context, it makes perfect sense and I do agree that
    Hedges is just playing to the gallery
    . He has identified himself as a "socialist" in contrast to what he sees as "ruthless totalitarian capitalism."

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    watch this video..... of US troops training the cream of the afghan army....
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/vide...istan-military


    it is well known, even by the US admin that the afghan army are totally useless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAPrayer View Post
    It was me europa, comparing them to the ANP.
    if you were comparing them to the afghan police then the police would come about far better by a single degree....

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