Damning report on Afghan Police

[europa]

On days when almost every news bulletin brings grim news of more deaths of young British soldiers, surely the question needs to be asked. especially by those of you who are british: - how can they hope to instil anything close to a trusted civil force , given the appalling calibre of Afghan police recruits, as described in the following article ?

The soldier said: "It was difficult just getting them to a basic level, to do things like man a post. "They would take drugs, go to sleep, leave their post, have sex with each other. Very few were vigilant or alert."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-take-drugs.do

A recent article documented the fact that they can't be trusted alone in villages from which the Taliban have been driven out because of their practice of raping young village boys. http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/...-us-uk-troops/

[Seperatist]

On days when almost every news bulletin brings grim news of more deaths of young British soldiers, surely the question needs to be asked. especially by those of you who are british: - how can they hope to instil anything close to a trusted civil force , given the appalling calibre of Afghan police recruits, as described in the following article ?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-take-drugs.do

A recent article documented the fact that they can't be trusted alone in villages from which the Taliban have been driven out because of their practice of raping young village boys. http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/...-us-uk-troops/

The answer to that question is never....leave now, the invasion of Afghnistan has been a waste of effort, time, lives and most importantly MOOLAH!

[JerseyLily]

On days when almost every news bulletin brings grim news of more deaths of young British soldiers, surely the question needs to be asked. especially by those of you who are british: - how can they hope to instil anything close to a trusted civil force , given the appalling calibre of Afghan police recruits, as described in the following article ?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-take-drugs.do

A recent article documented the fact that they can't be trusted alone in villages from which the Taliban have been driven out because of their practice of raping young village boys. http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/...-us-uk-troops/

Indeed Europa I will tell you what the problem is, they can only attract the dregs of society into the police force that is why. No self respecting man of honour would possibly volunteer for the job of working to protect a corrupt puppet government in Afghanistan. Unless you are even more deluded than I thought and you believe the police are there to protect the ordinary Afghans. So they have to make do with the junkies and perverts.

[purebob]

No self respecting man of honour would possibly volunteer for the job of working to protect a corrupt puppet government in Afghanistan

So you aver that there are decent men, capable of being GOOD policemen in villages standing by while village children are raped, and the poor people plundered by bribes because they think it is the MORAL HIGH GROUND so to do because preventing such abuse could be seen to support Karzai's discredited government ?

If it was MY village I'd volunteer as anything that could give my neighbours justice, while working politically for a fairer government.

Do you not think that might just be a better strategy for all these good men in Afghanistan rather than sitting back and letting it happen ?

[JerseyLily]

So you aver that there are decent men, capable of being GOOD policemen in villages standing by while village children are raped, and the poor people plundered by bribes because they think it is the MORAL HIGH GROUND so to do because preventing such abuse could be seen to support Karzai's discredited government ?

If it was MY village I'd volunteer as anything that could give my neighbours justice, while working politically for a fairer government.

Do you not think that might just be a better strategy for all these good men in Afghanistan rather than sitting back and letting it happen ?

Exactly the reason why many people prefer the Taliban.

Mind you a lot of these reports are a bit over the top I mean I am sure if you went around the villages raping and pillaging there would be swift justice Afghan style.

[purebob]

Mind you a lot of these reports are a bit over the top I mean I am sure if you went around the villages raping and pillaging there would be swift justice Afghan style.

Who would deliver the " swift justice Afghan style" ? These same " decent men" who stand by and let the rapes and corruption occur for want of volunteering as police ?

Villagers BEG the occupying forces for help in combating the rapes and corruption yet they do NOTHING. In desperation, not love do the villages ask the taliban to help them.

Your positive view of the Taliban is not supported by much of the reporting I have read JL. Thoug of course it is all zionist, right ?

[JerseyLily]

Who would deliver the " swift justice Afghan style" ? These same " decent men" who stand by and let the rapes and corruption occur for want of volunteering as police ?

Villagers BEG the occupying forces for help in combating the rapes and corruption yet they do NOTHING. In desperation, not love do the villages ask the taliban to help them.

Your positive view of the Taliban is not supported by much of the reporting I have read JL. Thoug of course it is all zionist, right ?

P.B. there are two extremes in muslim nations, there is either the western backed president who has the wealth of the nation in his pocket i.e. Egypt - Saudi - Afghanistan - Pakistan etc etc or you get the Islamic government which clears up the corruption, enforces moral behaviour briefly before being bombed out of existance by USA like Somalia, Afghanistan Palestine and nearly Algeria. Either way civilians are caught in the middle of having to choose between being bombed or corruption.

[purebob]

Either way civilians are caught in the middle of having to choose between being bombed or corruption.

No. Good men could choose to stand up for righteousness in their own communities. They stand a risk of being blown up by fellow Afghans if they do, but its the only way to begin to rebuild that nation IMO.

I couldn't stand by and let my neighbours kids be raped.

[Illuminate]

Indeed Europa I will tell you what the problem is, they can only attract the dregs of society into the police force that is why. No self respecting man of honour would possibly volunteer for the job of working to protect a corrupt puppet government in Afghanistan. Unless you are even more deluded than I thought and you believe the police are there to protect the ordinary Afghans. So they have to make do with the junkies and perverts.

this sums it all up very well...

Purebob - afghan is tribal country, ppl turn to local custom and courts to settle disputes including criminal acts...

It seems the afghan police force is made up off ex-cons release from prison earlier....

[JerseyLily]

No. Good men could choose to stand up for righteousness in their own communities. They stand a risk of being blown up by fellow Afghans if they do, but its the only way to begin to rebuild that nation IMO.

I couldn't stand by and let my neighbours kids be raped.

Sadly Afghans are a brutalised people after years and years of war, pray for them.

[purebob]

this sums it all up very well...

Purebob - afghan is tribal country, ppl turn to local custom and courts to settle disputes including criminal acts...

It seems the afghan police force is made up off ex-cons release from prison earlier....

Lumi does that excuse good men in these villages tolerating their children being raped and their traders plundered by bribes ?

[purebob]

Sadly Afghans are a brutalised people after years and years of war, pray for them.

So how can it be fixed ? Hope is not a plan.

What is the plan to build a righteous Afghanistan ?

[JerseyLily]

Lumi does that excuse good men in these villages tolerating their children being raped and their traders plundered by bribes ?

You know Bob that before the Taliban there was bribery everywhere and road blocks where you had to cough up, they stopped all of that.

I doubt that anyone would tolerate their kids being raped without taking arms and going to sort it out they are proud people.

[Illuminate]

Lumi does that excuse good men in these villages tolerating their children being raped and their traders plundered by bribes ?

off course it doesn't that is why many villagers turning to taliban... this is the only thing they can do....

these children are raped by the afghan police force who are protected by the occupying forces - so they get away with it......

[JerseyLily]

So how can it be fixed ? Hope is not a plan.

What is the plan to build a righteous Afghanistan ?

Well Karzai is dead in the water as he is totally corrupt and has no influence outside of Kabul where he is protected by NATO.

The Afghans need a religious leadership along the lines of Taliban but more organised.

[NotAPrayer]

Indeed Europa I will tell you what the problem is, they can only attract the dregs of society into the police force that is why. No self respecting man of honour would possibly volunteer for the job of working to protect a corrupt puppet government in Afghanistan. Unless you are even more deluded than I thought and you believe the police are there to protect the ordinary Afghans. So they have to make do with the junkies and perverts.

On the other hand you could look at the Afghan National Army, well trained, well disciplined, reasonably effective, possibly containing 'men of honour', rather than the dregs.

[JerseyLily]

On the other hand you could look at the Afghan National Army, well trained, well disciplined, reasonably effective, possibly containing 'men of honour', rather than the dregs.

Thanks for that NotaPrayer I didn't even realise that there was an Afghan National army.............. so I googled it and guess what came up

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news...bc60b5a2256bbb

How come your post contrasts so sharply with what this very recent article is saying?

Or where you just talking through the "hole in your pants" as R.B.J,. would say!!

[Illuminate]

suitcase full of dollars to afghan warlords - like dostrum, keeps the corrupt afghan army going....

[JerseyLily]

suitcase full of dollars to afghan warlords - like dostrum, keeps the corrupt afghan army going....

That man is a very nasty piece of work. Changing sides, killing and kidnapping Afghans AuzoBillah! He came back recently to Afghanistan to support Karzai, who needs enemies when you have friends like that??

[NotAPrayer]

Thanks for that NotaPrayer I didn't even realise that there was an Afghan National army.............. so I googled it and guess what came up

You judge the Afghan men without even realising they had an army???

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news...bc60b5a2256bbb

How come your post contrasts so sharply with what this very recent article is saying?

Or where you just talking through the "hole in your pants" as R.B.J,. would say!!

It doesn't relate at all to what I said about how the ANA contrasts with the ANP, although did you see this bit down at the bottom?

"Last month, Akaz Daily, a Saudi Arabian newspaper told the story of an 11-year-old child named Eidullah, who was given a bag of flour by insurgents to deliver as a gift to a regional Afghan military commander.

What Eidulla didn't know, was that the bag was packed with explosives. The bag prematurely detonated, blowing one of the boy's legs off."

And you support these guys and want them in power?