Meet the English Defence League

**dark_knight** · 06-09-2009, 02:23 PM

Meet the English Defence League Leadership

Posted on September 3, 2009 by Richard Bartholomew

A YouTube channel belonging to Paul Ray carries a three-part interview with three men in balaclavas who are apparently the leadership of the “English Defence League“. The interview takes place in what appears to be the ruins of a castle or abbey; this is doubtless another bit of romantic Crusader medievalism (an obsession of the “anti-Jihadi” movement as a whole), but it means that the microphone is seriously affected by wind, making parts of the video virtually inaudible. [UPDATE: The interviewer is Martin Mawyer, who runs the Christian Action Network - see here]. The speaker on the right does most of the talking, with occasional input from the guy in the middle. The person on the left doesn’t have anything to say.

The main speaker complains that his home town is being taken over by Muslims, who, he claims, have a birth rate of 10 children per family. He says that on occasions of one minute silences in the town “any Asians” will deliberately make noise, and that they yearly celebrate 9/11. He also objects to Muslims “infiltrating” the local council and government, and suggests that they make decisions to close down churches and turn them into mosques, and to ban St. George’s Day parades while allowing extremist events. Further, he alleges that the police arrested protestors from across all the local estates as a strategy in order to discourage further protests, and that the arrests were in the form of raids in which doors were smashed open.

He also describes the antics of Anjem Choudary, in particular the recent incident in which a bewildered white 11-year-old passerby was “persuaded” to convert to Islam at one of Choudary’s roadshow events. In particular, he believes Choudary should be arrested for incitement for having a banner which reads “Jesus was a Muslim”. The speaker in the middle, meanwhile, says that his friend had been stabbed to death by 10 “Pakistani Muslims”. He also complains that while white locals know better than to use the word “Paki”, local Muslims use the word “kaffir”. This is unlike Paul Ray’s view: Ray insists that “Paki” is neutral, like “Brit”, and the only people claiming it to be offensive are Muslim extemists.
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/200...ue-leadership/

click on spiritofstgeorge's Channel to view the videos

**Mikebloke** · 06-09-2009, 05:54 PM

This is just like the Ministers of the "Republic of Iraq" group with the white circles over their faces that I make fun of at Islamic Awakening.

Anyone who doesn't show their face should not be taken seriously, if they aren't prepared to fight head on in the light, what does that say about their own concious?

**dark_knight** · 06-09-2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mikebloke

This is just like the Ministers of the "Republic of Iraq" group with the white circles over their faces that I make fun of at Islamic Awakening.

Anyone who doesn't show their face should not be taken seriously, if they aren't prepared to fight head on in the light, what does that say about their own concious?

what does that say about their intentions?

**dark_knight** · 07-09-2009, 05:45 PM

videos have been removed by user

why am i not suprised!

**dark_knight** · 07-09-2009, 05:57 PM

a little bit more about was said on that interview

In the interview with Mawyer (part one here), the main EDL speaker complains that his home town is being taken over by Muslims, who, he claims, have a birth rate of 10 children per family. He says that on occasions of one minute silences in the town "any Asians" will deliberately make noise, and that they yearly celebrate 9/11. He also objects to Muslims "infiltrating" the local council and government, and suggests that they make decisions to close down churches and turn them into mosques, and to ban St. George's Day parades while allowing extremist events.

The speaker also describes the antics of a British Muslim extremist named Anjem Choudary; Choudary generates constant media attention from his various stunts and provocations - most notoriously, he celebrates the 9/11 hijackers as the "Magnificent 19", and it was his protest against returning British soldiers in Luton in March which generated the heat that has led to the creation of the the EDL. Recently, a bewildered white 11-year-old passerby was "persuaded" to convert to Islam in a city centre, and the speaker refers to this incident. The speaker also believes Choudary should be arrested for incitement for having a banner which reads "Jesus was a Muslim".

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/5/4210/98585

**dark_knight** · 07-09-2009, 06:25 PM

Exposed! The EDL and Its Zionist Connection

Birmingham police lost control of a fascist demonstration in the City Centre on Saturday. The march organised by the Islamophobic English Defence League quickly spilled out of control as hundreds of EDL thugs bussed in from all over the country marched in the city and broke away from the two sites designated for the march, provoking violent clashes with local people and anti-fascist demonstrators. They threw bricks and bottles at the locals and chanted racist and Islamophobic abuse as they marched towards New Street in the city centre. Their ruse is that they were marching against 'extremism' but their motives were soon revealed by their racist chanting and by the unfurling of an Israeli flag by the EDL skinheads.

The connection between the EDL and Zionists is not a surprising one to Muslims. They make natural bedfellows since they both believe in racist ideas such as racial superiority and target Muslims and Islam as their enemy. This year saw a similar march descend into violent clashes in Birmingham and Luton. How many more clashes before the Birmingham police take their job seriously and ban future EDL marches in the city? It is the job of police to prevent such violent disorder.

an article from MPACUK

and just to add to this article, see below a letter from Israel found on EDL forum

Hello

My name is Fima, and I'm from Israel.

I saw the riots on skynews, and therefore decided to enter
EDL's website.

I want to tell you that it hurts for me too see that a mighty nation
like England overflowing with muslim extremists which are backed up
by liberal ultra-left wing poticians, and is about to loose it's freedom.
It was enough for me to visit Hethro airport and see that there are very
few English people over there, and mostly Pakistany, Aljiiry,etc...

I am not fascist but I do oppose Islamic fundamentalism which is slowly taking over many countries in Europe, including England, in which "Mohammed" is, at the moment, the second most common name.

We have exactly the same problem in Israel and the streets in many
cities are not safe anymore because of arab youngs which feel free to do
whatever they want. Only two weeks ago a father, sitting on the beach in Tel-Aviv with his family was beaten to death by arabs after they harassed his young daughter.

The police can hardly do anything because they are afraid of the Israeli liberal justice system which ties their hands together.

I wish you luck in your struggle and hope that with yours and your movement's help, the English people will open their eyes before "Mohammed" will become the first most common name..

Fima

P.S. I saw Israeli flags held by your supporters in the riots.
Do you have Israelis among all the others in your movement?

**Irreligion** · 08-09-2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Mikebloke

Anyone who doesn't show their face should not be taken seriously, if they aren't prepared to fight head on in the light, what does that say about their own concious?

some may disagree with that statement on here

**jamie** · 08-09-2009, 12:30 PM

i never heard of them till i saw a link in this place
looks like u have to have a fat beer belly to join so thats def me out then

**JerseyLily** · 08-09-2009, 12:38 PM

We are supporting March for England on this Demonstration.

Hezbollah, yes the Muslim Terrorist organisation, and its supporters are due to be staging a March through Central London this coming Sunday 13th Sept.

Like i have said above, March for England will be organising this Demo, but the English Defence League will be supporting them fully. If an anti Terrorist organisation (EDL) can be banned from Marching in Luton, or even denied the right to Protest in Birmingham, then how can this be permitted to take place by our Government, especially in London. This is yet another display from our spineless Government.

Please tell whoever you know about this event. We need to show these murdering scum that they are not welcome here, them and their supporters.

We are told to integrate with these idiots. Im sure David Cameron will be urging people to join the Hezbollah March, just as he told us it is our fault that some Muslims don't integrate with us, WE need to make more of an effort!

If this is not causing division................

We hope to see you all there on Sunday!

Regards,
EDL

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/

**dark_knight** · 08-09-2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by jamie

i never heard of them till i saw a link in this place
looks like u have to have a fat beer belly to join so thats def me out then

lol!

ur too young to have a fat belly

ur way too cool for that

**jamie** · 08-09-2009, 06:02 PM

yeh i dont drink anyway

these ppl tho arent interested in england all they wanna do is fite and they dont care who with

**dark_knight** · 08-09-2009, 06:04 PM

unfortunately

**dark_knight** · 10-09-2009, 05:51 PM

True face of the English Defence League

Member of the English Defence League sieg hails as he is escorted onto a bus by police and prevented from marching in Birmingham against Islamic Extremism.

click the link above to see

also see

**Aky786Journalist** · 11-09-2009, 05:41 PM

The EDL look like a group of football hooligans who've been banned from attending games and have thought of another hobby. BBC News had an interview with some members of EDL, just sounds like trouble makers tbh. All this we're against Islamic extremism rubbish is just a cover to cause trouble, chaos and violence just for the kick of it.

**people of the book** · 11-09-2009, 05:48 PM

http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/ has been very fair in his assessment of the EDL, 'Lionheart' and associated groups/people. Give some time to reading through what he has to say - very informative, and worth knowing, so we know what we're up against in the fight against intolerance, fascism, and infringement of our religious liberties.

I recently posted a couple of blog entries (here and here) about what happened when members of the English Defence League showed up at a restaurant in London where Robert Spencer was preparing to dine with some British conservative “anti-Jihadi” types, in particular Adrian Morgan and Douglas Murray. Spencer was in town with a couple of members of the Virginia-based Christian Action Network; the day before, CAN director Michael Mawyer had conducted an interview with three balaclava-wearing EDL leaders, and his associate Jason Campbell (with whom Spencer had taken “strolls into a few mosques”) decided to invite them along.
However, Spencer’s British contacts were not pleased to discover at the restaurant that they were about to share a table with the EDL, and, as Adrian Morgan delicately put it, “Tensions between some of the anti-jihadist factions who had all been kindly invited by Jason to a meal caused splitting of the groups and confusion”. Extrication was eased, though, because, according to Spencer, the restaurant management had asked the party to leave anyway just before the EDL showed up , on account of the subject matter of their conversation.

http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/200...dl-dine-alone/

**dark_knight** · 13-09-2009, 03:47 PM

Chaotic alliance of far right groups stirs up trouble on streets

The rise of the English Defence League, whose protests against Islamism have sparked violent city centre clashes, has been chaotic but rapid.

Three months ago, no one had heard of the EDL. But the organisation has risen to prominence in a spate of civil unrest in which far-right activists, football hooligans and known racists have fought running battles with Asian youths. The leadership insists they are not racist and just want to "peacefully protest against militant Islam".

Yet at EDL events, skinheads have raised Nazi salutes and other EDL supporters have chanted racist slogans such as "I hate Pakis more than you". One protest in Luton in May ended with scores of people attacking Asian businesses, smashing cars and threatening passersby.

Insiders have talked of plans to enlist football fans to march for the cause on the basis that "you need an army for a war".
Guardian, 12 September 2009

See also "Minister warns of 1930s-style fascists on Britain's streets", Guardian, 12 September 2009

**dark_knight** · 14-09-2009, 06:47 PM

Today on the EDL forum

Northstand 7:13 PM 13/09/2009
The govenment arent listening, peacefull protests arent working,what will happen when the state of affairs get worse.

Illegal counter terrorists? Similar to the IRA?

I wouldnt be suprised to see mosques blown up and muslims murdered in England soon.

Sooner or later people will snap and i can see it happening, the govenment will have no one to blame but themselves unless they start to listen while its being done peacefully.

Cythraul 8:03 PM 13/09/2009

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy

...unfortunately. It may not be the EDL who do so, but it will be all of the suppressed BNP voters, EDL marchers, internet bloggers etc. There are millions of us who essentially want the same thing - our country back! If the establishment continues to crack down with their totalitarian methods, preventing us from having a voice, they'll inevitably force some of us to revolt.

History is built on revolutions, and indeed:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."
Thomas Jefferson

the same Cythraul who them the

HEALTH, FITNESS & PREPARATION

Cythraul Aug 29 2009, 01:19 PM

Yes, we're non-violent. However, I strongly recommend that we all dedicate some time and effort to getting in shape. When a mob of militant Muslims attack a lone Englishman he needs to be able to run far and fast. When we're attacked and forced to defend ourselves, we need to be physically capable. And when the government inevitably decides we're not allowed to express our patriotism, we need to be able to stand up to the footsoldiers.

Learn a martial art, lift some weights, go running, eat good, organic food. Limit the beer, cut out the body-destroying drugs and say goodbye to McDonalds.

I say this because those violent Muslims who hate us and our country are often in shape and don't consume alcohol and drugs. They already think they're better and stronger than us. The Muslim population in this country is largely young and hungry for violence. Remember - many of them come from a culture which is far more ready for conflict than England has been in many decades.

remember my last post

Originally Posted by dark_knight

this gives weight to an undenaible fact that these protests are anything but "peaceful" and are designed to create civil unrest, tension and increase in hate. A little something afew individuals tried to do a while ago...
Bomb seizures spark far-right terror plot fear...albiet they had "rocket launchers, grenades, pipe bombs and dozens of firearms" and "chemicals" but the aim was the same...chaos!

**people of the book** · 14-09-2009, 09:49 PM

http://current.com/items/90919637_fa...birmingham.htm

The EDL, who claim they are not a racist organisation or linked to the BNP or other fascist groups, attempted to march through Birmingham city centre, but clashes with anti-fascists quickly halted this.

A Birmingham BNP councilor was hit with eggs from the anti-fascist crowd.

Riot police were brought in to contain a large section of the EDL in a pub. But the rear fire exited was not covered, EDL members broke out and hurled bottles at a growing crowd of counter protestors.

The initial clashes caused police to commandeer two buses and remove the EDL and Casuals United from the city centre. 90 arrests were made and the EDL found themselves bused to the neighbouring town of Coventry.

Warning: This film has caught EDL protestors making racist chants and Sieg Heiling which some may find offensive.

**dark_knight** · 17-09-2009, 05:43 PM

Cythraul Sep 13 2009, 11:29 AM

A lot of our opponents keep making the same argument that only a tiny, tiny minority of Muslims are prepared to bomb or attack innocent people, therefore we're wrong for protesting.

Truth is: NON-VIOLENT forms of Islamic Extremism are JUST AS DANGEROUS and we really need to highlight these points just as much as we do violent extremism. Sharia courts, women's rights, halal slaughter methods, community segregation, supermosques, special treatment (by police, laws, leisure facilities) and so on... these things are, in my eyes, extremist. They are signs that some Muslims don't want to compromise and adapt to the British way of life. These things, along with high birthrates, are also FAR MORE of a danger to this country, ultimately, than violent terrorism.

so expect a "protest" cos you gave birth to a healthy baby

yes, there you have it we are all extremist as stated by paul ray earlier