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    The Death Of Respect In Modern Britain....


    David Cameron thinks Britain is broken. But Gordon Brown has said: "This country has never been broken by anyone or anything."

    In the current political climate, it is proving hard to have a sensible debate about such an important issue.

    The BBC tried to open up the debate with the first of two programmes on BBC Two called The Death of Respect.

    I have my own experiences of bad behaviour that I can safely say "wouldn't have happened in my day". (And before you groan, let me also say that there were lots of bad things that did happen in my day that mercifully no longer do).

    I have a daughter aged 10 at primary school. One of her classmates regularly humiliates an overweight teacher, calling her, "you blob" or "flubber" in front of the entire class. He also hits his teachers.

    There is a regime in place to try to "manage his anger" but it is not working.

    Some boys in my daughter's class swear at people to insult them, and this is not a primary school which teaches children are drawn from the ranks of the poor and dispossessed.

    I was travelling home late at night on the London tube when two girls and two boys in their late teens got on and started talking about the merits of masturbation.

    They were loud and boorish, but not drunk, and they were completely oblivious to the impact on their fellow passengers.

    I live in a relatively quiet street off a main road. One night at about midnight, as I was trying to go to sleep, a dot of a lad on a motorbike began racing around with an exhaust that sounded like a firecracker.

    None of my neighbours went outside to stop him. I did.


    Sickest lifestyle

    In Dudley, Worcestershire, lollipop ladies - the gentlest of public servants - say they are starting to get abuse from "you're in my way" motorists.

    Yvonne, a lollipop lady for 15 years said: "They blame us for holding up the traffic, which we're not. We're just trying to get kids to school safely."

    She said people "aren't as polite as they used to be".

    "It takes a lot to get people to say 'Good Morning'."

    When you compare much of our behaviour to the rest of Europe, the picture that emerges is of a country that is jostling for the lead in the sickest lifestyle in Western Europe.

    Government figures show our adults are the most obese; 11 to 15-year-olds who drink, are drinking more. The average weekly intake is over six pints.

    The Children's Society charity says a higher percentage of these youngsters are getting drunk than in any other OECD country.

    The World Health Organisation has found that our 15 to 24-year-olds have much higher incidences of syphilis, gonorrhoea and chlamydia.

    And we still have the highest teenage pregnancies - a recent downward trend now reversed. We are also up there in the lead with family break-ups.


    Youth crime


    As for crime, ministers can rightly trumpet an overall fall from a mid-1990s peak but fail to mention evidence that suggests some offences, including assaults and threats, have not fallen as fast as they have in other EU countries.

    On violent youth crime, the Youth Justice Board says offences of robbery have increased by 29% since 2004, violence against people has risen by 20% and drug offences and criminal damage is up by 12%.

    Britain's murder rate has doubled since the 1970s and is now one of Western Europe's highest.

    Yes, I know, every generation has its moral panic.

    But there are many, not just on the political right-wing, who recognise an essential truth about our society.

    Robert Reiner, professor of criminology at the LSE is one: "I think in many ways Britain has broken."

    Respected economist Paul Ormerod, founder of the Henley Forecasting Centre, said:

    "In terms of pure scientific description, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that we are more fragmented and broken."

    A 1980s map of Britain showed the distribution of poverty more evenly spread.

    Now the red areas denoting high levels of poverty make us look like we've got measles.

    Inequality is back to where it was half a century ago.


    Ghettoisation

    Dr David Halpern, former director of the Cabinet Office's social exclusion unit, thinks the phrase paints too bleak a picture.

    But he also says the deep cleavage running through the country is inflicting great damage on the common good.

    There is no respect or pride in this country, It has been destroyed Jim, Bradford

    The chances, he says, of a child from the top 50% of high-income families getting into trouble with the police is one in a 1,000.

    For a child born into the bottom five percent, it is one in five - 200 times higher.
    It is the increasing ghettoisation of Britain that leads Martin Innes, professor of the Police Science Institute at Cardiff University to conclude: "We are approaching a point where we can either come back from the brink or we're sailing over the abyss."

    There is no reliable statistical evidence about long term youth crime trends.

    But from his own research Professor Innes believes there is something more random and brutal about youth violence.

    And that was certainly my impression from a comparison of crime stories in every edition of the Daily Telegraph in 1968, with every edition in 2008.

    There was a marked contrast both in the numbers and nature of violent crimes by young people.

    For example, the appalling story of two boys who repeatedly stamped on the head of a girl in Lancashire because she was dressed as a Goth.

    There are a number of stories like this from 2008 and in recent years. But nothing quite so casually cruel from 40 years ago.

    It surely does not much matter whether we say Britain is "broken" or "breaking" or "fragmenting around the edges".

    What matters is whether we recognise there are trends in behaviour and values that are taking us in the wrong direction.


    You can watch part one of this documentary here:

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    Let me explain why they won't make me a mod.


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    Mind you I think Jeff Marshall should be got on the following:

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    That would be funny.

    **sighs**

    Oh...

    http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=4479

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    I WAS a copy paste freak...islamic articles

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUREL View Post
    Let me explain why they won't make me a mod.
    You glad now you got that out of your chest...

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    Mind you I think Jeff Marshall should be got on the following:

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    That would be funny.

    **sighs**

    Oh...

    http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=4479

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    I thought about writing a comment about agreeing with the future PM David Cameron, the documentary and article - but hey, as I was told in a previous discussion on social ills of the UK - as a muslim I should stick my head in the sand and worry about countries I have never lived in, been to and unlikely to ever do so, just because they happen to be muslim countries - Yep, that is the right attitude and mentality...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    You glad now you got that out of your chest...how dare you pick me up on the rules! I used to be a mod don't you know. GRRRRR
    Hey, I was only sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUREL View Post
    Hey, I was only sayin.
    OK you want to become a mod... where is Bhai1 these days.... lool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    OK you want to become a mod... where is Bhai1 these days.... lool
    Crikey no. They have to do actual work and pick their words and stuff.

    It's far easier to just post stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUREL View Post
    Crikey no. They have to do actual work and pick their words and stuff.
    It's far easier to just post stuff.
    They do?!

    Damn, someone should have told me that before I signed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    You glad now you got that out of your chest...how dare you pick me up on the rules! I used to be a mod don't you know. GRRRRR
    From one ex-mod to another....

    Trurel is right
    Just monkeying around.

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    I thought the documentary gave a good picture of the social problems afflicting Britain. There were so many issues that the programme raised and each one must be tackled by all to maintain any semblance of society. I would focus on the points in the programme about the problems of young people. We see the youth bedevilled with drug abuse, alcoholism and sexual promiscuity. When these people become parents themselves the omens for the future are likely to be ever more worrying. The urgency now to instil respect and moral values back into society is clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ijaz View Post
    I thought the documentary gave a good picture of the social problems afflicting Britain. There were so many issues that the programme raised and each one must be tackled by all to maintain any semblance of society. I would focus on the points in the programme about the problems of young people. We see the youth bedevilled with drug abuse, alcoholism and sexual promiscuity. When these people become parents themselves the omens for the future are likely to be ever more worrying. The urgency now to instil respect and moral values back into society is clear.
    thanks the only person who actually made a comment on the topic....
    we seeing the fruits of above today.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    the only person who actually made a comment on the topic....
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    Including you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUREL View Post
    Including you.
    so whats wrong truel - you seem very bitter about something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    so whats wrong truel - you seem very bitter about something...
    Just helping promote the forum rules Illuminate.

    They are there for the good of us all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUREL View Post
    Just helping promote the forum rules Illuminate.

    They are there for the good of us all.

    Your post prompted me to re-read the rules and I was surprised to note there has been some additions to them.

    I guess I'm slightly disappointed though not surprised by these additions.

    I guess it's ok for permanently banned problem members to come back and flaunt the fact that they are a sock puppet account. But, if you hold an opinion that could be considered pro-zionist or islamophobic by a moderator then, you could face being banned.

    Only a matter of time before the rule of "Thou shalt not mock MPACUK or criticise us" quietly sneaks in there.
    Just monkeying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukhtar_Scotland View Post
    Only a matter of time before the rule of "Thou shalt not mock MPACUK or criticise us" quietly sneaks in there.
    there are rules about harassment and being disruptive which could easily be applied to anyone who 'disrespects' mpacuk... but those who engage in that kind of stuff usually get pulled up first for attacking other members anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nasman View Post
    there are rules about harassment and being disruptive which could easily be applied to anyone who 'disrespects' mpacuk... but those who engage in that kind of stuff usually get pulled up first for attacking other members anyway.
    True, and that is my point, these new rules are surplus and purely political.

    When MPACUK's politics creep into the structure of the forum then it makes a mockery of the following statements.

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    • The MPACUK Forum is run by an independent team, whether you donate generous amounts of monies or are an MPACUK member, is irrelevant to us. All members of the forum MUST ABIDE BY THE RULES AT ALL TIMES.
    • The MPACUK Forum is a public space for users to post and discuss opinions and issues affecting Muslims within the UK.
    • Users are free to discuss whatever topic they wish BUT be aware that there are no scholars on the forum, the purpose forum is not to teach Islam, though users are encouraged to express their own opinions.
    • The Forum is open to all people from all countries regardless of religion or ethnicity.
    • When you join the forum you DO NOT become a member of the MPACUK organisation, just of the forum.
    Just monkeying around.

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    You can't even joke with anyone anymore without people 9mods) saying it's goading. I was having a laugh - sheeshh. Some people to lighten up eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslimlarki View Post
    You can't even joke with anyone anymore without people 9mods) saying it's goading. I was having a laugh - sheeshh. Some people to lighten up eh.
    And some people need to watch what they type.

    It's only a joke if someone finds it funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukhtar_Scotland View Post
    Your post prompted me to re-read the rules and I was surprised to note there has been some additions to them.

    I guess I'm slightly disappointed though not surprised by these additions.

    I guess it's ok for permanently banned problem members to come back and flaunt the fact that they are a sock puppet account. But, if you hold an opinion that could be considered pro-zionist or islamophobic by a moderator then, you could face being banned.

    Only a matter of time before the rule of "Thou shalt not mock MPACUK or criticise us" quietly sneaks in there.

    Good point.

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