What on earth is the Quilliam Foundation ?

[John Rambo II]

Ok, we know they've got a website etc... but all I ever hear about them, is negative stuff.

Can someone please tell the majority of us (since I'm quite sure no-one on the 'street' has ever heard of this organisation), who they are, who they represent, what are their bad points, why are they so dis-liked etc...

From what I hear, they seem to get people's goats (not literally, that would be silly).

Thanks.

[Illuminate]

quiet simply they are govt. backed stooges....

set-up and paid to do the govt. dirty work and give credibility to the anti-islamic groups, organisation and individuals, who continually attack islam and muslims..

all they have achieved so far, is label vast majority of muslim extreme and marginalise the general muslim community...

[John Rambo II]

Thanks, Loomy, but what exactly do they say, that irks a lot of people off ?

[JerseyLily]

Thanks, Loomy, but what exactly do they say, that irks a lot of people off ?

Why not read their website J.R.?

[John Rambo II]

Why not read their website J.R.?

Because it'll be nothing but propaganda.

[Illuminate]

Thanks, Loomy, but what exactly do they say, that irks a lot of people off ?

basically they have been recruited/set-up by the govt. of creating a western islam - which means an islam which is devoid of its values, beliefs and its way of life - it is islam which is subdued from speaking out against western double standards in the muslim world... All this is done on the cover of fighting extremism... Their task seems to be creating further division in the muslim community and also playing on difference between muslim and setting up one side to against another..

Ironically what seems to have happen, most muslim who are aware, seem to realise what QF is trying to do and playing at and in some ways it has united muslim org. and groups against QF and govt. policy, rather than ppl fall for it...

[John Rambo II]

basically they have been recruited/set-up by the govt. of creating a western islam - which means an islam which is devoid of its values, beliefs and its way of life - it is islam which is subdued from speaking out against western double standards in the muslim world... All this is done on the cover of fighting extremism... Their task seems to be creating further division in the muslim community and also playing on difference between muslim and setting up one side to against another..

Ironically what seems to have happen, most muslim who are aware, seem to realise what QF is trying to do and playing at and in some ways it has united muslim org. and groups against QF and govt. policy, rather than ppl fall for it...

Thanks again. So, in short, it's a very dubious and a rather (shadowy) organisation, since (as mentioned earlier), the majority of people haven't even heard about it.

BTW, does the QF have sway on any Muslims ? (apart from the ones that are inclined towards it) - what are their stats. on 'recruitment' ? (if that's the right word).

[Illuminate]

indeed shadowy organisation..

as for their recruitment policy - they like to recruit the odd zionist, islamophobe, neo-con...

fancy a job with them JR II...

[Salutor]

Because it'll be nothing but propaganda.

I dunno.

I had a scan of the "Mosques Made in Britain" document which read well to me.

What we need here is British, not Indian sub-continent.

[Muslimlarki]

quiet simply they are govt. backed stooges....

set-up and paid to do the govt. dirty work and give credibility to the anti-islamic groups, organisation and individuals, who continually attack islam and muslims..

all they have achieved so far, is label vast majority of muslim extreme and marginalise the general muslim community...

Are they the ones who did the study in the papers quite recently? That really peeved me off. The idiotic criteria they used. I am sure homosexuality was on there.

[John Rambo II]

indeed shadowy organisation..

as for their recruitment policy - they like to recruit the odd zionist, islamophobe, neo-con...

fancy a job with them JR II...

Have they got any vacancies ?

I dunno.

I had a scan of the "Mosques Made in Britain" document which read well to me.

What we need here is British, not Indian sub-continent.

True, but British Muslims have to be careful they're not doing the (Zionist Neo-Con's) biding.

[Ijaz]

I think some of the posts on this thread need some balancing. I am critical of the Quilliam Foundation but let's not ignore the positive work they are doing. Combating an extremist and intolerant form of Islam is in all of our interest. For that they do deserve credit, in my opinion.

[Illuminate]

I think some of the posts on this thread need some balancing. I am critical of the Quilliam Foundation but let's not ignore the positive work they are doing. Combating an extremist and intolerant form of Islam is in all of our interest. For that they do deserve credit, in my opinion.

but they are not combating any form of extremism - all they doing is exactly the opposite - they are nothing other than a govt. backed counter-productive organisation...

[JerseyLily]

I think some of the posts on this thread need some balancing. I am critical of the Quilliam Foundation but let's not ignore the positive work they are doing. Combating an extremist and intolerant form of Islam is in all of our interest. For that they do deserve credit, in my opinion.

I don't think they do anything positive, in fact they are a National embarrasment, to think they travel to Egypt Pakistan and Syria apparently represting British Muslims, what a joke, they don't at all.

I would think they are more likely to cause extremism as few react against them out of sheer frustration at their total disgregard for the Quran or Sunnah

[Illuminate]

I dunno.

I had a scan of the "Mosques Made in Britain" document which read well to me.

What we need here is British, not Indian sub-continent.

So salutor are you up for 'The Mosque' in the same way as the traditional 'The Church' used to be...

The Church were traditionally an institutions who played a dominating role over society - whilst The Mosque, The Synagogue, The Temple - were places of worship and teaching and still are, they are places of spirituality - now the church has itself, become a place of worship rather than an institution... What ppl who called for reforming the mosque are actually calling for is the institutionalising and politicising of mosque - in similar vain as traditional church - is this what you want...

Mosque need to change in terms of allowing female space, having open days and stuff like that, not institutionalising - which some muslim call for - it would be madness for this to happen - you will have dozens of finsbury park mosque... half calling for radical right wing politics and the other half left win poltical islam... Currently majority of mosque are places of worhsip and teaching and that is what they should remain as... in my humble opinion...

[Ijaz]

I don't think they do anything positive, in fact they are a National embarrasment, to think they travel to Egypt Pakistan and Syria apparently represting British Muslims, what a joke, they don't at all.

I would think they are more likely to cause extremism as few react against them out of sheer frustration at their total disgregard for the Quran or Sunnah

As I say, I'm critical of some of the things they say and do but they don't claim to represent all British Muslims. They are trying to combat loonies like Al-Muhajiroun's ilk. For that, at least, I think they deserve praise. Perhaps you should voice your disliking of QF to Ed Husain and Maajid Nawaz. I know that they are willing to talk.

[Illuminate]

Are they the ones who did the study in the papers quite recently? That really peeved me off. The idiotic criteria they used. I am sure homosexuality was on there.

no - they are a different group - but it wouldn't surprise me, if those who did the survey also had interests with QF... basically QF is used to give credibility to any anti-islam surveys, policies, govt. spin and so on...

[JerseyLily]

As I say, I'm critical of some of the things they say and do but they don't claim to represent all British Muslims. They are trying to combat loonies like Al-Muhajiroun's ilk. For that, at least, I think they deserve praise. Perhaps you should voice your disliking of QF to Ed Husain and Maajid Nawaz. I know that they are willing to talk.

How much time and money do they need to do that? A bunch of peace loving moderates from the local community in Luton managed to get rid of a nuisance and they didn't charge a penny.

The leader of Al Muhajiroon has been back in Lebanon for years and his band of followers disbanded and anyway do you think such people would sit and listen to a Ed and Maj?

[Muslimlarki]

no - they are a different group - but it wouldn't surprise me, if those who did the survey also had interests with QF... basically QF is used to give credibility to any anti-islam surveys, policies, govt. spin and so on...

Bloomin heck how many are ?

[Ijaz]

How much time and money do they need to do that? A bunch of peace loving moderates from the local community in Luton managed to get rid of a nuisance and they didn't charge a penny.

The leader of Al Muhajiroon has been back in Lebanon for years and his band of followers disbanded and anyway do you think such people would sit and listen to a Ed and Maj?

Combating an extremist form of Islam in Britain needs time and money (although I don't wholly endorse QF's way of going about it.) The number of people who adhere to Omar Bakri's thinking here is increasing. Some of them can be saved by listening to the other side of the argument - which QF is trying to put forward.