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    The mountainous region of Kashmir has been a flashpoint between India and Pakistan for more than 50 years. BBC News Online provides a step-by-step guide to the dispute.

    Why is Kashmir disputed?


    The territory of Kashmir was hotly contested even before India and Pakistan won their independence from Britain in August 1947.

    Under the partition plan provided by the Indian Independence Act of 1947, Kashmir was free to accede to India or Pakistan.

    The Maharaja, Hari Singh, wanted to stay independent but eventually decided to accede to India, signing over key powers to the Indian government - in return for military aid and a promised referendum.

    Since then, the territory has been the flashpoint for two of the three India-Pakistan wars: the first in 1947-8, the second in 1965.

    In 1999, India fought a brief but bitter conflict with Pakistani-backed forces who had infiltrated Indian-controlled territory in the Kargil area.

    In addition to the rival claims of Delhi and Islamabad to the territory, there has been a growing and often violent separatist movement against Indian rule in Kashmir since 1989.

    What are the rival claims?

    Islamabad says Kashmir should have become part of Pakistan in 1947, because Muslims are in the majority in the region.

    Pakistan also argues that Kashmiris should be allowed to vote in a referendum on their future, following numerous UN resolutions on the issue.


    Delhi, however, does not want international debate on the issue, arguing that the Simla Agreement of 1972 provided for a resolution through bilateral talks.

    India points to the Instrument of Accession signed in October 1947 by the Maharaja, Hari Singh.

    Both India and Pakistan reject the option of Kashmir becoming an independent state.

    How dangerous is the Kashmir dispute?

    It is potentially one of the most dangerous disputes in the world and in the worst-case scenario could trigger a nuclear conflict.

    In 1998 India and Pakistan both declared themselves to be nuclear powers with a string of nuclear tests.

    In 2002 there was a huge deployment of troops on both sides of the border as India reacted to an armed attack on the national parliament in Delhi the previous December. Tension between the two countries has rarely been so high.

    India said the attack was carried out by Pakistani-based militants assisted by the Pakistan government - a charge always denied by Pakistan.

    For much of the last two decades, separatist militancy and cross-border firing between the Indian and Pakistani armies has left a death toll running into tens of thousands and a population traumatised by fighting and fear.

    Are there grounds to hope the Kashmir dispute can be resolved?

    Recent years have seen a big thaw in relations between India and Pakistan.

    In addition to holding more talks, they have taken several Kashmir-specific confidence building measures. A bus service between the two parts of Kashmir was resumed in 2005.


    In October 2008 an old trade road was reopened after 60 years across the Line of Control (LoC) that divides Indian and Pakistani-administered Kashmir. Earlier in the same month a rail service was introduced.

    The two governments have huge international backing to continue the peace process and make their ongoing negotiations succeed.

    An end to the violence and uncertainty in Kashmir would also be widely welcomed in India and Pakistan - and not only by those weary of the fighting or those who see it as a hindrance to the economic development of the South Asia region.

    However, a diplomatic solution has escaped both sides for more than 60 years, and there are no signs of any new proposals yet.

    Furthermore, both governments face powerful hard line groups within their own countries who will be carefully monitoring the talks to make sure concessions they deem to be unacceptable are not offered to the other side.

    Who are the militants?

    Since the insurgency began in 1989, the number of armed Muslim separatists grew from hundreds to thousands. However their numbers have dwindled over the past two years.

    The most prominent militant group are the pro-Pakistani Hizbul Mujahideen. Islamabad denies providing them and others with logistical and material support.


    The Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) was the largest pro-independence militant group but it gave up the armed struggle in 1994 and has since been active on the political front. Its influence is thought to have waned.

    Other former militant groups have joined the umbrella of the All-Party Hurriyat (Freedom) Conference (APHC), which campaigns peacefully for an end to India's presence in Kashmir.

    However the hard line faction of the APHC - as well as several armed militant groups - are demanding a tripartite dialogue among Indian, Pakistan and Kashmiri representatives - but India has so far not agreed to this.

    The moderate faction of the APHC, led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, opened bilateral talks with the Indian government in 2004.

    But they have complained that Delhi has not taken steps it promised to create a conducive atmosphere for dialogue - such as the release of prisoners and the withdrawal of the laws that give sweeping powers to the armed forces.

    Talks between the two sides last took place in early 2006.

    Is religion an issue?

    Religion is an important aspect of the dispute. Partition in 1947 gave India's Muslims a state of their own: Pakistan. So a common faith underpins Pakistan's claims to Kashmir, where many areas are Muslim-dominated.

    The population of the Indian-administered state of Jammu and Kashmir is over 60% Muslim, making it the only state within India where Muslims are in the majority.

    What is the Line of Control?

    A demarcation line was originally established in January 1949 as a ceasefire line, following the end of the first Kashmir war.

    In July 1972, after a second conflict, the Line of Control (LoC) was re-established under the terms of the Simla Agreement, with minor variations on the earlier boundary.

    The LoC passes through a mountainous region about 5,000 metres above sea level.

    The conditions there are so extreme that the bitter cold claims more lives than the sporadic military skirmishes.


    North of the LoC, the rival forces have been entrenched on the Siachen glacier (more than 6,000 metres above sea level) since 1984 - the highest battlefield on earth.

    The LoC divides Kashmir on an almost two-to-one basis: Indian-administered Kashmir to the east and south (population about nine million), which falls into the Indian-controlled state of Jammu and Kashmir; and Pakistani-administered Kashmir to the north and west (population about three million), which is labelled by Pakistan as "Azad" (Free) Kashmir. China also controls a small portion of Kashmir.

    What's the UN involvement?

    The UN has maintained a presence in the disputed area since 1949.

    Currently, the LoC is monitored by the UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (Unmogip).

    So what of the future?

    In Indian-administered Kashmir, many people are wary of confidence building measures (CBMs) which they fear may be used as a ploy to convert the LoC into a permanent border.

    Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has reiterated that Kashmir's borders cannot be redrawn, but they can be made "irrelevant".

    The Pakistani and Indian armies are for the most part observing a ceasefire along the LoC .

    In what seemed like a major break from its position over the Kashmir question in 2008, Pakistan's new President, Asif Ali Zardari, denounced separatist violence as "terrorism". However, his spokesperson later clarified that the remark was about non-Kashmiri militants fighting in Kashmir.

    Even so there has overall been a huge decline in violence in Indian-administered Kashmir over the past three years.

    The main exception to that has been the events of the summer of 2008, when the government of Indian-administered Kashmir decided to transfer to a Hindu religious trust 100 acres of land on a mountain route leading to an important shrine.

    This sparked widespread protests among Muslims in the valley throughout June, in which many civilians were killed. The decision was then rescinded in early July, which in turn triggered large-scale protests in the Hindu-majority districts around the city of Jammu.

    The incident provided a good example of how volatile this beautiful part of the world can be - and how the capacity for violence is never far away.

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    I did try to do a search and see if there was a relevant thread on Kashmir that I could move to this section, but I couldn't really find one. So i thought I'd start a new one. If there is one that already exists, I'll merge them. The bbc covers the topic in-depth. It's a good starting place to learn from.

    Another useful site is the guardian
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    Bump............

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    Speaking as a British born Kashmiri who travels to IJK quite frequently I would prefer it to remain under Indian control.

    It would be better for the people of IJK if they would settle down and accept Indian rule then we can move forward.

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    I don kno much about kashmir but onebloke in that islam chat room talked about it but the ops kept gaggin him and sed that muslims shudnt talk about it cos they shudnt talk about nationalism but the ops all talked about gaza
    I didn understand wot the diff was?
    Y is one group of ppl suppressed an suported but the others arent

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    I don kno much about kashmir but onebloke in that islam chat room talked about it but the ops kept gaggin him and sed that muslims shudnt talk about it cos they shudnt talk about nationalism but the ops all talked about gaza
    I didn understand wot the diff was?
    Y is one group of ppl suppressed an suported but the others arent
    Nationalism has no place in Islam Jamie as land borders are man made. There must be some other reason as to why the above happened.

    The lands of Palestine have the al Aqsa Mosque so there are religious reasons for wanting to control them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyLily View Post
    Nationalism has no place in Islam Jamie as land borders are man made. There must be some other reason as to why the above happened.

    The lands of Palestine have the al Aqsa Mosque so there are religious reasons for wanting to control them.
    do u really think it is just the mosque that makes the diff,
    most pl think its becos muslims hate jews
    tbh i dont see it like that and i think now its the zionit muslims dont like
    i still dont really kno wot makes u a zionist most israelis see israel as there home now and if that makes them a zionist then i think its definition shud be changed, a lot of israelis dont agee with all there govt does and work to change things
    soz off topic

    so do u think kashmiri muslims shud leave kashmir?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    do u really think it is just the mosque that makes the diff,
    most pl think its becos muslims hate jews
    tbh i dont see it like that and i think now its the zionit muslims dont like
    i still dont really kno wot makes u a zionist most israelis see israel as there home now and if that makes them a zionist then i think its definition shud be changed, a lot of israelis dont agee with all there govt does and work to change things
    soz off topic

    so do u think kashmiri muslims shud leave kashmir?
    Muslims have lived beside and amongst Jews for centuries and still do in Iran and Morocco for example. Muslims hate Zionists be they Christian or Jewish.

    I don't know that much about the situation in Kashmir except it is another monumental cock up created by the British government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seperatist View Post
    Speaking as a British born Kashmiri who travels to IJK quite frequently I would prefer it to remain under Indian control.

    It would be better for the people of IJK if they would settle down and accept Indian rule then we can move forward.
    You are not living up to your Kashmiri Separatist username.
    If the majority of people in IOK don't want Indian rule, they shouldn't have it.

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    India employing Israeli oppression tactics in Kashmir


    The 2010 summer in the disputed area of Jammu and Kashmir, administered by India, has been marked by popular protests by Kashmiris and crackdowns by India's military. The stream of violence has left more than fifty dead, mostly young protestors. The situation in Kashmir has some parallels with Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, even borrowing the term intifada to describe the uprising. But the connection is more than analogy -- Israel's pacification efforts against Palestinians have proven valuable for the Indian police, army and intelligence services in their campaigns to pacify Jammu and Kashmir with numerous Indian military and security imports from Israel leading the way.

    India and Israel had a limited relationship prior to 1992. India, as a prominent member of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM), had helped to form the NAM political positions on Palestine as part of the "struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, apartheid, racism, including Zionism and all forms of expansionism, foreign occupation and domination and hegemony" (1979, Havana Declaration). Beyond its anti-colonial and Third World solidarity politics, India also had realpolitik reasons for keeping a distance from Israel. The nation had a developing economy with a huge need for petroleum resources, of which it had no domestic source. Good relations with the Arab League and the Soviet Union helped to secure access to resources necessary for India to become the regional and global economic power it aspires to be.

    With the beginning of the Oslo negotiations process between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization in the mid-1990s and the end of the Cold War, India was free to pursue relations with Israel from a NAM standpoint. An end to the Israeli occupation was assumed a formality under Oslo by most international observers, especially early on -- and had, by that time, gained the economic strength to pursue a policy taking it, as described in a US Army War College (USAWC) analysis, "from a position of nonalignment and noncommitment to having specific strategic interests taking it on a path of 'poly-alignment.'" The report states that India has been in a "scramble to establish 'strategic relationships' with most of the major powers and many of the middle powers," including Israel.

    Israel rendered limited military assistance to India in its 1962 war with China and the 1965 and 1971 wars with Pakistan. It was not until after the Oslo process began though, that the limited military contacts developed into a fuller strategic relationship. According to The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, in 1994 "India requested equipment to guard the de facto Indo-Pakistan Kashmiri border. New Delhi was interested in Israeli fences, which use electronic sensors to track human movements" (Thomas Withington, "Israel and India partner up," January/February 2001, pp.18-19). The remaining years of the decade were peppered with arms sales from Jerusalem to New Delhi, most notably unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and electronic warfare systems.

    The strategic military relationship picked up even more steam in the new millennium and annual arms sales average in the hundreds of millions of dollars. The shift of Israel being a major defense supplier to a strategic partner was formalized in a September 2003 state visit by then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to India where the Hindu nationalist government then in power, the Bharatiya Janata Party led by then-Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, hosted the Israeli delegation and coauthored the Delhi Statement on Friendship and Cooperation between India and Israel. The statement's longest segment is on terrorism. It declares that "Israel and India are partners in the battle against this scourge" and that "there cannot be any compromise in the war against terrorism." The relationship has expanded drastically since 2000 with, in some recent years, Israel even supplanting Russia as India's largest arms supplier. Surface-to-air missile systems, naval craft, advanced radar systems and other remote sensing technologies, artillery systems and numerous joint production initiatives ranging from munitions to avionics systems have all further boosted the relationship.

    But as the Kashmiri uprising enters its third decade, the most telling part of the relationship is the export of Israeli pacification efforts against Palestinians to India, and their use in Jammu and Kashmir (and elsewhere as India faces multiple popular revolts). Israel has trained thousands of Indian military personnel in counterinsurgency since 2003. According to a 2003 JINSA analysis, "Presumably to equip these soldiers, India recently concluded a $30 million agreement with Israel Military Industries (IMI) for 3,400 Tavor assault rifles, 200 Galil sniper rifles, as well as night vision and laser range finding and targeting equipment."

    In 2004, the Israeli intelligence agencies Mossad and General Security Services (Shin Bet) arrived in India "to conduct the first field security surveillance course for Indian Army Intelligence Corps sleuths." The Globes article on the topic cites an Indian source stating "The course has been designed to look at methods of intelligence gathering in insurgency affected areas, in keeping with the challenges that Israel has faced." The further acquisition of UAVs, their joint production and the acquisition of other surveillance systems, notably 2010 agreements for both spy satellites and satellite communications systems, have all helped to further India's pacification campaigns in Jammu and Kashmir. A notable example of how deeply embedded in India the Israeli counterinsurgency and homeland security industries are is the May 2010 agreement whereby Ra'anana-based Nice Systems will provide security systems and a command and control center for India's parliament. Parliament security head Sandeep Salunke noted the context for the $5 million contract being "In light of the recent increase in global terrorism" (Nice Systems press release, 25 May 2010).

    India's political trend towards poly-alignment whereby it can have both strategic energy agreements with Iran and strategic defense agreements with Israel is part of a broader strategy the USAWC report noted by which "India will fiercely protect its own internal and bilateral issues from becoming part of the international dialog (Kashmir being the most obvious example)." This hostility towards international engagement with its occupation is not the only resemblance to Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Both were born out the the end of the British colonialism, both are seen as front lines of the "War on Terror," both the Kashmiri and Palestinian armed groups are erroneously seen as illegitimate in their own right, being mere tools of a foreign aggressor (Pakistan for Kashmir and Iran or Syria for Palestine), both have widespread abuses of human rights, and the Israeli public's general apathy about or hostility towards Palestinian self-determination is surpassed by the domestic discussion in India, where Kashmiri self-determination isn't even an issue, though pacifying Kashmir and securing the border with Pakistan is.

    The analogy between the two conflicts can only be taken so far, but the direct connection by which Israel's pacification industry exports tools of control developed for use against the Palestinians (and Lebanese) to be deployed against Kashmiris (as well as against the Naxalites and others in India) shows a deep linkage between the two conflicts and how one feeds the other. So long as Israel seeks to maintain control over Palestine it will continue to develop pacification tools, and so long as India continues its campaigns in Jammu and Kashmir, Kashmiris can expect to taste the fruits of Palestinian pacification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyLily View Post
    Muslims have lived beside and amongst Jews for centuries and still do in Iran and Morocco for example. Muslims hate Zionists be they Christian or Jewish.

    I don't know that much about the situation in Kashmir except it is another monumental cock up created by the British government.
    or deliberate? hmmmm

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    Br Separatist had posted a couple of good maps. Here they are:

    Quote Originally Posted by Seperatist View Post
    Just for you, the first map shows Kashmir it is currently with the line of control dividing Indian and Pakistani occupied territories, the second map shows Kashmir as it should be....whole.








    As Goalshan says Mirpur is a town....I bet you think we all look the same as well!

    I don't agree with what is written in the indent on the second map as I believe Kashmir is illegally occupied by both Pakistan and India though for different reasons.
    NOTE The note written on the second map appears to be from an Indian standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyLily View Post
    Muslims have lived beside and amongst Jews for centuries and still do in Iran and Morocco for example. Muslims hate Zionists be they Christian or Jewish.

    I don't know that much about the situation in Kashmir except it is another monumental cock up created by the British government.
    mmm interesting failure of the bleep out editing system

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyLily View Post
    Muslims have lived beside and amongst Jews for centuries and still do in Iran and Morocco for example. Muslims hate Zionists be they Christian or Jewish.

    I don't know that much about the situation in Kashmir except it is another monumental cock up created by the British government.
    They sure did on the Spanish Island of Mallorca then the Christian Crusaders massacred men, women and Children.

    I don't know the situation in Kashmir either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goalshan602 View Post
    You are not living up to your Kashmiri Separatist username.
    If the majority of people in IOK don't want Indian rule, they shouldn't have it.

    No I'm not am I, but if it must be one or the other as seems to be I'd prefer India to get their **** together and give IJK some form of autonomy/self governance.

    But of course the ideal is a totally separate and free Kashmir where the people would be able to vote which country they wish to be allied with, if any.

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    Separatist

    In IJK (IOK) is the dialect spoken similar to that of Mirpur?

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    Seperatist,

    You mentioned you travel to IJK. I too travel there, as my father is from there.. If you dont mind me asking which part do you travel to? Winter Capital or Summer Capital? Jammu or Srinagar?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isaac View Post
    Seperatist,

    You mentioned you travel to IJK. I too travel there, as my father is from there.. If you dont mind me asking which part do you travel to? Winter Capital or Summer Capital? Jammu or Srinagar?

    Thanks

    Hi Isaac, My family are from Srinagar, I'm about to travel there quite soon as my daughter is getting married there, she and my wife have been there a month or so already....I quite dislike the whole marriage 'thing' which is why I'm holding off going for as long as is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seperatist View Post
    Hi Isaac, My family are from Srinagar, I'm about to travel there quite soon as my daughter is getting married there, she and my wife have been there a month or so already....I quite dislike the whole marriage 'thing' which is why I'm holding off going for as long as is possible.

    Tut, tut, Mr S...

    Your daughter is getting married and you're not par-taking in the run up of events?!?

    Naughty boy.


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    I know, I'm a grumpy old Hector....

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