Black Muslims freed France from Nazis

[Saracen]

Did you know black African Muslims freed France from Nazis??? No you weren't supposed to!



Just heard radio four this evening, very interesting, kinda confirmed my previous suspicions that the allied force were not really fighting the Germans because they were nazis espousing racism, but because they threatened their soveriegnty.

This programme tackled the fact that despite many thousands of Africans fought for the liberation of France (many who were muslims) they were systematically excluded from participating in the final part of the liberation, The Allies (whose actions were endorsed by the Brits) systematically prevented black from joining the march into Paris, despite thousands had died trying to liberate France, because they wanted to make it a whites only parade.


This was in addition to the fact that the Americans used to have the army segregated on race lines.

How utterly disgusting !!

The narrator of the programme says, it was ironic that the Allies who were fighting racist nazism were infact guilty of it themselves, and that it was directed towards their own soliders.

How very civilised.


despite the reality of the holocaust in Europe, European society still allows Nazis to become elected politcians.

It is also no wonder that Jewish people created the zionist movement that aimed for a homeland outside of Europe amongst muslims they probably knew that Europe can never guarantee their safety.

[Saracen]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00jhp5d

here is the programme.

[Saracen]

The other tthing the programme didnt do (because the BBC is not biased dont you know?..lol)

IT DID NOT MENTION THE SOLIDERS WERE MUSLIMS!!

The fact is 95% of Senegalese are Muslims.


So the programme itself was an attempt at distortion of an important fact!!

[edit] Religion
Islam is the predominant religion, practiced by approximately 95 percent of the country's population; the Christian community, at 4 percent of the population, includes Roman Catholics and diverse Protestant denominations. There is also a 1 percent population who maintain animism in their beliefs, particularly in the southeastern region of the country.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegal#Religion


Black African Muslims fighting for the liberation of France from nazis, excluded by the allies and then their religion hidden by the BBC, how apt.!!!

[Saracen]

bring on the Islamophobic racist trolls!!!

[John O Hart]

The other tthing the programme didnt do (because the BBC is not biased dont you know?..lol)

IT DID NOT MENTION THE SOLIDERS WERE MUSLIMS!!

The fact is 95% of Senegalese are Muslims.

So the programme itself was an attempt at distortion of an important fact!!

You don't know how many of the soldiers were Muslims, nor how many were Christians. The programme didn't distort facts, at worst it omitted facts. But it can't say everything. Did it say, for example, what language(s) the soldiers spoke? Is that not as important, in the context, as what religion they were?

And if the BBC is so determined, as you believe it is, to hide the facts, why did it broadcast the programme at all?

If you're so concerned about distortion, shouldn't your title for this thread read "Black Muslims HELPED free France from Nazis"? Don't you think the British and Americans (mostly white Christians) helped as well?

[Saracen]

You don't know how many of the soldiers were Muslims, nor how many were Christians. The programme didn't distort facts, at worst it omitted facts. But it can't say everything. Did it say, for example, what language(s) the soldiers spoke? Is that not as important, in the context, as what religion they were?

And if the BBC is so determined, as you believe it is, to hide the facts, why did it broadcast the programme at all?

If you're so concerned about distortion, shouldn't your title for this thread read "Black Muslims HELPED free France from Nazis"? Don't you think the British and Americans (mostly white Christians) helped as well?

lol only you could come up with such nonsense.

Senegalese are 95% muslims and the BBc did not report that,
and here you are trying to belittle Muslims who were martyred for Europe,
nothings changed then huh????

are you in a panic that people might discover some history?

[John O Hart]

Senegalese are 95% muslims and the BBc did not report that,
and here you are trying to belittle Muslims who were martyred for Europe,
nothings changed then huh????

are you in a panic that people might discover some history?

In what way am I "belittling Muslims who were martyred for Europe"? It is you who are belittling the contribution of non-Muslims, be they Senegalese, British, or American, by stating that they played no part in the liberation of France.

But that's what I'd expect from someone with no interest in historical accuracy.

Why should the BBC report that 95% of Senegalese ARE Muslims? The only relevant fact is how many Senegalese WERE Muslims during the war. Even that doesn't tell us how many of the soldiers were Muslim, which is what you seem to be obsessed by. Why?

[Saracen]

Here is the article from the BBC also ommiting the fact that these Africans were infact muslims.

why would the BBC tackle racism but itself discriminate against Islam and Muslims???

The answer is that racism today is not acceptable but prejudice towards islam is acceptable, so the BBC conveniantly hides the fact that these Blacks that freed France were also Muslims.


Paris liberation made 'whites only'

By Mike Thomson
Presenter, Document, BBC Radio 4



Many of the "French" division which led the liberation of Paris were Spanish
Papers unearthed by the BBC reveal that British and American commanders ensured that the liberation of Paris on 25 August 1944 was seen as a "whites only" victory.

Many who fought Nazi Germany during World War II did so to defeat the vicious racism that left millions of Jews dead.

Yet the BBC's Document programme has seen evidence that black colonial soldiers - who made up around two-thirds of Free French forces - were deliberately removed from the unit that led the Allied advance into the French capital.

By the time France fell in June 1940, 17,000 of its black, mainly West African colonial troops, known as the Tirailleurs Senegalais, lay dead.

Many of them were simply shot where they stood soon after surrendering to German troops who often regarded them as sub-human savages.

Their chance for revenge came in August 1944 as Allied troops prepared to retake Paris. But despite their overwhelming numbers, they were not to get it.

'More desirable'

The leader of the Free French forces, Charles de Gaulle, made it clear that he wanted his Frenchmen to lead the liberation of Paris.

I have told Colonel de Chevene that his chances of getting what he wants will be vastly improved if he can produce a white infantry division

General Frederick Morgan
Allied High Command agreed, but only on one condition: De Gaulle's division must not contain any black soldiers.


In January 1944 Eisenhower's Chief of Staff, Major General Walter Bedell Smith, was to write in a memo stamped, "confidential": "It is more desirable that the division mentioned above consist of white personnel.

"This would indicate the Second Armoured Division, which with only one fourth native personnel, is the only French division operationally available that could be made one hundred percent white."

At the time America segregated its own troops along racial lines and did not allow black GIs to fight alongside their white comrades until the late stages of the war.

Morocco division

Given the fact that Britain did not segregate its forces and had a large and valued Indian army, one might have expected London to object to such a racist policy.
Yet this does not appear to have been the case.

Charles de Gaulle wanted Frenchmen to lead the liberation of Paris
A document written by the British General, Frederick Morgan, to Allied Supreme Command stated: "It is unfortunate that the only French formation that is 100% white is an armoured division in Morocco.

"Every other French division is only about 40% white. I have told Colonel de Chevene that his chances of getting what he wants will be vastly improved if he can produce a white infantry division."

Finding an all-white division that was available proved to be impossible due to the enormous contribution made to the French Army by West African conscripts.



So, Allied Command insisted that all black soldiers be taken out and replaced by white ones from other units.
When it became clear that there were not enough white soldiers to fill the gaps, soldiers from parts of North Africa and the Middle East were used instead.

Pensions cut

In the end, nearly everyone was happy. De Gaulle got his wish to have a French division lead the liberation of Paris, even though the shortage of white troops meant that many of his men were actually Spanish.

We were colonised by the French. We were forced to go to war... France has not been grateful. Not at all.

Issa Cisse
Former French colonial soldier
The British and Americans got their "Whites Only" Liberation even though many of the troops involved were North African or Syrian.

For France's West African Tirailleurs Senegalais, however, there was little to celebrate.

Despite forming 65% of Free French Forces and dying in large numbers for France, they were to have no heroes' welcome in Paris.

After the liberation of the French capital many were simply stripped of their uniforms and sent home. To make matters even worse, in 1959 their pensions were frozen.

Former French colonial soldier, Issa Cisse from Senegal, who is now 87 years-old, looks back on it all with sadness and evident resentment.

"We, the Senegalese, were commanded by the white French chiefs," he said.

"We were colonised by the French. We were forced to go to war. Forced to follow the orders that said, do this, do that, and we did. France has not been grateful. Not at all."

Mike Thomson presents Radio 4's Document at 2000BST on Monday 6 April


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7984436.stm



How disgusting!!!!

by the way please Note West Africa is 95% Muslim

[Saracen]

In what way am I "belittling Muslims who were martyred for Europe"? It is you who are belittling the contribution of non-Muslims, be they Senegalese, British, or American, by stating that they played no part in the liberation of France.

But that's what I'd expect from someone with no interest in historical accuracy.

Why should the BBC report that 95% of Senegalese ARE Muslims? The only relevant fact is how many Senegalese WERE Muslims during the war. Even that doesn't tell us how many of the soldiers were Muslim, which is what you seem to be obsessed by. Why?

dont be riduculus, no one is hiding the fact non-muslims marched into France, thats not been deleted from history!

why would anyone need to state a fact that is not hidden???

Read the report below, the overwhelming majority were non-whites meaning Muslims!!!

why do you cling to a racist world view???

[John O Hart]

by the way please Note West Africa is 95% Muslim

I don't know where you got that from, but it's nonsense.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country (which is well sourced). It states that only 50% of the population of West Africa is Muslim. Nigeria makes up half the population of West Africa, and it's only 50% Muslim.

Have you got some weird idea of what West Africa is, or are you on some weird drug?

[John O Hart]

dont be riduculus, no one is hiding the fact non-muslims marched into France, thats not been deleted from history!

why would anyone need to state a fact that is not hidden???

The fact that 95% of Senegalese are Muslim is not hidden. It's widely available. So why would the BBC need to state it?

[Saracen]

I don't know where you got that from, but it's nonsense.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country (which is well sourced). It states that only 50% of the population of West Africa is Muslim. Nigeria makes up half the population of West Africa, and it's only 50% Muslim.

Have you got some weird idea of what West Africa is, or are you on some weird drug?

For goodness sake we are talking about the text of the article, which is reffering to West Africans as those specifically colonised by France and used in its army, Senegal was mentioned, that consists of 95% Muslims.

Try to keep up.

But your passion to negate the historical fact as reported by the BBc is duly noted.

I feel sorry for you, you are so blinded by prejudice that you cannot see any good in any other humans other than the ones that conform to your narrow world view.

[Saracen]

I don't know where you got that from, but it's nonsense.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country (which is well sourced). It states that only 50% of the population of West Africa is Muslim. Nigeria makes up half the population of West Africa, and it's only 50% Muslim.

Have you got some weird idea of what West Africa is, or are you on some weird drug?

Nigeria was not colonised by France, it was colonised by Britain, which is why it is part of the common wealth.

Please keep up.

[John O Hart]

For goodness sake we are talking about the text of the article, which is reffering to West Africans as those specifically colonised by France and used in its army, Senegal was mentioned, that consists of 95% Muslims.

Try to keep up.

You're the one who needs to keep up. Why did you write West Africa when you meant Senegal? If you're talking about Senegal, write Senegal. If you write West Africa, I assume you mean West Africa (which includes Nigeria), not Senegal. How am I expected to read your mind if you write nonsense?

[CANTANATRIX]

The majority of the British Indian forces were Hindu, the majority of British and American forces were Chrisitan yet this is also not mentioned-CONSPIRACY!

Or its irrelevant as the focus is on RACISM and not religion.

[Reason]

Ok, are you just discovering the fact that 1940's Earth was a racist place?

I was never taught that the Allies fought the Nazis because of their racist ideologies, it was always about sovereignty. The ending of the atrocities was a convenient byproduct of this, allowing them to feel justified in their tremendous losses.

All that stuff about racism and the Nazis was based after the fact. It isn't at all surprising though, that's what people do.

[lovelondon]

http://muslimwiki.com/mw/index.php/M...n_World_War_II

* 300,000 Arabs and North African soldiers helped to liberate France in 1944 CE (1363 AH)

his multi-racial army was first thrown into battle in Italy in 1943, in the grim struggle to dislodge the Germans from their fortifications at Monte Cassino. The same troops landed with American troops in the south of France on 15th August 1944 (25th Shaban 1363), while the main German occupying force was engaged in Normandy. After advancing through France, the southern invasion force became involved in terrible winter fighting against the German armies which had assembled to defend the approaches to the Reich in the Vosges mountains and in Alsace in north-eastern France from December 1944.

"Many incidents in the movie are based on real events. There is a mini-riot when the colonial soldiers are told that tomatoes are reserved for the whites. Army censors intercept and destroy mail to break up relationships between Arab or African soldiers and white women. The French army refuses to promote Arabs and blacks above the rank of corporal. The movie ends with a battle in a half-ruined Alsatian village between Germans and a handful of north Africans, disillusioned but determined to fight, at least for their friends. This, too, is based on a real battle in December 1944, just before the Battle of the Bulge, a little to the north.

More....

[CasualVisitor]

bring on the Islamophobic racist trolls!!!

[irony]Here we are.


[/irony]

I'd rather term these heroic black muslims differently -
as black colonialist slaves or "cannon fodder".

[kingstuart]

I was flicking through the movies on skyplayer the other night and Indigènes caught my attention http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0444182/ a film about this particular issue.

As usual Saracen attempts to turn what could have been an interesting talking point into a confrontational 'you and us' argument.

[Shafiq]

The majority of the British Indian forces were Hindu, the majority of British and American forces were Chrisitan yet this is also not mentioned-CONSPIRACY!

Or its irrelevant as the focus is on RACISM and not religion.

I know quite a lot of Pakistani WWII Vets, and many Syrians also made up part of the French Army. In this case, the religion is irrelevant but I like to bring up these facts when Ziotrolls (not on here, but on other forums) accuse Arabs (and by extension Muslims because most of them can't tell the difference) of being Nazi collaborators when in reality, many were on the side of the allies.