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    Let's be honest - - apart from a minority of cases - it is our birth, culture & upbringing that defines what religion we believe in.

    What is undeniable truth to one is nonsense to another and visa-versa.

    There is no objective truth when it comes to religion and supernatural beliefs.

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    Many of us born Muslims stray from the path and some even move away from the folds of Islam. When such people return they do so because they turn to Allah, when in reality it was Allah swt turninng to them. When born muslims actually return to the faith, they do so by actually learning about it in depth and truely accepting it not just becuase their parents told them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud View Post
    Let's be honest - - apart from a minority of cases - it is our birth, culture & upbringing that defines what religion we believe in.

    What is undeniable truth to one is nonsense to another and visa-versa.

    There is no objective truth when it comes to religion and supernatural beliefs.
    not really....

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    I missed the not really part from my post -can;t edit it now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud View Post
    Let's be honest - - apart from a minority of cases - it is our birth, culture & upbringing that defines what religion we believe in.

    What is undeniable truth to one is nonsense to another and visa-versa.

    There is no objective truth when it comes to religion and supernatural beliefs.

    yep...not really.

    however I would say that it does play an important part of in the idea of God that is portrayed to you.

    And this was confirmed in your case when I read your book.

    If a child is taught its fard Ayn as soon as it can comprehend and is taught the basics of aqeeda (of which part is free will) then I feel the child will have a better understanding of the role that religion plays.

    What most of us do is we instill the fear of God in our children...and not the love for God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud View Post
    Let's be honest - - apart from a minority of cases - it is our birth, culture & upbringing that defines what religion we believe in.

    What is undeniable truth to one is nonsense to another and visa-versa.

    There is no objective truth when it comes to religion and supernatural beliefs.
    It's self evidently true that where you are born and what culture you are raised has a massive part to play in what you would believe. If that wasn't true then there would be a homogeneous spread of beliefs, or lack of, across the world and cultural groupings. The percentage of Buddhists in Saudi Arabia or Brazil would be equal to that of Tibet for instance.

    It's equally self evident that religious belief isn't an objective truth else we would of all pretty much decided on one truth by now.

    But if you looking to get agreement from your ex-coreligionists then I'm afraid you will be waiting a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by solfish View Post
    It's self evidently true that where you are born and what culture you are raised has a massive part to play in what you would believe. If that wasn't true then there would be a homogeneous spread of beliefs, or lack of, across the world and cultural groupings. The percentage of Buddhists in Saudi Arabia or Brazil would be equal to that of Tibet for instance.

    It's equally self evident that religious belief isn't an objective truth else we would of all pretty much decided on one truth by now.

    But if you looking to get agreement from your ex-coreligionists then I'm afraid you will be waiting a long time
    LOL... yup, but I thought I'd try anyway lol

    btw - you re-phrased what I was trying to say, perfectly!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud View Post
    Let's be honest - - apart from a minority of cases - it is our birth, culture & upbringing that defines what religion we believe in.
    Mostly true - the Prophet (saw) said that every child was born a Muslim, but it was the parents who made the child Christian or Jewish (I am paraphrasing here)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud View Post
    What is undeniable truth to one is nonsense to another and visa-versa.
    This would only be true in relation to unverifiable issues - such as existence of God, etc. In terms of the majority of verifiable issues this does not hold.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud View Post
    There is no objective truth when it comes to religion and supernatural beliefs.
    This statement is a sort of oxymoron - objective truth and religion/supernatural belief are mutually exclusive since objectivity in such matters is not possible or even definable.

    I got to ask - are you on a mission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul Hafiz View Post

    I got to ask - are you on a mission?

    More like an anti Islamic crusade......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud View Post
    Let's be honest - - apart from a minority of cases - it is our birth, culture & upbringing that defines what religion we believe in.

    What is undeniable truth to one is nonsense to another and visa-versa.

    There is no objective truth when it comes to religion and supernatural beliefs.
    This is nonsense.

    Everyone is born a believer in the one true God. Different cultures corrupt children by brainwashing them with fake religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safeer View Post
    This is nonsense.

    Everyone is born a believer in the one true God. Different cultures corrupt children by brainwashing them with fake religions.
    Yeah...and his post was nonsense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by safeer View Post
    This is nonsense.

    Everyone is born a believer in the one true God. Different cultures corrupt children by brainwashing them with fake religions.
    Did you know that when you were born?

    My children are secular agnostics. Their parents are.

    My next door neighbours children are Salvation Army people. Their parents are.

    Around the corner, friends of my sons are Jehovas Witness. Their parents are

    Our other next doors children are Catholic. Their parents are.

    End of the road, their children are C of E, their parents are.

    Mahmoud is quite correct.

    To claim Muslim children are Muslim bcause they have found the truth ( I do not know how you can find what you have never lost from birth), rather than because their parents are is inherently false.

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