Afghans Riot In Kabul After Civilian Killed.....

[Illuminate]

KABUL (Reuters) – Dozens of angry Afghans pelted police with stones after a convoy of foreign contractors rammed a minivan off a road and one civilian was killed and three more wounded in the Afghan capital on Friday, witnesses said.


Seething resentment against the presence of some 65,000 foreign troops is growing in Afghanistan after scores of Afghan civilians have been killed in a series of mistaken air strikes this year.


Rioting began after a convoy of foreign contractors hit a grey minivan off a main road in eastern Kabul, witnesses said.


NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said it was aware of an incident.


"An ISAF patrol was dispatched from Camp Souter having received reports that a civilian contractor had been involved in a traffic accident," ISAF said in a statement.


"On their arrival, the patrol found a large crowd surrounding the contractors' vehicles," it said. Camp Souter is a base for British troops close to the scene of the incident.


The Kabul chief of police had earlier said British soldiers had opened fire on the minivan, but ISAF said none of its troops fired their weapons during the incident.


The chief of police did not return any calls asking for clarification and it was not clear if the civilian died in the traffic accident or was shot afterwards.



FOREIGNERS BLAMED


But the quickness with which ordinary Afghans turned to violence illustrates the depth of resentment against the presence of foreigners in their country, many of whom drive aggressively at great speed to avoid the threat of suicide bomber



The killing of an Afghan civilian in a Taliban suicide bomb targeting foreign troops on Thursday, close to the scene of Friday's incident, provoked no such protest. Afghans often blame the presence of foreign troops for attracting suicide bombs.


Crowds chanted "death to Bush, death to America" as the body of the victim of Friday's incident was put into the back of a taxi and driven away from the scene.


"They killed my son, my son is dead," said a weeping old man.


The rioters pelted Afghan police with stones and were chased down side-streets before dispersing.


Dozens of Afghans gathered near the United Nations headquarters in Kabul on Thursday for a peaceful protest against the killing of civilians in foreign air strikes.


At least four Afghan civilians have been killed by foreign soldiers in Kabul this year in what international forces call "escalation of force procedure" after they approached too close to troop convoys.


Large-scale rioting broke out in Kabul in 2006 after a U.S. military vehicle suffered brake failure and plowed into a crowd, killing five people. Seven more people were killed in the rioting.

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It looks like even the ppl of kabul have had an enough of the foriegn troops.....

[yorkshire observer]

If your heroes once again rule Afghanistan as the people want, would you think it right that the UK refuses applications for asylum from Afghans in future?

[Illuminate]

If your heroes once again rule Afghanistan as the people want, would you think it right that the UK refuses applications for asylum from Afghans in future?

my hero's are the dead innocent children and woman - killed by US/UK terrorism - they won't be applying for asylum anywhere...

[yorkshire observer]

Thanks for your heartfelt concern.
I take it you can't answer the question.

[Illuminate]

Thanks for your heartfelt concern.
I take it you can't answer the question.

you are welcome...
what question - you didn't asked a question..
it was your typical loaded commnet...

[muzzylogic]

If your heroes once again rule Afghanistan as the people want, would you think it right that the UK refuses applications for asylum from Afghans in future?

Try not to load your questions so much, you might drown.

[yorkshire observer]

So neither of you can answer the question, I wonder why not.
You seem so sure of what Afghans want, the kind of people they are, the kind of society they want but if that society's achieved you seem unable to answer the simple question about whether that would mean that the UK should not accept asylum applications from Afghans living in such a society.

[muzzylogic]

I don't profess to know what the Afghans want but after the best part of 40 years of violent conflict I'm pretty sure I can hazard a guess at what they don't want.

[yorkshire observer]

I don't profess to know what the Afghans want but after the best part of 40 years of violent conflict I'm pretty sure I can hazard a guess at what they don't want.

Exactly. And it's worth remembering that when the time comes to arranging a peaceful solution.
Just saying a people don't want something doesn't translate into we want the taliban running our country again.

[JerseyLily]

Exactly. And it's worth remembering that when the time comes to arranging a peaceful solution.
Just saying a people don't want something doesn't translate into we want the taliban running our country again.

Right so let's assume that the various tribal factions can unite to govern Afghanistan by themselves including the so called "Taliban", the one thing that they will all agree on is that they don't want foreign troups on Afghan soil.

What do you mean by "when the time comes" to arrange a peaceful solution? Why is it not time now to have a peaceful solution? Do you want to give the USA more time to kill more innocent civilians?

Peace in northern ireland came when all sides agreed to lay down their weapons and to broker a power sharing deal, the same will have to happen in Afghanistan, but you won't get them to hand in their weapons.

[Illuminate]

So neither of you can answer the question, I wonder why not.
You seem so sure of what Afghans want, the kind of people they are, the kind of society they want but if that society's achieved you seem unable to answer the simple question about whether that would mean that the UK should not accept asylum applications from Afghans living in such a society.

I forgot to mention my second lot of hero's - they are the the anti-war.org - they thought me everything I say about these issues - Glad to know there are ppl like that around in the west - so they won't be applying for asylum aswell...


and finally YO - afghan has never been govern by a centralised authority - like I told you before, it is made up of tribal, ethnic, cultural basis..... each province has its own identity....

and asylum is based on individual case by case - not determined by UK foreign policy and overseas excursion...

[yorkshire observer]

I forgot to mention my second lot of hero's - they are the the anti-war.org - they thought me everything I say about these issues - Glad to know there are ppl like that around in the west - so they won't be applying for asylum aswell...


and finally YO - afghan has never been govern by a centralised authority - like I told you before, it is made up of tribal, ethnic, cultural basis..... each province has its own identity....

and asylum is based on individual case by case - not determined by UK foreign policy and overseas excursion...

OK, I'll ask a third time. When Afghanistan is ruled by the people you think are wanted by the people, would you think it reasonable to stop accepting asylum applications from Afghans?

[Illuminate]

OK, I'll ask a third time. When Afghanistan is ruled by the people you think are wanted by the people, would you think it reasonable to stop accepting asylum applications from Afghans?

again it should be done on a case by case basis..... having a blanket wide policy is simply wrong...

[yorkshire observer]

again it should be done on a case by case basis..... having a blanket wide policy is simply wrong...

But why would any Afghans feel the need to flee from your heroic freedom fighters?
Would you also think it was right if your heroic freedom fighters wanted all foreign aid agencies out of Afghanistan?

[JerseyLily]

But why would any Afghans feel the need to flee from your heroic freedom fighters?
Would you also think it was right if your heroic freedom fighters wanted all foreign aid agencies out of Afghanistan?

Afghans were fleeing long before out heroic freedom fighters, they were fleeing from the northern alliance and hekmatyar and dostum who wer e bombing Kabul into rubble.

[yorkshire observer]

Afghans were fleeing long before out heroic freedom fighters, they were fleeing from the northern alliance and hekmatyar and dostum who wer e bombing Kabul into rubble.

Indeed they were, they've been fleeing for years to countries all round the world.
But I'm sure you'll agree that will all stop when your heroic freedom fighters bring their special brand of law n'order to town once again.

[Illuminate]

But why would any Afghans feel the need to flee from your heroic freedom fighters?
Would you also think it was right if your heroic freedom fighters wanted all foreign aid agencies out of Afghanistan?

why do so many come to the west - why do so many try and get across the mexican border in to the US.... it is known as economic migration..

and who are these hero's - you keep going on about.... I know it will come a surprise to you - but comic book characters - like batman, spiderman, superman and so on are not really....

and who wanted foreign aid agencies out - infact on the contrary during the reign of taliban - they asked for international assistance from aid agency - by the western powers refused help.... As blair said - we will never leave you alone again - has they dropped bombs on villages and towns as they saw a beard guy herding his sheep....

[yorkshire observer]

why do so many come to the west - why do so many try and get across the mexican border in to the US.... it is known as economic migration..

and who are these hero's - you keep going on about.... I know it will come a surprise to you - but comic book characters - like batman, spiderman, superman and so on are not really....

and who wanted foreign aid agencies out - infact on the contrary during the reign of taliban - they asked for international assistance from aid agency - by the western powers refused help.... As blair said - we will never leave you alone again - has they dropped bombs on villages and towns as they saw a beard guy herding his sheep....

I see. So in reality you think that those feeling Afghanistan would be doing it for monetary reasons.
In which case you would think they should be refused asylum.
And as for foreign aid agencies, wasn't that the reason why they destroyed those totems of Afghan history? But then you probably think that Afghan history started with your heroic freedom fighters.
Certainly they did with their policy of destroying Afghan history and culture.
But then you won't care about that because you know so much about Afghans and what they really, really want.

[Illuminate]

I see. So in reality you think that those feeling Afghanistan would be doing it for monetary reasons.
In which case you would think they should be refused asylum.
And as for foreign aid agencies, wasn't that the reason why they destroyed those totems of Afghan history? But then you probably think that Afghan history started with your heroic freedom fighters.
Certainly they did with their policy of destroying Afghan history and culture.
But then you won't care about that because you know so much about Afghans and what they really, really want.

YO - you seem to be confusing issues... first it was about hero's, then asylum, now statues and culture....
like someone said on the other thread - you don't seem to know what you are talking about....

[yorkshire observer]

YO - you seem to be confusing issues... first it was about hero's, then asylum, now statues and culture....
like someone said on the other thread - you don't seem to know what you are talking about....

Lumi, it wouldn't be hard for anyone to have a greater understanding of Afghanistan and its history and culture than you my friend.
What do you think of the taliban's efforts to rub out Afghanistan's history and culture?