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    Bush to Veto Congress Waterboarding (Torture) Ban



    WASHINGTON — No sooner had the Democratic-led Senate has passed a legislation banning the use of the controversial waterboarding tactics against terror detainees, than the White House vowed to veto the legislation.

    "The president will veto that bill," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said on Thursday, February 14, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).


    "The United States needs the ability to interrogate effectively within the law to capture Al-Qaeda terrorists."


    This came a few hours after the Senate voted 51-45 in favor of a bill that bans the use of 19 harsh interrogation techniques including waterboarding, a simulated drowning technique denounced by rights groups as torture.


    The Senate vote, which fell short of the two-thirds majority needed to overcome a presidential veto, came a week after the CIA admitted using waterboarding on three terror suspects in its custody.


    The practice, a staple of brutal interrogations from the Spanish Inquisition to Cambodia's Khmer Rouge regime, usually consists of strapping down a captive, covering his face with a cloth and pouring water onto the cloth.


    The House of Representatives passed similar legislation in December.




    Momentous


    Human rights groups welcomed the Senate move.


    "Regardless of his (Bush's) decision, today's vote is momentous," said Elisa Massimino, the Washington director of Human Rights First.


    "This legislation will ensure that the US no longer employs interrogation methods it would condemn if used by our enemies against captured Americans," she added.


    "We have good reason to believe that the next administration will abandon this misguided legacy of abuse and work with Congress to uphold American values and the rule of law."


    Human Rights Watch also hailed the bill as "anti-torture legislation."

    "Waterboarding is and always has been illegal," said Jennifer Daskal, senior HRW counterterrorism counsel.


    "The president needs to listen to the Congress, and take America out of the torture business -- once and for all."


    The mistreatment of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo has seriously undermined America's reputation as an advocate of human rights.


    "Torture is a defining issue, and it is clear that under the Bush administration, we have lost our way," said Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy.


    "By applying the Field Manual's standards to all US government interrogations, Congress will bring America back from the brink -- back to our values, back to basic decency, back to the rule of law."


    "There must be no doubt in the world that this great nation does not torture," added Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel.


    The bill passage came as embattled Bush was battling Congress on another front in his "war on terror" tactics.


    He is pressing the House of Representatives to quickly pass a controversial wiretapping legislation giving blanket legal immunity for telecom companies helping the government tap foreign telephone calls and emails.


    The House version of the legislation, which Bush has threatened to veto, offers no protection for the telecommunications industry and has more restrictions on the government's power.


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    The practice, a staple of brutal interrogations from the Spanish Inquisition to Cambodia's Khmer Rouge regime, usually consists of strapping down a captive, covering his face with a cloth and pouring water onto the cloth.
    In the 21st century, the richness nations still feels the need to use torture as used during th dark ages in europe - I hope certain do-gooders on this forum who continue to villify islam condemn such practices, which the beacon of democracy wants to practise.. But I am not going to hold my breath...

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    Many things the Government's have done under the Terrorist/Terroism and National Security umberella's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    In the 21st century, the richness nations still feels the need to use torture as used during th dark ages in europe - I hope certain do-gooders on this forum who continue to villify islam condemn such practices, which the beacon of democracy wants to practise.. But I am not going to hold my breath...


    That aint likely to happen bruv. All were gonna get is "but thats not islamaphobic, its racism". Or "human rights this" and "human rights that".
    Now had a "muslim" nation or administration done this, these do-gooders (anything but) would be up in arms.

    Bush and his neocons will go down in history just like Nixon and others who cost america their respect in the world. Nobody will trust anything America ever says or does.

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    Well, President Bush is a cretin. Hardly heart-stopping news.

    Incidentally, I know, very slightly, an American soldier who's served in Iraq. According to him, waterboarding is entirely unnecessary in getting information, so even if you don't mind the torture aspect of it it's a pointless exercise.

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    there are so many suttle methods of extracting information why they use it dont know.how many countries admit to torture,i never knew the americans admitted to using torture let alone use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xris View Post
    there are so many suttle methods of extracting information why they use it dont know.how many countries admit to torture,i never knew the americans admitted to using torture let alone use it.
    They don't class it as torture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUREL View Post
    They don't class it as torture.
    what not torture.i had to experience it as part of my training,i did not find it the most terrifying but it definetly is a type of torture.

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    It's not the worse kind of torture US use. The only Iranian Guantanamu detainee who was captured by mistake, and released last year, was ashamed to express in media how he was tortured. Serious ways of torturing are involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iraniboy View Post
    It's not the worse kind of torture US use. The only Iranian Guantanamu detainee who was captured by mistake, and released last year, was ashamed to express in media how he was tortured. Serious ways of torturing are involved.
    i cant say too much but alot of it is not painful or physical just damned clever and the person would be ashamed to admit he was duped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xris View Post
    i cant say too much but alot of it is not painful or physical just damned clever and the person would be ashamed to admit he was duped.
    I hope it was so but as I was seeing his interview, he couldn't conduct a proper discussion and he was interupting during his speeches. It was clear that he was psychologically damaged. But US has already proved that they really don't care about these things(pain,...) They just want a result by any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iraniboy View Post
    I hope it was so but as I was seeing his interview, he couldn't conduct a proper discussion and he was interupting during his speeches. It was clear that he was psychologically damaged. But US has already proved that they really don't care about these things(pain,...) They just want a result by any way.
    the pain of being locked for years without hope is the most painful it could send the most sane bonkers.whatever a terrorist does you must not let your humanity to others be destroyed or you become as bad as your enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xris View Post
    the pain of being locked for years without hope is the most painful it could send the most sane bonkers.whatever a terrorist does you must not let your humanity to others be destroyed or you become as bad as your enemy.
    He wasn't kept for years but hissin was clear. He was wandering in Afghanistan streets!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xris View Post
    the pain of being locked for years without hope is the most painful it could send the most sane bonkers.whatever a terrorist does you must not let your humanity to others be destroyed or you become as bad as your enemy.

    Like those locked up in Guantanamo. I hear ya Xris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaddeus View Post
    Well, President Bush is a cretin. Hardly heart-stopping news.

    Incidentally, I know, very slightly, an American soldier who's served in Iraq. According to him, waterboarding is entirely unnecessary in getting information, so even if you don't mind the torture aspect of it it's a pointless exercise.

    I also know a few close friends who serve in the US Army and they say this sort of practice is standard. Its just that no one ever admits it.

    As for whats going on in Iraq, only god knows.

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