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    MPACUK were Right. Leading Islamic Scholar endorses Democracy. HT are wrong again!


    A summary of speech delivered by Shaykh Muhammad Saleem Dhorat hafizahullah, containing valuable advice for the Muslim voter.

    The Secret of Success
    Allah ta’aalaa has placed the desire for progress, and the spirit of mutual competitiveness that accompanies it, into the very nature of man. It is natural for individuals and communities to strive to better themselves and achieve progress. As Muslims, we should open the pages of history and discover and adopt those factors which make a nation prosperous, as long as they fall within the bounds of the Sharee‘ah, so that we too can reap the Deeni and worldly benefits of progress.

    Our study should commence with trying to ascertain the secret behind the success of the noble Sahaabah radhiyallaahu anhum, for they are ideal role models of a community that attracted success in its every endeavour. A thoughtful investigation will reveal three prominent qualities which can be attributed to their success. In this election season every Muslim, no matter what his preferred party, should commit him/herself to observing these three principles in order to secure success and achievement, both on a personal and a communal level.

    The First Commitment - Taqwaa
    The Sahaabah radhiyallahu anhum hated all disobedience to Allah ta‘aalaa, they neither had a habit of sinning nor were they fond of any sins. Abstention from sins is the essence of taqwaa, and through it Allah ta‘aalaa has promised relief from every difficulty.
    In dealing with the election issue, we must not say or do anything that displeases Allah ta‘aalaa. Of all the sins to beware of, backbiting and slander are major sins which are a particular threat at such times. One inclined towards a particular party should not backbite or slander a supporter of another party, for in doing so the requirements of taqwaa will be compromised; and Divine assistance and blessings can not be expected in the absence of taqwaa.


    The Second Commitment - Ikhlaas
    Every decision taken by the Sahaabah radhiyallahu anhum was for the Pleasure of Allah ta‘aalaa, keeping in mind the life hereafter and the good of the Muslim community. They would be ready to sacrifice everything for the sake of Allah ta‘aalaa. Whether standing for election, supporting a party or voting, a Muslim must be pure in his intentions. This intention should be to elect the candidate who will best serve the Muslim community in common and humanity in general. If a Muslim has sincerity then his vote will go to the right candidate, for he will consider that he is voting to please Allah ta‘aalaa and therefore he will expend his energies in finding out who the best candidate is.


    The Third Commitment - Unity
    Unity is a key factor for the success of any nation; a truly united community can withstand any competition. Individuals should have the courtesy of mutual respect despite their political rivalries. Sadly, the Muslim community is a divided one. Every individual has the right to his own opinion and his own preference, within Shar'ee boundaries, but our mutual differences transform into malice and enmity towards each other. Not even our masaajid are free from our feuding. We can only hang our heads in shame when matters reach a head and TV and press reports announce that political wrangling amongst Muslims has spilled over into fights outside a masjid after Friday prayers.

    We go to the extremes; if we like something in a particular person, we praise him to the extreme, whereas if we disagree with someone on one issue, we become blind to all the good qualities he possesses. Our dealings are but a faint shadow of the Islamic concept of brotherhood our beloved Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam taught. True brotherhood demands that whatever our political stripe, we should be able to sit at a table and sacrifice our political allegiances for the sake of†Allah and agree to support the candidate who is best for the Muslims in common and the country in general. We should be willing to marginalize our differences in order to progress in a common direction.

    In fact, if the Muslims of a particular constituency were to unite on a single platform and form a committee, responsible for recommending the best candidate to Muslim voters, every party would turn to the committee and accede to its demands on behalf of the Muslim community. They would realise the importance of securing the Muslim vote. All that is needed to achieve unity is a little sacrifice and the willingness to swallow one's pride. May Allah ta‘aalaa grant us all the longing to strive for taqwaa, ikhlaas and unity. Aameen.


    Using Your Vote
    1. The vote is very important. It is a means of electing the person most beneficial for the Muslim community and our country.
    2. Voting is a big responsibility.†Not voting or voting incorrectly will bring power to the wrong person.
    3. The best candidate deserves our vote.
    4. We should become politically aware.
    5. We should read every party’s manifesto.
    6. We should study party policies via the internet, radio, newspapers and knowledgeable people in our communities, who possess political acumen.
    7. We should find out which party offers us the best in all spheres of life; education, housing, health, social issues, international policy etc. Deciding on a party by just looking at one issue does not constitute farsightedness.
    8. We should think rationally, not make judgements based on emotions.
    9. Finally, we should make du’aa to Allah ta‘aalaa, asking Him to enable us to make the right choice and that may He grant success to those who will serve the country and its citizens without any prejudice or wrong.
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    Surprise Surprise - HT are wrong again

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    Yea but they beat MPAC in that live TV debate tho....

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    Why not find the common ground and use it to plan and mobilise together, rather than constantly fighting one another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique View Post
    Why not find the common ground and use it to plan and mobilise together, rather than constantly fighting one another?
    Is there common ground?
    "My most brilliant achievement was my ability to be able to persuade my wife to marry me." - Winston Churchill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikebloke View Post
    Is there common ground?
    Not really.
    Just monkeying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    From the front page:

    MPACUK were Right. Leading Islamic Scholar endorses Democracy. HT are wrong again!




    http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/3995/1/


    Surprise Surprise - HT are wrong again
    cheeky... thats no real proof against their position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique View Post
    Why not find the common ground and use it to plan and mobilise together, rather than constantly fighting one another?
    they are poles apart

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    No theyre much closer than most people think.

    HT do not say voting is haraam outright. There are shades of grey in which co-operation can be achieved.

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    HT or MPAC pledge your allegiances and get ready for battle more a case of

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique View Post
    Why not find the common ground and use it to plan and mobilise together, rather than constantly fighting one another?
    excellent point..

    there maybe no actual common ground...but surely not everything they talk of are outright in opposition...

    its like a school playgorund...'your wrong, im right...' and continuous chanting of this...whilst the division just enhances...

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    Lets see if there is any common ground... List some few points:





    As far as I know Mpacuk did try to work with HT ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    Lets see if there is any common ground... List some few points:





    As far as I know Mpacuk did try to work with HT ...
    they are Muslims.

    its not about who worked with who..its about still trying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mareyah View Post
    they are Muslims.

    its not about who worked with who..its about still trying...
    I agree - but they are too many issue's.....with HT.

    I think HT need to get their act together first - make their position clear on issues like voting, mosque and so on- Most of the time I personally get mixed messages and don't know where they stand on these matters - That is the biggest problem.

    If MPACUK and HT want to work together, I think HT need to provide solution to problems rather than constant criticism - like MPACUK they have produce the way mosque should work and operate, but HT nothing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate View Post
    I agree - but they are too many issue's.....with HT.

    I think HT need to get their act together first - make their position clear on issues like voting, mosque and so on- Most of the time I personally get mixed messages and don't know where they stand on these matters - That is the biggest problem.

    If MPACUK and HT want to work together, I think HT need to provide solution to problems rather than constant criticism - like MPACUK they have produce the way mosque should work and operate, but HT nothing...
    there are faults with both..mixed messages do stemfrom HT...mpacuks Islamic adhab isnt very nice...so both can learn alot from each other..its about sitting down...and really talking and producing what both want for the ummah, also where both are going wrong...the article mpacuk produced...have they sat with HT and talked it through?...the communication they currently have is all about full on debate 'anger management course' need be adopted by both...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mareyah View Post
    the communication they currently have is all about full on debate 'anger management course' need be adopted by both...
    anger management course's - lol...... need to find someone with a good temprament to manage all these angry people

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    There are always commonality between all sorts of people including groups. All people can get along....the only condition is this..........






































    Both sides want to.

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    i suppose the above^^^ has been tried and tested...but when one has just negatives to outlet [which both HT and mpacuk do] it is obvious nothing can be achieved...it is rhetorical and boring...but perhaps HT need mpacuk to put into action what the many things HT mandate proposes i.e the youth work etc...[most probably chatting jibberish] also its not about who takes the first step...its about who mentions what is benefit fo the ummah via action and spirituality and taking that leap and involving the other 'asleep' one to contribute...will HT or should the asleep one be mpacuk; say no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mareyah View Post
    i suppose the above^^^ has been tried and tested...but when one has just negatives to outlet [which both HT and mpacuk do] it is obvious nothing can be achieved...it is rhetorical and boring...but perhaps HT need mpacuk to put into action what the many things HT mandate proposes i.e the youth work etc...[most probably chatting jibberish] also its not about who takes the first step...its about who mentions what is benefit fo the ummah via action and spirituality and taking that leap and involving the other 'asleep' one to contribute...will HT or should the asleep one be mpacuk; say no?
    NO I mean YES

    Important point, what benefits the ummah - I think HT, spend and exert all there energy on caliphate, with out actually address real current problems - locally/nationally/internatioanlly..... That is a major problem - HT need to get away from the idea we wait for the caliphate before we address issues and find solutions.....IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by mareyah View Post
    there are faults with both..mixed messages do stemfrom HT...mpacuks Islamic adhab isnt very nice...so both can learn alot from each other..its about sitting down...and really talking and producing what both want for the ummah, also where both are going wrong...the article mpacuk produced...have they sat with HT and talked it through?...the communication they currently have is all about full on debate 'anger management course' need be adopted by both...
    I agree mpac need anger managment courses from what information i can gather many muslim groups in uk don't want anything to do with mpac because of their childish behaviour.

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