30 days to Live .....

[Re-born Jihadi]

It tells us that, sadly, the ACTIVE, CURRENT terrorist threat is exclusively from Muslims- simple as that. If Cornish separatists started blowing things up, they'd be detained too. It's not that hard to understand.

It tells us that you buy into what this "control-freak" government with no credibility and zionist media print and spout.

Apart from 7/7 where has the threat been exclusively from Muslims. Yet draconian laws are being brought in that are taking away the very democractic rights that all us citizens have.

Even though weapons were found at the home of a BNP member (the biggest haul since post war) its hardly reported in the press. I dont see the government or you looking at that as a terrorist threat..

link http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewar...aspx?id=420965


Muslims are being made the scapegoat for this governments foregin policy disasters in the middle east.

We just happen to be wise to that fact, shame you are not.

[drepf]

It tells us that you buy into what this "control-freak" government with no credibility and zionist media print and spout.

Apart from 7/7 where has the threat been exclusively from Muslims. Yet draconian laws are being brought in that are taking away the very democractic rights that all us citizens have..

21/7? Oh no ,that was MI5 wasn't it.
Richard Reid? What was he, Mossad?

Even though weapons were found at the home of a BNP member (the biggest haul since post war) its hardly reported in the press. I dont see the government or you looking at that as a terrorist threat..

link http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewar...aspx?id=420965..

Where did you find out about it then? I read about it on the BBC, those Islamophobic scallywags.

Muslims are being made the scapegoat for this governments foregin policy disasters in the middle east.

We just happen to be wise to that fact, shame you are not.

That's known as "proof by assertion"- if you bleat on about Muslims being victimised for long enough and loud enough, it will become true. Unfortunately the facts don't support you.

[Re-born Jihadi]

21/7? Oh no ,that was MI5 wasn't it.

Have we heard of them since. No. So probably was an inside job.
Richard Reid? What was he, Mossad?

You are right about 1 thing.
Richard Reid = would-be-terrorist
Mossad = creators of terrorsim

Where did you find out about it then? I read about it on the BBC, those Islamophobic scallywags.

Funny how it was just a small read and then quickly forgotten about. But then hey, it was WHITE extremists and we dont want that. We want to
keep focus on the Muslims dont we.


That's known as "proof by assertion"- if you bleat on about Muslims being victimised for long enough and loud enough, it will become true. Unfortunately the facts don't support you.

Just like the JEWS do you mean.

The facts are all there in black and white. Shame your eyes have suddenly developed cataracts.

[termin8or]

My goodness, there aint 'arf some moaning taking place here. If I stepped back in time a year it would be difficult to tell as it is the same rhetoric now, as it was then.

We are bad, the west is bad, evil, Muslims can do no wrong, damn Zionists, it wasn't us, victim, moan,moan, moan..........urgh.

Draconian....Can you tell me what restrictions have been placed on YOU personally as there have been NONE placed on me or anyone else I know.

Have Muslims been barred from having a business, education or health care. Is there someone stopping you and saying "papers please" when you are walking along the street. Have you the right to criticise and voice your opinion without fear. Are you barred from holding a position in local government or local political groups. Does anyone say to you, you cannot have or do that because you are a muslim. You have all rights within the law that I have but your perceived state is somewhere else and you choose to live in apparant victimhood with all the ills of the Muslims the responsibility of and blamed on others.

[Re-born Jihadi]

My goodness, there aint 'arf some moaning taking place here. If I stepped back in time a year it would be difficult to tell as it is the same rhetoric now, as it was then.

Maybe you should take a year off. Take longer actually,

We are bad, the west is bad, evil, Muslims can do no wrong, damn Zionists, it wasn't us, victim, moan,moan, moan..........urgh.

Draconian....Can you tell me what restrictions have been placed on YOU personally as there have been NONE placed on me or anyone else I know.


Well I, and quite a few others I know, have been stopped quite often, cos we fit the stereotype "arabian-asian looking, with beard, and skull cap" and asked to produce our papers for no apparent reason. In all my previous 30+ years that never happened. And its all cos of these draconian laws that target you cos of your race/religion.

Other draconian laws that actually are seeing muslims being detained without any charges or evidence being brought against them.

Have Muslims been barred from having a business, education or health care. Is there someone stopping you and saying "papers please" when you are walking along the street. Have you the right to criticise and voice your opinion without fear. Are you barred from holding a position in local government or local political groups. Does anyone say to you, you cannot have or do that because you are a muslim. You have all rights within the law that I have but your perceived state is somewhere else and you choose to live in apparant victimhood with all the ills of the Muslims the responsibility of and blamed on others.

Exactly my point, because you dont suffer these prejudices, you seem to think that anyone else who does and objects/voices their viewpoint is doing out of false victimhood.

You would prefer us to stay quiet, so as to not rock the boat, and allow this and other acts of victimisation against the muslim population continue.

Well got news for ya!!! We aint gonna stay quiet and you and your zealous fascist bigots are gonna hear about it.

[termin8or]

Exactly my point, because you dont suffer these prejudices, you seem to think that anyone else who does and objects/voices their viewpoint is doing out of false victimhood.

You would prefer us to stay quiet, so as to not rock the boat, and allow this and other acts of victimisation against the muslim population continue.

Well got news for ya!!! We aint gonna stay quiet and you and your zealous fascist bigots are gonna hear about it.

Exactly your point...? What point. You have not addressed or answered any points from my post. I repeat...

My goodness, there aint 'arf some moaning taking place here. If I stepped back in time a year it would be difficult to tell as it is the same rhetoric now, as it was then.


Draconian....Can you tell me what restrictions have been placed on YOU personally as there have been NONE placed on me or anyone else I know.

Have Muslims been barred from having a business, education or health care. Is there someone stopping you and saying "papers please" when you are walking along the street. Have you the right to criticise and voice your opinion without fear. Are you barred from holding a position in local government or local political groups. Does anyone say to you, you cannot have or do that because you are a muslim. You have all rights within the law that I have but your perceived state is somewhere else and you choose to live in apparant victimhood with all the ills of the Muslims the responsibility of and blamed on others.

Please be more specific about the fascist state we live in with regard to Muslims in the context of their oppression and lack of freedoms

[Re-born Jihadi]

Exactly your point...? What point. You have not addressed or answered any points from my post. I repeat...


Please be more specific about the fascist state we live in with regard to Muslims in the context of their oppression and lack of freedoms

I think i've answered it quite clearly. If youre not able to understand it
then thats your problem.


Draconian....Can you tell me what restrictions have been placed on YOU personally as there have been NONE placed on me or anyone else I know.

Well I, and quite a few others I know, have been stopped quite often, cos we fit the stereotype "arabian-asian looking, with beard, and skull cap" and asked to produce our papers for no apparent reason. In all my previous 30+ years that never happened. And its all cos of these draconian laws that target you cos of your race/religion.

Other draconian laws that actually are seeing muslims being detained without any charges or evidence being brought against them

[termin8or]

I think i've answered it quite clearly. If youre not able to understand it
then thats your problem.


Draconian....Can you tell me what restrictions have been placed on YOU personally as there have been NONE placed on me or anyone else I know.

Well I, and quite a few others I know, have been stopped quite often, cos we fit the stereotype "arabian-asian looking, with beard, and skull cap" and asked to produce our papers for no apparent reason. In all my previous 30+ years that never happened. And its all cos of these draconian laws that target you cos of your race/religion.

Other draconian laws that actually are seeing muslims being detained without any charges or evidence being brought against them

What about the rest of it? You give me the impression you are being excluded from all walks of life in this fascist country

The judicial system requires evidence or charge and if neither is provided the person has to be freed. Of course there is remand which is less than perfect, but as with all legal systems, perfection is difficult to achieve.

Also if you would be so kind, if we base today as a starting point, could you list the freedoms you have lost recently as a wish list to have back.

[Re-born Jihadi]

What about the rest of it? You give me the impression you are being excluded from all walks of life in this fascist country

The judicial system requires evidence or charge and if neither is provided the person has to be freed. Of course there is remand which is less than perfect, but as with all legal systems, perfection is difficult to achieve.

Also if you would be so kind, if we base today as a starting point, could you list the freedoms you have lost recently as a wish list to have back.

Why should I list them for you. Not as if you gonna provide me with a solution are you.

judicial system requires evidence or charge and if neither is provided the person has to be freed

The countless number of brothers who have detained over the last few years without any charges/evidence brought against them all happen to be muslim. Thats enough for me to know what this fascist state is all about.

[drepf]

Just like the JEWS do you mean.

The facts are all there in black and white. Shame your eyes have suddenly developed cataracts.

What are you on about? Who mentioned the Jews, until you did?
Or are you indulging in a little Iranian-style holocaust denial?
Or are you equating a few stop-and-searches with Kristallnacht and the Final Solution?- because you're demented if you are.

[termin8or]

Why should I list them for you. Not as if you gonna provide me with a solution are you.

Thats because none exist.

The countless number of brothers who have detained over the last few years without any charges/evidence brought against them all happen to be muslim. Thats enough for me to know what this fascist state is all about.

Once again, if they are to be held, the judicial system requires charge or evidence. Although it may take a while, without it they are released.

You are obviously struggling with life in such a fascist environment. You should consider your health & state of mind.

[Traveller]

Well I, and quite a few others I know, have been stopped quite often, cos we fit the stereotype "arabian-asian looking, with beard, and skull cap" and asked to produce our papers for no apparent reason.

What papers would these be exactly?

[drepf]

The countless number of brothers who have detained over the last few years without any charges/evidence brought against them all happen to be muslim. Thats enough for me to know what this fascist state is all about.

That's "countless" as in "not many" I take it.

[sami_83]

From there Raissi was detained for five months at Belmarsh Prison,

From your source (not two years it seems).


There was evidence. The fact that the evidence suggested by the FBI turned out to be false or inflated was the reason for his ultimate release (that's how the system works: The same for remand prisoners facing any serious criminal case in the UK. People are remanded in custody everyday in the UK after evidence is gathered, then tested in a court. If the evidence stands - conviction, if it fails - release).

Where are these people detained for 2 years without charge and because they are Muslim?

those under control orders are not given the opportunity to challenge their detention a special immigration appeals tribunal hears the case - secret evidence, closed proceedings - special advocates are used so that not even your legal representative is there.... what you describe is far from how it is for those under control orders - they dont even know why they are held...or put under such restrictions.

[sami_83]

Why should I list them for you. Not as if you gonna provide me with a solution are you.

judicial system requires evidence or charge and if neither is provided the person has to be freed

The countless number of brothers who have detained over the last few years without any charges/evidence brought against them all happen to be muslim. Thats enough for me to know what this fascist state is all about.

That is why i have no confidence in the system

[Re-born Jihadi]

What are you on about? Who mentioned the Jews, until you did?
Or are you indulging in a little Iranian-style holocaust denial?
Or are you equating a few stop-and-searches with Kristallnacht and the Final Solution?- because you're demented if you are.

I had my doubts about you but you have answered them now.

You actually are a JEW who thinks he can coerce peoples opinions so that your zionist entity stays free from criticism.

Well it aint gonna work.

For a start I was responding to a reply that wasnt yours and secondly read it in full people and see where its holocaust denial or anti-marmite.

DREPF - That's known as "proof by assertion"- if you bleat on about Muslims being victimised for long enough and loud enough, it will become true. Unfortunately the facts don't support you.

ME - Just like the JEWS do you mean.


How many decades have we been drip-fed the Jewish victim mentality? None of us buy it anymore.

[Re-born Jihadi]

Thats because none exist.

In your empty mind, maybe.


Once again, if they are to be held, the judicial system requires charge or evidence. Although it may take a while, without it they are released.

How many non-muslims have had to suffer or endure this. None. Yet muslim brothers are continously, so that the hysteria is prolonged, rounded up, kept without evidence or charged, and then released after weeks sometimes months. And this is supposed to be democracy, where you have no rights.

You are obviously struggling with life in such a fascist environment. You should consider your health & state of mind.

Mine are fine. And far from struggling, doing just fine. Will be doing even better once the muslim ummah and its influence is felt within british society.

If you then dont want to live in that kinda environment, cos its not british enough for ya, i will happily get you a one-way ticket out to tel aviv.

[Re-born Jihadi]

That's "countless" as in "not many" I take it.

Go and do your maths exams again if you dont know how many that is.

[Re-born Jihadi]

That is why i have no confidence in the system

Same her SAMI. Its a kangaroo court.

[termin8or]

Mine are fine. And far from struggling, doing just fine. Will be doing even better once the muslim ummah and its influence is felt within british society.

If you then dont want to live in that kinda environment, cos its not british enough for ya, i will happily get you a one-way ticket out to tel aviv.

Pipedream. You have no idea.