Shaking hands with men?

[Zesty]

i know what you trying to say but you cant really phone up an say by the way i dont want to shake any hands when i come in for that interview...i suppose you could mention it to someone before you go into the interview room - but i can be sure you wont get the job...

This is actually possible- i know of someone who had an interview for medicine and he didnt want to shake hands with any female interviewers. He rang in and asked them whether there were females on the panel and also that as a muslim he will not be shaking her hand- therefore can this be told to the appropriate people so that they do not get offended.
I never did find out the whole story though cos i think unfortunately he did shake a ladies hand (one was a muslim sister which made him feel even worse)- lol :-/
But i think there are ways around it.

[Illuminate]

Where has the guy gone who says it is ok to shake womens hands?
I would like to see the fatwas , it would make my life easier.

Imam Hanifa and Ahmed, based there ruling on shaking hands with old woman - according to a hadith, were prophet (saw) did and when Abu Bakr (ra) did when he was the caliphate.

Is there a fatwa for this type of situation ?

In a purely professional sense ?

As you know, when you're in a non-Muslim country, the rules change.

You are quite right - for every ruling in shariah, there is wisdom behind, even if ppl don't know, there is a purpose behind it, same with the shaking of hands - the wisdom behind this, that it create a barrier, so not to spread fitnah.

Fiqh is a deep subject and subhanallah is really well developed, when scholars look at a situation, like this they look number of principles of fiqh, and this situation there are two that need to be looked at - Necessity and custom.. As in fiqh there are qawaid's (priniciples) like - Necessity makes the unlawful lawful” (Ad-daruratu tubiyh al-mahzurah) and “Necessity is measured in accordance with its true proportions” (Ad-daruratu tuqdaru bi-qadriha). and Custom is the basis of judgement” (Al-‘addatu muhakkamatun) - hence why I said earlier when it becomes necessay, it would probably be acceptable - it is not about compromise - it is about looking at the fiqhi and usuli prinicples.....


Here is a fatwa:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1144161661405

[Peacenik]

Illuminate, thank you for that link.

I'll post an excerpt :


"There are two common hadiths concerning shaking hands with the opposite sex.

In the first hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, "I do not shake hands with women" (Al-Bukhari).


The second hadith is narrated on the authority of Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him), he said :

"The female slave from Madinah would take hold of the hand of Allah's Messenger and lead him wherever she wished, without withdrawing her hands from his hands until the Prophet fulfils her need" (Ahmad).


Based on the two hadiths, we conclude that the basic rule discourages shaking hands with members of the opposite sex, but if one were put in an awkward situation, then there would be no harm to shake hands with members of the opposite sex.

This ruling applies to Muslims living in the West because of the social customs prevailing in these countries.


Now that's what one calls common sense (and within Islamic Law too)

[Peter North]

Isn't this a case of "when in Rome, do as the romans do?"

Shaking hands is a basic gesture of friendship. A display to others that you hold no weapons.

I understand that Muslims have some issues with hygene, after all, who would shake hands with a minger? But it's the polite thing to do. I think Allah would forgive a gesture of politeness and friendship.

[Salaam]

Isn't this a case of "when in Rome, do as the romans do?"

Shaking hands is a basic gesture of friendship. A display to others that you hold no weapons.

I understand that Muslims have some issues with hygene, after all, who would shake hands with a minger? But it's the polite thing to do. I think Allah would forgive a gesture of politeness and friendship.

Nah, that doesn't really apply at all. Because in some countries the men and women like to kiss as a sign of friendship.... so... you get the picture

[BHAI1]

Isn't this a case of "when in Rome, do as the romans do?"

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THE ROMAN SOCIETY WAS RIFE WITH SODOMY..PAEDOPHILIA..WIFE SWAPPING..INCEST..AND MORE..

[Peter North]

Nah, that doesn't really apply at all. Because in some countries the men and women like to kiss as a sign of friendship.... so... you get the picture

Not in this country though. You might find that in the French but they are barbaric savages who havent evolved since the 7th century.

A handshake is just a gesture of friendship. Tolerate it the first time but then explain.

[Peter North]

THE ROMAN SOCIETY WAS RIFE WITH SODOMY..PAEDOPHILIA..WIFE SWAPPING..INCEST..AND MORE..

So is Bradford (especially the incest) but it doesn't stop Muslims flocking there

[Salaam]

Not in this country though. You might find that in the French but they are barbaric savages who havent evolved since the 7th century.

A handshake is just a gesture of friendship. Tolerate it the first time but then explain.

Hmmm... the french may say a kiss is a gesture of friendship and a handshake is too prudish.... <sigh> Where do you draw the line heh?

[Traveller]

THE ROMAN SOCIETY WAS RIFE WITH SODOMY..PAEDOPHILIA..WIFE SWAPPING..INCEST..AND MORE..

Even if that was true, as the Romans didn't shake hands in greeting, maybe it's no defence to avoid doing so today?

[BHAI1]

ISLAM TEACHES THE PREVENTION OF SIN FROM ..POINT 1..IE LOOKING OR TOUCHING

SOCIETIES WHERE EVERYONE IS "FRIENDLY"..ARE DISEASED ..WE SEE THIS IN VOLUNTARY WORK..WORKING WITH DIVORCEES..

NO 1..COMPLAINT..I INTRODUCED MY MISSUS TO MY BROTHER
READ THE ..SUN NEWSPAPER FOR ..STUDY AND HOW NOT TO LIVE


ISLAM TEACHES POLITENESS AND GOOD CHARACTER..EVERYTHING HAS RULES..FOR A REASON

[Peter North]

Hmmm... the french may say a kiss is a gesture of friendship and a handshake is too prudish.... <sigh> Where do you draw the line heh?

It all depends on how badly you want to bridge the gulf of cultures. I'm not advocating suddenly snogging a stranger in France. Even I wouldn't go that far. You have to crack a little bit though because its a trust issue. Try and understand it from the majority perspective who knows little if anything about Islam.

[Traveller]

[QUOTE]

ISLAM TEACHES THE PREVENTION OF SIN FROM ..POINT 1..IE LOOKING OR TOUCHING

I'd really like to explore this point further but I expect it would be considered 'off topic'.

ISLAM TEACHES POLITENESS AND GOOD CHARACTER..EVERYTHING HAS RULES..FOR A REASON

Has the politeness of not using capitals exclusively passed you by?

[Peter North]

SOCIETIES WHERE EVERYONE IS "FRIENDLY"..ARE DISEASED ..WE SEE THIS IN VOLUNTARY WORK..WORKING WITH DIVORCEES..

Promiscuous societies are diseased but no-one ever caught HIV or syphilis from shaking hands. That I know of anyways.

What are you saying about divorcees by the way. I don't follow.

[Bathtub admiral]

Promiscuous societies are diseased but no-one ever caught HIV or syphilis from shaking hands. That I know of anyways.

What are you saying about divorcees by the way. I don't follow.

He's arguing that encouraging people to shake hands leads to the breakdown of morality in a society. Comon sense really.

[Traveller]

He's arguing that encouraging people to shake hands leads to the breakdown of morality in a society. Comon sense really.

I'm struggling to restrain my urge to challenge this assertion, just!

[BHAI1]

just read the problem pages of newspapers ..to see how a smile ..handshake becomes a one night stand...broken family..suicide heartache....guilt..ad nauseum..

islam prevents ..point A....the absolute possibility..........the smile ...to a ghair mahram or a handshake which could illicit a "zing"..
er....to put it politely chemistry


the designer knows the flaws in his creation..
we are flawed by design are we not..
AND ALLAH IS PERFECT

[Traveller]

just read the problem pages of newspapers ..to see how a smile ..handshake becomes a one night stand...broken family..suicide heartache....guilt..ad nauseum..

Do you honestly believe that?

Do you have so little self-control?

Is there something wrong with me because I'm not overcome with lust whenever I see an attractive woman or shake hands with someone of the opposite sex?

[Peacenik]

Traveller, it's the principle behind the reason (although it is allowed by some Scholars, impermissible from others - the reasons 'for' the ruling is that the environment should be work-related and completely professional).

[Bathtub admiral]

just read the problem pages of newspapers ..to see how a smile ..handshake becomes a one night stand...broken family..suicide heartache....guilt..ad nauseum..

Are you serious? Have you ever heard of the slippery slope fallacy?

Islam prevents ..point A....the absolute possibility..........the smile ...to a ghair mahram or a handshake which could illicit a "zing"..
er....to put it politely chemistry


the designer knows the flaws in his creation..
we are flawed by design are we not..
AND ALLAH IS PERFECT

Maybe I should just stay indoors from now on. I mean think of all the risks I put myself through when I venture out of the front door.