How the Butcher Karimov executed his plan

[applepie]

Just a hunch, are you a quasi socialist?

[Rabbit]

Just a hunch, are you a quasi socialist?

Its clear that you aren't.

And drop this whole pretence of superiority, we know you’re a punjab.

But then again its a free world, you can swallow whatever ejaculate you want to...... Higher up the food chain , yeah right Ranjit Singh

[Zayd as-Salaam]

Appliepie, if you want to discuss thought with thought, reply to my posts.

I wouldn't make comments like that against Bangladeshis - if you think you're higher in the food chain than them, it's a twisted kufr way of looking at your Muslim brothers. Your ideas are, to be frank, mash up - open your eyes, otherwise your confusion will not leave you and you will linger in discontent whilst wondering what's going wrong in your life.

[applepie]

Its clear that you aren't.

And drop this whole pretence of superiority, we know you’re a punjab.

I'm a punjab am I?

Geez, being a whole province is good for my ego!

Yes I am a Punjabi. I have never tried to hide it. (edited).

[Huthaifah]

And no I will not see the Muslim world as equal, we simply are not.

proof from the Quran and Sunnah would be good!

[applepie]

Listen, God may view us equally in terms of his mercy, but its clear that we need to act in accordance to an upgraded law, the law of survival of the fittest. I want Pakistan to "win", and so should all other ppl with there own nations.

[Rabbit]

I'm a punjab am I?

Are you not?

Geez, being a whole province is good for my ego!

It was supposed to ridicule, anybody from the punjab can't possibly claim superiority over anybody else.

Yes I am a Punjabi. I have never tried to hide it. And no I will not see the Muslim world as equal, we simply are not. Survival of the fittest is a genuine concept, and I believe its our manifest destiny to dominate the Muslim world

I don't want to respond to this
.

Just as the Japanese are the Kings amongst the Orientals, we must be the masters amongst the Muslims.

And you're calling me a militant nationalist??? You're a lunatic

[Zayd as-Salaam]

Applepie, can you not reply thought with thought?

You love nationalism ... so you lick it when some time in the not too distant past some men decided to draw some borders on a map and told you to lick this country with your love and blood... So, if you're born in Pakistan to parents whose grandparents settled in Pakistan, that makes you a Pakistani. BUT, if you're born 1 meter on the other side of the border in Afghnistan, the border thatw as drawn by British colonial officers of what have you, you're an Afghan? This kufr does not deserve our licks

I call that backwardness.

[Rabbit]

Listen, God may view us equally in terms of his mercy, but its clear that we need to act in accordance to an upgraded law, the law of survival of the fittest. I want Pakistan to "win", and so should all other ppl with there own nations.

So you'd will be willing to admit that the European (caucasians) are The supreme race (was Hitler correct?) and are inherently superior to the darker masses in the world (including you). They've dominated the planet for the last 3 centuries in every sense and have contributed the most to humanity in the fields of sciency, technology (and almost everything else). They have revolutionised the world like no one else.

You see, its quite blatant that in any such competetive ladder (incorporating intellectuall, scientific and other achievements) your people are more than likely to come out near the bottom ranks (most Muslims would). You should talk to some BNP types sometime, they'll tell you how much respect they have for "your" people.

[Zayd as-Salaam]

Rabbit, with respect, let applepie answer all my thoughts

[khilafah4islam]

Applepie your nationalistic thoughts crazy. You have no evidence from the Quran or Hadith to justify them but have the nerve to tell us we should embrace them.

Pakistan this, Pakistan that. Why do u have so much alliegience to Pakistan and tell people they should have the same for their own so called nations. The nations and states in the Islamic World are fraudalent. Fake borders which were not drawn by the Muslims but we stupidly accept them. Yes thier are language differences and cultural differences between us all and that is fine however fact is we are all brothers and nothing should divide us. a Muslim in Arabia may dress differently to a muslim in Indonesia? However that doesnt mean we should be competing against each other or feel more affinity to to the one who dresses similar to onself.

One thing I am glad of is even though they divided the Islamic World and spread the germ of nationalism the Ummah by large has rejected these alien concepts.

[applepie]

So you'd will be willing to admit that the European (caucasians) are The supreme race (was Hitler correct?) and are inherently superior to the darker masses in the world (including you). They've dominated the planet for the last 3 centuries in every sense and have contributed the most to humanity in the fields of sciency, technology (and almost everything else). They have revolutionised the world like no one else.

You see, its quite blatant that in any such competetive ladder (incorporating intellectuall, scientific and other achievements) your people are more than likely to come out near the bottom ranks (most Muslims would). You should talk to some BNP types sometime, they'll tell you how much respect they have for "your" people.

No I do not agree with Hitler et al. I am not advocating Nazi race policies or anything like it. But the Darwinist concept of survival of the fittest, which is not a racist concept. Yes in recent times the West has dominated, and why?

Because they look our for themselves! Thats my point. I want Pakistan to act in its own interest, without regard for a broader ummah. I dont except such ppl as the BNP to "like my type"-I just want my own ppl to develop a sense of worth, and TRY to rise as high as possible. We may fail, we may not be the "fittest"-but I believe with proper management and options, we are as able as any other group. We will not know until we try.

The animal kingdom is run of such a concept, I feel a all out competition is natural, and the key to success is to create that concept of self worth. Moreover, amongst the sub groupings of the human race (whites, blacks, orientals....extended to religious groups Jews, Muslims ect) each can have its "champion" and of the Muslim sub-category I want it to me my own people.

Whats wrong with wanting to install a sense of self worth and to make them lift themselves up from poverty and irrelevance?

[Rabbit]

Maybe you were joking, but what do you expect us to presume if you are coming out with offal like this–

“If I considered you my equal, your opinion would matter.”
“And I'm still higher up the food chain then your skinny Bangladeshi ass”

I wouldn't recommend that you resort to using language with such racial undertones (maybe I went over the top as well, I apologize) in the future, especially as the peremptory neo-nazis have it in for your community.

[applepie]

All I want is to see my people and the land of my origins to be successful. This is no crime, nor a bad thing.

I agree that the racial connotations were unfortunate, and that we were both guilty of employing them. For that I apologise. I sense that we are not too different as people, we just see different ways to the same goal: namely the improvement in the condition of our peoples.

Agree?

[Basayev]

Salam alaykum


Does anyone have any info on uzbekistan? Are there any Mujahideen there? Is there an armed resistance?

[Yahya]

I've heard this group talk on PTV and other networks. They are extremist, and they have no place in Islam. They are banned in almost every Islamic nation, there demands are ill planned, impractical and frankly absurd. They come across as egotistical trouble makers, and I am happy to see them being dealt with with the iron first of former Soviet state machinary.

I feel sorry for all the normal Muslims who died, may Allah repay them, but the fanatical jokers who fly far from the peace and tolerance of true Islam are indeed enemies of Islam, and far from its saviours.

This is a shameful post and the ones that follow it do nothing to redeem this brother.

Those who side with the oppressors share thier sins.

I do not agree with HT on many things but this brothers discription of them borders on slander. It is not surprising therefore that he prefers the collection of tyrants who devide and rule the Ummah to the brothers and sisters in HT who seek Muslim unity.

I think the mods should be as harsh on him as they have been on HT members when they cross the line. Though they have sometimes offended me by their presumptions about my opinions and those of others, they do not act as abusively as this brother.

[Suhail]

I'm a punjab am I?

Geez, being a whole province is good for my ego!

Yes I am a Punjabi. I have never tried to hide it. And no I will not see the Muslim world as equal, we simply are not. Survival of the fittest is a genuine concept, and I believe its our manifest destiny to dominate the Muslim world.

Just as the Japanese are the Kings amongst the Orientals, we must be the masters amongst the Muslims.

We could learn alot from the "kafirs"-they are obviously doing something right.

I am still trying to work if you were trying to be sarcastic or just really stupid in this post.

Can you tell me which?

[Huthaifah]

Originally Posted by applepie
I've heard this group talk on PTV and other networks. They are extremist, and they have no place in Islam. They are banned in almost every Islamic nation, there demands are ill planned, impractical and frankly absurd. They come across as egotistical trouble makers, and I am happy to see them being dealt with with the iron first of former Soviet state machinary.

I feel sorry for all the normal Muslims who died, may Allah repay them, but the fanatical jokers who fly far from the peace and tolerance of true Islam are indeed enemies of Islam, and far from its saviours.

Just as much as I disagree with them, I will not call death upon them, and nither is this place, going to be used for your filthy nationalistic ideas.

we expect that you edit this out and apologise or face the ban. Your choice

[applepie]

What parts are offensive?

[applepie]

I have edited it.