muslims can never affect or change this countries decisions

[abu_ali]

salam

groups like mpac mcb mab and others who call for more muslim mp's and more muslim lords.. should realise this method is failure... we can see through recent events in lebanon.. how when muslim mp's and lords and groups all singed a letter asking for thegovernemnt too look at its foreign policy.. how the government rusbihhed off...

they will never listen to you.. its not in their intrests.. there is a global war agsint islam.. even the labour party which has the most muslim mp's and supporters is not worried about the muslim vote.. otherwise it wuld listen to the commuity.. rather it asks the muslim to follow them or else.. you cannot affect their foreign policy even if you had 100 muslim mp's as its not in the countries intrest..

so thosewho call for this should stand back and realise itsn ot the right way..

[AgtBauer]

If you say so.

[Isaac]

Any suggestions to how we could get our voice heard. Im not being sarcastic, im serious. Its onlty because come election time, most shcolars and muslim leaders come out into the open and urge muslims to vote, after elections the same scholars and leaders dissapear. So obviously now that we have follwed their ways by if we did vote, it does not work, what else can we do. It might be a bit far fetched, but muslims right now are crying to have a voice - one voice, so why in beautiful name of Allah do we have 5 leading different muslim organisations within the UK orpublic ligght. i.e MCB, MAC, SCB, and others, when they claim that they are for one reaosn and this is for the muslim ummah. If that is the case and they dont have other motives i put a request to them as muslim who wants to see untity, lets be realistic in the UK to start of with to put aside their differene and become one organisation. That is off course if you dont have other motives other than serving the deen of Allah and the muslim ummah. If the day comes when i see organsaitions that have the same aims and objectives come together then i would see a brighter future for the ummha. Because by reading their purpose and statements it quite obvious they want the same thing.

SO WHY NOT PUT PRIDE AND ARROGANCE ASIDE AND UNTIE. WAIT. UNITE FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH? WHAT EXCUSE IS THEIR NOT TO UNTIE. A GROUP WORKING TOGETHER CAN ACHICE MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL PERSON WORKING TOGETHER.

Just imagine if all the muslim rogansations got together form media outlets to MCB and MPAC alike. Imagine the power and influence they can have. They could have their own media, charity movemnt such as red cross etc etc. I urge and sinceirly hop that all can pray for untiy from the bottom of our hearts. And i say that because i know people who do not want to unite, because they are of this and that thiining. Allahualim.

[nishath_786]

How many people with AIDS are there in the UK?

Yet the Government funds charities to stop AIDS.

How many Sikhs?

Yet the Government says they can ride a bike without a helmet.

Things can be changed through political action. It's just Blair that's the problem.

[Illuminate]

salam

groups like mpac mcb mab and others who call for more muslim mp's and more muslim lords.. should realise this method is failure... we can see through recent events in lebanon.. how when muslim mp's and lords and groups all singed a letter asking for thegovernemnt too look at its foreign policy.. how the government rusbihhed off...

they will never listen to you.. its not in their intrests.. there is a global war agsint islam.. even the labour party which has the most muslim mp's and supporters is not worried about the muslim vote.. otherwise it wuld listen to the commuity.. rather it asks the muslim to follow them or else.. you cannot affect their foreign policy even if you had 100 muslim mp's as its not in the countries intrest..

so thosewho call for this should stand back and realise itsn ot the right way..

Groups like, MPAC, MCB, MAB who call for more MP's do so not solely to influence foreign policy, but for all of the govt. policies and they have influence many of there policies.

Influencing foriegn policies of a country requires more than few muslim MP's - it requires a co-ordinated effort, from all sections of the community, which is happening - You have many non-muslim against the foreign policy of the blair govt.

[abu_ali]

Any suggestions to how we could get our voice heard. Im not being sarcastic, im serious. Its onlty because come election time, most shcolars and muslim leaders come out into the open and urge muslims to vote, after elections the same scholars and leaders dissapear. So obviously now that we have follwed their ways by if we did vote, it does not work, what else can we do. It might be a bit far fetched, but muslims right now are crying to have a voice - one voice, so why in beautiful name of Allah do we have 5 leading different muslim organisations within the UK orpublic ligght. i.e MCB, MAC, SCB, and others, when they claim that they are for one reaosn and this is for the muslim ummah. If that is the case and they dont have other motives i put a request to them as muslim who wants to see untity, lets be realistic in the UK to start of with to put aside their differene and become one organisation. That is off course if you dont have other motives other than serving the deen of Allah and the muslim ummah. If the day comes when i see organsaitions that have the same aims and objectives come together then i would see a brighter future for the ummha. Because by reading their purpose and statements it quite obvious they want the same thing.

SO WHY NOT PUT PRIDE AND ARROGANCE ASIDE AND UNTIE. WAIT. UNITE FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH? WHAT EXCUSE IS THEIR NOT TO UNTIE. A GROUP WORKING TOGETHER CAN ACHICE MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL PERSON WORKING TOGETHER.

Just imagine if all the muslim rogansations got together form media outlets to MCB and MPAC alike. Imagine the power and influence they can have. They could have their own media, charity movemnt such as red cross etc etc. I urge and sinceirly hop that all can pray for untiy from the bottom of our hearts. And i say that because i know people who do not want to unite, because they are of this and that thiining. Allahualim.

yes brother im sure everyone wants to unite.. but there is such thing as diffrence of opinion.. notall groups share thesame thoughds ideas.. or even mdhabs or aqeedah.. so you cant expect all to unite..
unity need a common subject whichshould be islam.. youcant unite on biddah, haram or kuffr.. must be islam alone...

il give you a example.. near me the masjid was doen up.. all the comminty helped out pakistani and bangladeshi.. once it was opened.. instead of eldersand masjidelctions they got volunteers groups of youngsters to help ut.. they are not with any groups as such.. now they have issues in the masjids the elders want it done their way.. youngsters say its time to move on.. get youngsters invl;ved etc.. the police has to stand guard every friday in case soemthing hapens...
that is just a isue from my local town.. and you are talking about a countrywide issue

[abu_ali]

How many people with AIDS are there in the UK?

Yet the Government funds charities to stop AIDS.

How many Sikhs?

Yet the Government says they can ride a bike without a helmet.

Things can be changed through political action. It's just Blair that's the problem.

its not blair.. the conservatives said the same thing..
they will never be happy with you.. we should carry on do our dawah.. try to spread message of islam.. look at how they ribbished of the leterwhich was signed by many org and groups.. they dont care ..

[ish264u]

salam

groups like mpac mcb mab and others who call for more muslim mp's and more muslim lords.. should realise this method is failure... we can see through recent events in lebanon.. how when muslim mp's and lords and groups all singed a letter asking for thegovernemnt too look at its foreign policy.. how the government rusbihhed off...

they will never listen to you.. its not in their intrests.. there is a global war agsint islam.. even the labour party which has the most muslim mp's and supporters is not worried about the muslim vote.. otherwise it wuld listen to the commuity.. rather it asks the muslim to follow them or else.. you cannot affect their foreign policy even if you had 100 muslim mp's as its not in the countries intrest..

so thosewho call for this should stand back and realise itsn ot the right way..

Ok! so lets hear your ideas? you tell us what will work?

[abu_ali]

Ok! so lets hear your ideas? you tell us what will work?

do what the prophet did when he was in mecca it was also dar ul kuffr. he done his dawah spread message of islam.. commanidng good forbided the evil on socilety and establish islam in medinah... do the same.. as he did.

[Isaac]

Brother, we should be doing that regardless if the previous means have failed. And im sure there are people doing that. But that should be followed by actions. And like you said we need to find a common ground to base our action upon. And that if worshipping Allah, and Allah alone. Now that we have done that we should be puting our emphasis on unting those that WANT to unite and those that dont then let them be.

[da-da]

salam

groups like mpac mcb mab and others who call for more muslim mp's and more muslim lords.. should realise this method is failure... we can see through recent events in lebanon.. how when muslim mp's and lords and groups all singed a letter asking for thegovernemnt too look at its foreign policy.. how the government rusbihhed off...

they will never listen to you.. its not in their intrests.. there is a global war agsint islam.. even the labour party which has the most muslim mp's and supporters is not worried about the muslim vote.. otherwise it wuld listen to the commuity.. rather it asks the muslim to follow them or else.. you cannot affect their foreign policy even if you had 100 muslim mp's as its not in the countries intrest..

so thosewho call for this should stand back and realise itsn ot the right way..

I think the agreement with the middleastern nations and the nations that the policy applies too contrabutes to the shuning attitude of our goverment.I think We should cry to our own nations.

Isreal's excessive use of force was condemed by many Inculding britain and mr balir him self was a visunary for a stable cesefire.Is'nt that waht we wanted? or did we want Mr blair and goverment to suddenly help and protect a illigitamet,threatening, transgressing,Terrorist Party.

Good post tho, meny of the extremists see it that way and commit acts of terrorism to try make a impact and they could very very simply bring britain and the west to it's knees through thier terror campaign.
Quite frankly i don't understand britains bold moves and the conculsion of the social scientists.

[ammaad]

Erm actually MPAC is responsible for getting rid of MP Lorna Fitzsimons....

[Kashmiri]

It's thanks to Muslim groups and elders who came here and had nothing in the way of Muslim rights that we are able to practice Islam without hindrance in this country today. Okay things are changing for the worst in light of the 7/7 attacks but until then we had things very nicely here. The freedom to build hundreds of mosques across the country, prayer rooms in certain places at work, time out for prayer etc. would not have been given to us had we not pressed for them.
So it's untrue to say that those who campaign in the interest of British Muslims are doing something worthless.

[Saracen]

salam

groups like mpac mcb mab and others who call for more muslim mp's and more muslim lords.. should realise this method is failure... we can see through recent events in lebanon.. how when muslim mp's and lords and groups all singed a letter asking for thegovernemnt too look at its foreign policy.. how the government rusbihhed off...

they will never listen to you.. its not in their intrests.. there is a global war agsint islam.. even the labour party which has the most muslim mp's and supporters is not worried about the muslim vote.. otherwise it wuld listen to the commuity.. rather it asks the muslim to follow them or else.. you cannot affect their foreign policy even if you had 100 muslim mp's as its not in the countries intrest..

so thosewho call for this should stand back and realise itsn ot the right way..

thats a great post!1
lets isolate ourselves and chant empty slogans!!
let curse everyone and call the kafirs
become unemployed and scrounge off the state!!
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

[Saracen]

Kilroy kicked out
cumins kicked out
Oona King kicked out
Lorna Fitz simmons kicked out
That young pro-muslim lib dem girl in and her labour counterpart out!
2 million anti-war marchers.........biggest in British history!!
Israel boycotted, exposed and weakened


the list just goes on ....



The main people that do not want muslim unity, muslim responsiveness and muslim activism are

1) Zionist
2) Neo-cons
3) Extremists and their cult

[Saracen]

do what the prophet did when he was in mecca it was also dar ul kuffr. he done his dawah spread message of islam.. commanidng good forbided the evil on socilety and establish islam in medinah... do the same.. as he did.

mmmm right so when u going to do hijrah?
have you read the seerah he took protection from his uncle a nonmulsim against his enemies.

[Illuminate]

do what the prophet did when he was in mecca it was also dar ul kuffr. he done his dawah spread message of islam.. commanidng good forbided the evil on socilety and establish islam in medinah... do the same.. as he did.

Your favourite line...

There was a hadith about a sahaba called Fudiak (ra) - who accepted islam and he asked the prophet (saw), that he live's amongst the non-muslim, what should he do. Prophet (saw) said to him to stay amongst the ppl, as he was a good man and he took care of ppl - as long they don't prevent you from not practising the religion...It is a long hadith, take Fudiak (ra) as an example, look how he was involve in the society he lived.

[da-da]

Kilroy kicked out
cumins kicked out
Oona King kicked out
Lorna Fitz simmons kicked out
That young pro-muslim lib dem girl in and her labour counterpart out!
2 million anti-war marchers.........biggest in British history!!
Israel boycotted, exposed and weakened


the list just goes on ....



The main people that do not want muslim unity, muslim responsiveness and muslim activism are

1) Zionist
2) Neo-cons
3) Extremists and their cult

what the hell are you going on about

The main people that do not want muslim unity, muslim responsiveness and muslim activism are

1) Zionist
2) Neo-cons
3) Extremists and their cult

You say this with such infallible Firmness, can there be no more or LESS
i sugest you start of with I Think.

[HAQLEARNER]

salam

groups like mpac mcb mab and others who call for more muslim mp's and more muslim lords.. should realise this method is failure... we can see through recent events in lebanon.. how when muslim mp's and lords and groups all singed a letter asking for thegovernemnt too look at its foreign policy.. how the government rusbihhed off...

they will never listen to you.. its not in their intrests.. there is a global war agsint islam.. even the labour party which has the most muslim mp's and supporters is not worried about the muslim vote.. otherwise it wuld listen to the commuity.. rather it asks the muslim to follow them or else.. you cannot affect their foreign policy even if you had 100 muslim mp's as its not in the countries intrest..

so thosewho call for this should stand back and realise itsn ot the right way..

WE CAN TRY BUT TO HAVE FAITH IN ANYEFFORT NOT WITHIN QURAN AND SUNNAH..INCLUDING HIJAB..HAYA..AMIR SYSTEM..
EVEN IF IT SEEMS TO BE EFFECTIVE WILL BE A TEMPORARY ILLUSION

[da-da]

Your favourite line...

There was a hadith about a sahaba called Fudiak (ra) - who accepted islam and he asked the prophet (saw), that he live's amongst the non-muslim, what should he do. Prophet (saw) said to him to stay amongst the ppl, as he was a good man and he took care of ppl - as long they don't prevent you from not practising the religion...It is a long hadith, take Fudiak (ra) as an example, look how he was involve in the society he lived.

I tHINK this man Fudiak lived among people ,Not people that are worse than all predessesing genarations put together that were destroyed...........Worngdoing, courupting ,transgressing so an so's