Israeli soldiers protect Palestinians from other Palestinians

[Givati]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...nt/4544311.stm

In Gaza, a community of Arabs accused of collaborating with Israel live under Israeli protection.


Incase some people wonder why Israeli's might find it hard living side by side with 'Palestinians'

In front of a large crowd, Muhammad Mansour was beaten, shot at close range in the side of the head and then the mother of one of the men he betrayed was then called forward to stab his lifeless corpse and pluck out his eyes.

It was a display of Old Testament-style brutality and I wondered if it might one day be applied to the villagers of Dahaniya.

[Huthaifah]

If your intention here is to cause problem I would urge you to leave, we have had enough of trouble makers like yourself here and we do not welcome those who's intentions are to cause trouble.

Back to your topic, may I ask who is protecting the Palestinians from the Israili's?
Who protected Gary Miller, Tom Hundell? Oh yeah I remember it was the Israeli Justice wasn't it?

[Givati]

Trouble? my intention is to provide some balance.

After watching tonight's programme, I feel that's badly needed here.

As for your point, it's a clear deflection. You should have answered the post rather than go off on a tangent about journalists being shot.


Some Palestinians feel Israel is safer for them
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2826963.stm

Campaigners say the 21-year-old fled to Israel four years ago after being arrested and tortured by Palestinian police because of his sexuality.

[Huthaifah]

Balance??? Youc all this balance??? Where is the balance in justice for gary Miller? Tom and many others who have been killed in cold blood by the state of Israel?

What happens to those who spy against Israel? What do they do, please tell me.

Journalist being shot? Sorry but they were humans, just like you? Have you got any remorse for them and their families?

[Givati]

Balance??? Youc all this balance??? Where is the balance in justice for gary Miller? Tom and many others who have been killed in cold blood by the state of Israel?

What happens to those who spy against Israel? What do they do, please tell me.

Journalist being shot? Sorry but they were humans, just like you? Have you got any remorse for them and their families?

What do these points have to do with the thread?

[Huthaifah]

provide some balance.

exactly the same thing as you mate

[Raquib]

Israel protects 350 collaborators and murders nearly 5,000 innocents, including women and children - what's your point ?

In fifty years hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been held in Israeli concentration camps, often out of reach of the Red Cross and always in appalling conditions. There they have been beaten, tortured and sometimes murdered.

Israelis have exported their special brand of terror to Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Guantanamo only this time they've been caught on camera thanks to American incompetence. American GI's talked about people with dual-nationality training them on torture techniques - only Israeli-Americans are allowed to hold dual nationality !

Let's keep some balance in this argument !

[Raquib]

Some Palestinians feel Israel is safer for them
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...and some Palestinians feel they've been ethnically cleansed from their homeland to make way for Israel - particularly the millions living in refugee camps in Gaza, the West Bank, Sabra and Shatila and elsewhere !

[Givati]

...and some Palestinians feel they've been ethnically cleansed from their homeland to make way for Israel - particularly the millions living in refugee camps in Gaza, the West Bank, Sabra and Shatila and elsewhere !

Shouldn't the Arab countries have taken in their "brothers" like Israel took in the 800,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from their homes?

Also, can I ask what you think of Hebron?

Why is it classed as "Palestinian land" when it was inhabited by Jews for centuries - only for them to be slaughtered and kicked out of their home by Arabs in the 1929 Hebron massacre.

Surely the Jews should get their land back in Hebron.


Anyway, this is all deflection from the points I made in the beginning.


It seems that Homosexual men feel safer in the land of their enemy.

What does that say about Palestinian society, when Palestinian Homosexuals feel safer in Israel?

[UmmZakariya]

another typical Zionist with predictable zionist myths and arguments...you guys are so boring.

Shouldn't the Arab countries have taken in their "brothers" like Israel took in the 800,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from their homes?

why should other Arabs take in those ethnically cleansed by your lot? As for Jews being ethincally cleansed maybe you should read this account:

http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupatio..._iraqjews.html

As for Al-khalil Ibrahim (as) is buried there do not underestimate how much that city means to palestinians and Muslims all over the world. Ther are Jews there messanaic cracy zionists who attack their Palestinian neighbours and are protected by thousands of soldiers. You mention the 1929 masscare how about a more recent massacre that was carried out by Baruch Goldstein. Or is he your hero?

Your concern for homosexual Palestinians men is touching, can you extend the same concern to the hundreds of Palestinian children shot by occupation soldiers pls?

[ayqazi]

It is already quite clear that the Jewish covenant that they claim gives them right to the land was conditional to the Religion of Abraham. The Jews changed their religion, therefore have lost the right to the covenant. God has re-revealed the religion of Abraham in the last of his revelations, the Qur'an, which the Jews must now accept as part of their original covenant, and to get back right to this land.

By the way, its only a matter of time before Mujahideen descend apon Israel and raze it off the face of the earth.

[Givati]

By the way, its only a matter of time before Mujahideen descend apon Israel and raze it off the face of the earth.

Excellent to see Islamic extremists alive and well on this forum.

[UmmZakariya]

glad to have riled up a Zionist so much that he had to come on here and start to post comments which actually spur us on even more...thanks and do check out our one-state solution article on the 'about mpacuk' section.

[ayqazi]

I wish I was an Extremist. Here's how it measures up...

Liberal/Secular Muslim = Hypocrite in Hell
Moderate Muslim = Kind-of-in-the-middle = Subject to Allah's mercy, Allah knows best
Fundamentalist = Firmly in Paradise, perhaps only in the lower stages
Radical Muslim = In the middle of Paradise, did very good deeds, but a few bad deeds brought him down
Extremist Muslim = Top of Paradise! Creme de la Creme!

So, by the poster's definition, I'm in Firdaus! Cool!

Allah knows best obviously....

[khilafah4islam]

all the traitors that help the zionists get no sympathy from me. helping the enemy means u become the enemy. as for gay men in palestine. again i dont care for them. their evil wicked ways do no good for anyone and i got no sympathy for them. just because the west and israel has accepted things sych as homosexuality dont mean muslims must. also before u write about so called ethnic cleansing of jews in arab lands do some history. jews lived well in the islamic state. whether it be in spain or turkey the jews prospered. some call it the jews silver jubilee. the only reason a huge amount of jews left the arab lands was due to the jews terrorism in there desperate attempt to get jews to migrate to israel.

[Days of Penitence]

all the traitors that help the zionists get no sympathy from me. helping the enemy means u become the enemy.

Does that mean you should be dragged along the street, stabbed, have your eyes gouged out etc etc etc?

If 'palestinians' want to be seen as civilised people, that isn't the way to go about it.

as for gay men in palestine. again i dont care for them. their evil wicked ways do no good for anyone and i got no sympathy for them.

Lovely,..... so do they deserve death? are you condoning that?

jews lived well in the islamic state. whether it be in spain or turkey the jews prospered.

Spain was a bit of a problem, remember?

some call it the jews silver jubilee. the only reason a huge amount of jews left the arab lands was due to the jews terrorism in there desperate attempt to get jews to migrate to israel.

Utter tosh, this is one of those libels.

Do you honetsly think Jews in Israel, many of which had arrived from Europe - had the means and capability (not to mention the cruelness) to terrorise all the surrounding Arab countries to "scare the Jews"

What a ridiculous lie. LOL

[sunni]

Does that mean you should be dragged along the street, stabbed, have your eyes gouged out etc etc etc?

If 'palestinians' want to be seen as civilised people, that isn't the way to go about it.
u shud know about such brutality???

Lovely,..... so do they deserve death? are you condoning that?
even the correct jews wud condemn that, see u are a zionist no way a jew, read ur holy book

Spain was a bit of a problem, remember?
ahahaha, spain justifies everything??

Utter tosh, this is one of those libels.

Do you honetsly think Jews in Israel, many of which had arrived from Europe - had the means and capability (not to mention the cruelness) to terrorise all the surrounding Arab countries to "scare the Jews"

What a ridiculous lie.

no one wants to scare jews, in fact i like em. its peeps like u who have brought the probs onto urself, that is peeps who say they are jews, but arent really, ring a bell?

cruelness only came about from u who dont know peace, for gods sake wake up!

[sundaynight]

"As for Jews being ethincally cleansed maybe you should read this account:

http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupati...u_iraqjews.html"

I believe that this was this particular man's situation...however I personally know people who came to my community because they _were_ thrown out of Arab countries for being jews. Isn't possible that both things happened and that neither one of these stories disprove the other? History and life are strange, I think we should try to step out of our knee-jerk responses a little?

[thejoshrocks]

One very important detail you have missed out - WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE FOR THIS ARGUMENT; SINCE WHEN DID ISRAELI SOLDIERS KILL 5000 INNOCENTS. YOU HAVE TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE YOU PUT IGNORANCE BEFORE YOUR BRAIN.

[Raquib]

SINCE WHEN DID ISRAELI SOLDIERS KILL 5000 INNOCENTS. YOU HAVE TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE YOU PUT IGNORANCE BEFORE YOUR BRAIN.

Israel's record of terrorism, torture, murder and ethnic cleansing has been documented by every credible human rights organisation. Most recently Amnesty International condemned Israel's racist law preventing spouses of Israeli Arabs from residing in Israel, while Jews around the world - most with no previous connection to the middle-east - have the right to live on the land that was home to Palestinians for millenia.

"PUT IGNORANCE BEFORE YOUR BRAIN" ? - it takes more than a CAPS LOCK key and crass rudeness to make a cogent, coherent argument.