Muslim Lib-Dem Candidate Quits Coz of MPAC

[Sassman]

Read this in the Independent.
Was the guy forced to quit? It was unlikely he was going to win in West Ham but he's been campaigning really hard.
Seems totally outrageous to me.

LibDem quits in anti-Semitic row
By Marie Woolf, Political Correspondent
19 April 2005


A Liberal Democrat candidate resigned suddenly yesterday after it emerged he used the website of a radical muslim group, which has been accused of links to anti-semitic leaflets, to promote his campaign.

Ajmal Masroor, who was the Lib Dem candidate in West Ham, appealed on the website of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC) for volunteers to help his campaign.

MPAC has launched a "political jihad" against MPs who backed the war on Iraq and who it claims are "zionists". It called Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, "one of the most powerful zionist war-mongers in Britain".

The Lib Dems refused to say whether they had told the candidate to resign or welcomed his resignation.

Lord Rennard, Liberal Democrat chief executive, has said the party disassociated itself from MPAC.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=630856

[abdulmojid]

you can never win

[ayesha]

I doubt v.much that the guy resigned due to MPAC. The ludicrous accusations against mpac being anti-semitic is an obvious smear camapign by the Zionists and pro-israeli's. How can anyone fall for that least of all a Muslim

[LegalEagle]

I doubt v.much that the guy resigned due to MPAC. The ludicrous accusations against mpac being anti-semitic is an obvious smear camapign by the Zionists and pro-israeli's. How can anyone fall for that least of all a Muslim

hmm...MPAC needs to continue it's policy of registering Muslim voters
setting up our grassroots campaign

after that we'll see about the 'liberals' .....the priority at the moment
should be to damage lTony Blair as much as possible in order to put
Muslims on the political map

I think some jewish terrorist group once described CAIR as a train heading
their way...this should be an indication to the islamophobic jewish community
which has in some cases been funding the BNP that we're not going to
submit to their terror tactics

muslims and jews can live in peace in Britain...there is no place for
jewish middle eastern terrorism in Britain

[UmmZakariya]

we prefer to use term Zionist there are plenty of Jews who are opposed to the actions of Israel and agree with the stance many Muslims take

[LegalEagle]

yes kosovan yours is indeed a towering intellect !

the word zionist refers to somebody whether jewish or of whatever
faith who believes that god gave all of the middle east to the jews

since i'm a british muslim and concerned with the islamophobic
behaviour of certain sections of the jewish community in
britain what on earth has zionism to do with it ?

i want the jewish community to stop it's islamophobic campaign
whether against arab, african, asian or any other kind of muslim

and why do you call yourself a kosovan anyway? since you live in
great britain and kosovo isn't a country or a nationality

[UmmZakariya]

time out no more insults pls

[ДmۼґїçДz-mΩ§T-]

Al-salaamu'alykum

I'm confused with the title of this topic 'muslim lib dem candidate', as one who joins or affiliates himself with a political party is a kaafir.
It is kufr to choose any ideology other than islam, democracy is not from Islam and neither compliments. Rather it goes against it's doctrine as the fundementals of this concept is based 'for the people' and 'by the people' whilst Islam is based 'for allaah' and 'by allaah'!

[Unity]

Al-salaamu'alykum

I'm confused with the title of this topic 'muslim lib dem candidate', as one who joins or affiliates himself with a political party is a kaafir.
It is kufr to choose any ideology other than islam, democracy is not from Islam and neither compliments. Rather it goes against it's doctrine as the fundementals of this concept is based 'for the people' and 'by the people' whilst Islam is based 'for allaah' and 'by allaah'!

I am so so right this guy is Abu muwahhid

[LegalEagle]

time out no more insults pls

and yet you have allowed the 'kosovan' to insult me

[ДmۼґїçДz-mΩ§T-]

Al-salaamu'alaykum

Eagle, Insha'Allaah just to clear any confusion sister Um Zakariya said NO MORE INSULTS after Kosovan's statement.
Insha'Allaah i pray this issue is left and we all get on well as we are muslims!

[Brother F]

Al-salaamu'alykum

I'm confused with the title of this topic 'muslim lib dem candidate', as one who joins or affiliates himself with a political party is a kaafir.
It is kufr to choose any ideology other than islam, democracy is not from Islam and neither compliments. Rather it goes against it's doctrine as the fundementals of this concept is based 'for the people' and 'by the people' whilst Islam is based 'for allaah' and 'by allaah'!

You cannot say that brother. Because you are unaware of Ajmal Masroor's knowledge of the deen.

Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad says:

Finally I would like to stress that the above seven verdicts passed do not include the one who voted under duress or absolute ignorance or the one who has been misled without any clarification for him/her. This is one of the calamities, which has affected many Muslims both in Muslim countries and non-Muslim countries today.

Brother, are you with 'The Saviour Sect'? Because I thought that you'd listen to Omar Bakri's fatwa on the issue if you were with them.

[UmmZakariya]

I'm confused with the title of this topic 'muslim lib dem candidate', as one who joins or affiliates himself with a political party is a kaafir.

MPACUK completely disagree we propagate political jihad with full backing of the Quran, Sunnah and the fatawa of acknowledged Islamic scholars not pseudo cultists like Omar Bakri...

If you are still confused then do some more research! and refrain from offensive posts you will nto be warned again you will be banned. I will not tolerate any more takfeering quacks from the self-declared saved sect!

[Brother F]

MPACUK completely disagree we propagate political jihad with full backing of the Quran, Sunnah and the fatawa of acknowledged Islamic scholars not pseudo cultists like Omar Bakri...

If you are still confused then do some more research! and refrain from offensive posts you will nto be warned again you will be banned. I will not tolerate any more takfeering quacks from the self-declared saved sect!

The real scholors of this Ummah are not 'acknowledged', many that are acknowledged are sell outs, the true scholors are in prisons in the middle east, or are not given any publicity.

[UmmZakariya]

pls name the sell outs! i know you will say Tantawi etc becos of his views on the hijab ban perhaps but you are well aware of the scholars i refer to ie Hamza Yusuf, Jamal Badawi, Qaradawi, Abdul Hakim Murad and many more loved and respected scholars who have given fatawa in support of political participation...you wish to ignore them and think you know better then fine, we prefer to wage political jihad, follow the quran, sunnah, our good judgement and that of the scholars to improve the lot of the Ummah...you can carry on debating.

[LegalEagle]

pls name the sell outs! i know you will say Tantawi etc becos of his views on the hijab ban perhaps but you are well aware of the scholars i refer to ie Hamza Yusuf, Jamal Badawi, Qaradawi, Abdul Hakim Murad and many more loved and respected scholars who have given fatawa in support of political participation...you wish to ignore them and think you know better then fine, we prefer to wage political jihad, follow the quran, sunnah, our good judgement and that of the scholars to improve the lot of the Ummah...you can carry on debating.

salaam alaikum wr

forgive me if i'm not up to date but where dis you get the info that
hamza yusuf is a scholar ?

jazakalla

[ДmۼґїçДz-mΩ§T-]

perhaps but you are well aware of the scholars i refer to ie Hamza Yusuf, Jamal Badawi, Qaradawi, Abdul Hakim Murad and many more loved and respected scholars who have given fatawa in support of political participation

Al-salaamu'alykum

These 'scholars' whom you name are deviated people and such views do not represent Islam nor are they relevant.

As i dont have the time to go through them all i will show you two of whom you named to be shaykhs.

Hamza Yusuf

Expert says Islam prohibits violence against innocents. Muslim scholar: Terrorists are mass murderers, not martyrs by Richard Scheinin, Mercury News

Richard Scheinin: What is a martyr's reward?

Hamza Yusuf: The Prophet said that a martyr who dies doesn't have a reckoning on the Day of Judgment. It's an act through which he is forgiven. But the Prophet also said that there are people who kill in the name of Islam and go to hell. And when he was asked why, he said, "Because they weren't fighting truly for the sake of God.''

Hamza Yusuf: If there are any martyrs in this affair it would certainly be those brave firefighters and police that went in there to save human lives and in that process lost their own.

Comment: So the kaafir firefighters and police in New York who lost their lives are shuhadaa' who will not have a reckoning on the Day of Judgement ?


Transcript of CBS's 60 Minutes Interview with Hamza Yusuf, Imam Siraj Wahaj, Farid Esack and Faisal Abdur Rauf on 30 September 2001

Yusuf: All Muslims are guided by the words of Islam's holy book, the Quran, which is believed to be the word of God, and explains how Muslims should lead their lives. It also says fighting should only be in self-defence, a fight in the Way of Allah against those who fight against you, but be not aggressive. And the Quran forbids suicide. They cannot bring any textual evidence from the Quran, from the traditions of the prophet, to prove anything that justifies what they've done.

Comment: Jihad can be defensive or offensive.
Letter from the Messenger of ALLAH (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) to the people of Najran (Narrated in Baihaqi):
"In the Name of the God of Ibraheem, Ishaaq, and Ya'qoob, from Muhammad Messenger of Allah to Asqaf of Najran, and the people of Najran: Peace be upon you…
…I call you to the worship of Allah, away from the worship of the slaves (of Allah). And I call you to the governorship of Allah, away from the governorship of the slaves (of Allah). If you refuse, then the Jizyah. If you refuse (that), then I declare war upon you. Wassalam."

Offensive Jihad
Where the disbelievers are not gathering to fight the Muslims. The fighting becomes Fard Kifaya with the minimum requirement of appointing believers to guard borders, and the sending of an army at least once a year to terrorize the enemies of Allah. It is a duty of upon the Imam to assemble and send out an army unit into the land of war once or twice every year. Moreover, it is the responsibility of the Muslim population to assist him, and if he does not send an army he is in sin.

And the Ulama have mentioned that this type of jihaad is for maintaining the payment of Jizya. The scholars of the principles of religion have also said: "Jihad is Da'wah with a force, and is obligatory to perform with all available capabilities, until there remains only Muslims or people who submit to Islam."

Defensive Jihad
This is expelling the disbelievers from our land, and it is Fard Ayn, a compulsory duty upon all. It is the most important of the compulsory duties and arises in the following conditions:
A) If the disbelievers enter a land of the Muslims.
B) If the rows meet in battle and they begin to approach each other.
C) If the Imaam calls a person or a people to march forward then they must march.
D) If the Kuffaar capture and imprison a group of Muslims.

this is just a shread of evidence against hamza yusuf.

Abdul Hakim Murad

Murad accuses the Taliban of shifting away from “traditional Islam” towards “Ibn Taymiyyah’s position”, as though one of the greatest Hanbali scholars, if not the greatest after Imam Ahmad himself, was not a “traditional Muslim”! This new-wave mantra of “traditional Islam, traditional Muslim” is belied by institutions and movements that pay lip- service to the Four Madhhabs, yet conspicuously exclude the Hanbali madhhab, with all its outstanding scholars, from their curriculum.

Murad calls for the adoption of a Ghazalian position, rather than an Ibn Taymiyyan one, worldwide. This oft-repeated dichotomy is superficial and unhelpful. As Hamza Yusuf states in one of his lectures, in response to people who will only read one or other of these great Imams, “Read both!” (a moderate position similar to that of the late Egyptian Shaykh Muhammad al-Ghazali, formerly of the Ikhwan).

Again this is but a shread of evidence against such people, they have deviated and thus their comments serve no purpose.

I pray that allaah guides them insha'allaah ta'ala!

“Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours (Islam) that is not part of it, will have it rejected.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim).

And allaah knows best!

[Brother F]

Brother, they use these so called 'scholors' to justify their position. Yet they fail to realise that a 'scholors' word is worthless unless the scholor uses Qur'an and Sunnah. And I don't mean dodgy twisting of ayat and hadith.

[LegalEagle]

Al-salaamu'alykum


Abdul Hakim Murad

Murad accuses the Taliban of shifting away from “traditional Islam” towards “Ibn Taymiyyah’s position”, as though one of the greatest Hanbali scholars, if not the greatest after Imam Ahmad himself, was not a “traditional Muslim”!

So tell me Mr Murad how did Imam Reza Khan die...?...

Mr Murad as a scholar should show us Islam the way it was practised by the Scholars he claims to follow instead of sitting at home *****ing about Islamic scholars

Btw I'm not going to comment on the Hanbali scholar rankings because I have
no knowledge in this area

[UmmZakariya]

i will not allow offensive posts about well respected and loved scholars and i will not let the MPACUK forum become a platform for Al-luniyoon...the 'brothers' who have shown themselves to members/supporters of this fringe group have been banned if they continue to register under other name they will be banned again, they can go and propagate their hate elsewhere.

[FractionMan]

UZ, i have great respect for you, but one thing i must say is that Hamza Yusuf is most definitely not a scholar. He may be a good talker, and nows alot about Islam, but definitely not a scholar. Not yet anyway

[UmmZakariya]

And I don't mean dodgy twisting of ayat and hadith.

go and seek some more knowledge on the Quran Sunnah, these and others scholars and their opinions and fear Allah. You are not some supreme authority yourself, if you beleive all these many many scholars are doing this confront them and be humiliated why do you insult them on here like an ignorant coward?

[Brother F]

go and seek some more knowledge on scholars and their opinions and fear Allah. You are not some supreme authority yourself, if you beleive all these many many scholars are doing this confront them and be humiliated why do you insult them on here like an ignorant coward?

I have the one's that I have had the chance to, like Ibrahim Mogra (who said on Shar'ia TV that shaking hands with non-mehram is haraam, but he'd compromise that for the Queen!).

Don't call me a coward, when it is you who is being a coward by not letting people express their views just because they go against what you say.

[UmmZakariya]

your views are offensive! You now pick on another scholar over such a little thing! Your self righteouness is sickening! and the enthuasism with which you condemn you fellow Muslims even more so. Now belt up!

[Brother F]

your views are offensive! You now pick on another scholar over such a little thing! Your self righteouness is sickening! and the enthuasism with which you condemn you fellow Muslims even more so. Now belt up!

If my views are offensive, so be it. Because I do not seek to please anyone but Allah (SWT). You call compromising the deen for the kuffar a small thing? Astagfirullah!

[UmmZakariya]

if you ever bothered to read anything we wrote or did or what these scholars wrote and did and if you had any compassion for the ummah and the deen you would recognise our sincerity and logic and know we are fulfiling our duty to the deen and the Ummah. But no you are too holier than thou and narrow minded to do that!

The only ones who think we are compromising our deen astaghfiruallah are you and your loony friends we reap the rewards of the jihad we wage every day alhamdulilah. Now if you are only on here to insult and demean others and undermine us then pls leave you are not welcome.

[Brother F]

if you ever bothered to read anything we wrote or did or what these scholars wrote and did and if you had any compassion for the ummah and the deen you would recognise our sincerity and logic and know we are fulfiling our duty to the deen and the Ummah. But no you are too holier than thou and narrow minded to do that!

The only ones who think we are compromising our deen astaghfiruallah are you and your loony friends we reap the rewards of the jihad we wage every day alhamdulilah. Now if you are only on here to insult and demean others and undermine us then pls leave you are not welcome.

I recognise you sincerity, and am not doubting your iman. I just think that you are wrong in your approach. And it is you that is insulting me, not the other way around.

[UmmZakariya]

And it is you that is insulting me, not the other way around.

well i am convinced that you are wrong in your approach and your arrogance and self-righteousness are very much offensive mature a bit more and develop a love for the Ummah before you denounce scholars and those that are workign for this very Ummah. You are on an MPACUK forum and constantly denounce us and question are knowledge, iman and jihad. That is very insulting once more if you only want to undermine us and insult us have some adab and leave you are not welcome.

[PhoeniX]

Admittedly UmmZakariya, not all people hold the same high regard for the 'scholars' that you may. Some may not even class them as scholars. Personally I class Hamza Yusuf as a scholar, but others do not.

I think its nice that you are being loyal to them, but I dont think that you can overrule the possibility that others may not have the same high regard as you, for them.

That also goes to say, that personal attacks on them, should not be tolerated, as personal attacks on each other, here, shouldnt be tolerated.