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Yahya
17-02-2006, 05:00 PM
Attallah Calls On Christians to Carry Out “Martyr Operations”

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, January 11 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) – Spokesman for the Orthodox Church in occupied Jerusalem Archimandrite Attallah Hanna praised Saturday, January 11, the “martyrdom operations”, calling on Palestinian Christians and Arabs to do everything in their power to resist the Israeli occupation with every possible means.

Receiving a formal delegation from the occupied city of Haifa, Atallah said "those martyrs are the heroes of the nation. We are proud of them and vehemently reject any malicious attempts trying to cast doubt on their work," Al-Quds Press News Agency quoted him as saying.

"They are not suicide bombers as some claim and they are not terrorists, rather, they resist occupation and we support martyrdom operations without any kind of reservations no matter what objectors and doubt-casters say about such a heroic kinds of resistance," he said.

The Archimandrite, in addition, called for a joint Islamic-Christian action in order to throw a "spanner in war against Iraq," and to liberate all Palestinian territories, pointing out that if the Israeli authorities lifted the house arrest imposed on him and gave him back his passports, he would form a Christian delegation to go to Iraq to form a human shield against the potential U.S.-led military action on Baghdad.

In an exclusive interview with IslamOnline, Attallah asserted his support for the operations, averring that "if the struggle for freedom of peoples is regarded as terrorism, then I am a terrorist."

"The real reform needed is to answer the following question: how can we boost all kinds of resistance to achieve our national goals?" He added.

In the meantime, the Israeli foreign ministry formally protested to the Church of the Orthodox Romans in Occupied Jerusalem at the statements made by Attallah, accusing him of supporting "terrorist operations" and dismissing his stances as a danger on Israeli security.

http://www.islamonline.net/english/news/2003-01/11/article05.shtml

Constantine
17-02-2006, 07:01 PM
The heretic had better be sanctioned for this.

There is absolutely no place for suicide bombing against any target at any time in the Christian faith.

And it's clear he puts nationalism above God

Yahya
18-02-2006, 06:04 PM
I wouldn't have thought that you consider the Orthodox to be "real Christians" anyway?

GCarty
20-02-2006, 08:43 AM
Receiving a formal delegation from the occupied city of HaifaI didn't realize until now that IslamOnline was anti-Zionist to this degree...

By the way, I'm totally opposed to suicide bombings on the grounds that they are the Zionist propagandists' trump card in their campaign to dehumanize the Palestinians...

Constantine
20-02-2006, 02:39 PM
I wouldn't have thought that you consider the Orthodox to be "real Christians" anyway?

What the hell gave you that impression?!

A Christian is a Christian - as long as you profess a belief in the divinity of Christ and his unity with the father I reserve judgment.

Until of course you say something incredibly whacky like "I am Jesus" like David Koresh or "martyrdom operations" like Attallah.

The doctrinal differences between the classical churches are largely administrative which I as a Protestant do not really care about since that's the whole point of Protestantism.

However borrowing political theology from faiths outside Christianity to justify something we all absolutely and fundamentally believe is wrong is heresy.

Suicide is murder in all major and ancient branches of Christianity, murder is murder in all major and ancient branches of Christianity. To combine the two you get...

Murder.

I don't know what makes Attallah think he can revise the sixth commandment to "join" with the "heros of his nation" in "martyrdom operations" but it's certainly no authority recognized in the Christian world.

And the Patriarch is a little confused too - thus the reason Hanna was dismissed (http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020713/2002071311.html).

I consider the Patriarch a "real Christian" too in case you were wondering.

Yahya
20-02-2006, 02:46 PM
It's just the stuff you've said about Catholics led me to wonder. You don't approve of saint-worship or Mary-worship or redemption through confession which are all Orthodox beliefs so ...

Anyway sorry to cause offense.

However Irianos was then sacked by the Orthodox authorities when he was found to be on the take, selling Church properties to militant Zionist groups and stashing the money in the Cayman Islands.

Reluctant to see their stooge lose his position of influence the Israeli Government refused to recognise his Palestian replacement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4517223.stm

Constantine
20-02-2006, 02:52 PM
It's just the stuff you've said about Catholics led me to wonder. You don't approve of saint-worship or Mary-worship or redemption through confession which are all Orthodox beliefs so ...

Anyway sorry to cause offense.

whoa whoa i'd never say they weren't Christian though, and did I really say "saint-worship" or "Mary-worship" ?! I must have been in a bad mood that day... I strongly disagree with their praying to saints or mary for intercession, but they aren't worshipping them. And Confession is part of redemption - confession to priests isn't necessary though, Confession to God is what we are meant to do - i'm a Christian because of a Catholic, and i'm going to convert to Catholocism.

These are all just minor doctrinal differences...

Did I actually say that stuff?!! I was 100% wrong if so.

Yahya
20-02-2006, 02:54 PM
whoa whoa i'd never say they weren't Christian though, and did I really say "saint-worship" or "Mary-worship" ?! I must have been in a bad mood that day... I strongly disagree with their praying to saints or mary for intercession, but they aren't worshipping them. And Confession is part of redemption - confession to priests isn't necessary though, Confession to God is what we are meant to do - i'm a Christian because of a Catholic, and i'm going to convert to Catholocism.

These are all just minor doctrinal differences...

Did I actually say that stuff?!! I was 100% wrong if so.

I don't think you said that exactly, it was my assumption most likely. (My family a from the Orange Lodge tradition.) Anyway, again I apologise for misrepresenting your views.

Constantine
20-02-2006, 04:17 PM
Reluctant to see their stooge lose his position of influence the Israeli Government refused to recognise his Palestian replacement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4517223.stm

I read about this - Western Christians often forget that Israeli abuses extend to Christian Palestinians too, thus the surprisingly angry/militant talk of certain clergy (like Hanna). It's understandable, though not sanctioned as it is certainly dangerous to the faith.

In light of what's going on I think it highlights failures in the Christian Community at large to take positive steps to help our brothers and sisters in Palestine. Recently various C o E churches have attempted boycotts of Israeli products to send a message to Palestinian Christians that they are not forgotten.

I hope that's only the start.

Constantine
20-02-2006, 04:19 PM
I don't think you said that exactly, it was my assumption most likely. (My family a from the Orange Lodge tradition.) Anyway, again I apologise for misrepresenting your views.

No problemo - thought I was losing my mind!