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sunilight

11-03-2005, 05:07 PM

Mr Sin

11-03-2005, 05:43 PM

salams
I heard once that 18% of palestinians are christian
Is this true?
Considering the holy places in Israel that are important to Christains
How comes the israel/palestine conflict is seen as a jew/muslim one...
And how comes you dont get any chrsitian miltiant groups, or suicide bombers
Are the christians in palestine doing anything at all?

A really really good question.

Perhaps you could give us an incite as to why the Palestinian Christian community don't force their kids to blow themselves up.

sunilight

11-03-2005, 05:46 PM

salams
that is quite strong...
i dont know if they do or not...
muslims or christains

UmmZakariya

11-03-2005, 09:28 PM

Palestinian Christian community don't force their kids to blow themselves up.

and your proof is....apart from zionist anti-Muslim propaganda...

abdulmojid

11-03-2005, 10:46 PM

Perhaps you could give us an incite as to why the Palestinian Christian community don't force their kids to blow themselves up.

sorry mate, that was outragous

force?

LMFAO!

:rolleyes:

salam

11-03-2005, 10:51 PM

sorry mate, that was outragous

force?

LMFAO!

:rolleyes:

abdulmojid: u r a brain surgeon?

angel

12-03-2005, 11:41 AM

abdulmojid: u r a brain surgeon?

huh?? really?

muslim_beta

12-03-2005, 05:39 PM

A really really good question.

Perhaps you could give us an incite as to why the Palestinian Christian community don't force their kids to blow themselves up.

I see no evidence for this claim. It merely is the propaganda of the Israeli's and being repeated on this board by a Jalfrezi eating Jew.

However, what is most certainly true is the callous nature of the Jewish parents who take their children to Jewish settlements knowing the land was expropriated from the Palestinians and knowing that the Palestinians will fight back to take their land back. These Jewish parents deliberately place their children in harms way.

It is this belief among the Zionists that their childrens lives are expendable for the greater interests of the Zionist cause which is lamentable.

sunilight

12-03-2005, 08:46 PM

Salams everyone
thanks for your replies....
I am politely requesting that all sides hold off the usual
arabs do, this jews do that stuff
there are about 20 other active threads for you to do that...
heres my orignal post to remind you what the topic is

salams
I heard once that 18% of palestinians are christian
Is this true?
Considering the holy places in Israel that are important to Christains
How comes the israel/palestine conflict is seen as a jew/muslim one...
And how comes you dont get any chrsitian miltiant groups, or suicide bombers
Are the christians in palestine doing anything at all?

Rabbit

14-03-2005, 03:48 AM

nishath_786

14-03-2005, 10:13 AM

There is a HUGE number of Christian Palestinians. Yasser Arafat was married to one, Edward Said was one and there is a guy, whose name I forget, but who was the foreign spokesperson for the P.A.

They all support Palestinian resistance groups, usually the secular ones like the PLO rather than Fatah or Hamas etc.

Shrines which are relevant to all religions have two entrances (before it was open for all under Islamic rule) one for Jews and one for Arabs. The Christians have to enter shrines with their Muslim brothers and sisters rather than with teh Jews.

As I have always said, Israel is the new South Africa. Sanctions now! Even Mandela supported Barghouti. :eek:

sunilight

14-03-2005, 10:20 AM

As I have always said, Israel is the new South Africa.
i agree.............

br ash

14-03-2005, 02:26 PM

Salams

I heard once that 18% of palestinians are christian
Is this true?

Yes, I heard it was 20%

Considering the holy places in Israel that are important to Christains
How comes the israel/palestine conflict is seen as a jew/muslim one...

The majority of Pals are Muslims and ISraelis Jewish.

And how comes you dont get any chrsitian miltiant groups, or suicide bombers

There might be, PFLP I gather is not religiously motivated.

Are the christians in palestine doing anything at all?

They are many fighting the intellectual battle - Edward Said (RIP) and many others.

Rabbit

The reason as to why the Palestine conflict presented as an Arab Muslim and Israel Issue, is nothing other than pure Spin. I won bet with a Conservative, who happens to be a Evangelical Christian, when i said Yasser Arafart wife was Christian, he belief system could not have a Christian married to a Muslim. The same individual, i won second bet when i stated that a Christian Palestinian group killed the Israeli Tourist minister, yet again this Christian could not comprehend that it was the action of a Christian, killing a Zionist Pig. Ironically Israel retaliation was not on Christians but on Muslims. Why I do not know?

The perception in the West is that its an Muslim and Jewish issue. If its presented as an Muslim & Christian against Jews, the support in the West would dramatically change, in favour of the Arabs.

May I also remind that it is the Palestinian Christians in America that have managed to, what little they have managed in the America Media, has been trying to present the issue is that Zionist Jews are Killing and slaughtering Christian as well as Muslims.

Also just to show how decent minded Jewish people who follow the Talmud treat Christian, when Jews pass Christian Palestinian, they spit on them, they throw garbage into Christian Churches in Palestine, ironically these actions are hardly ever reported in American Media.

Also saying that many of early Palestine response, to Zionist barbaric actions, where carried out by Christian Palestinian, REMEMEBR just because they have an Arab name, does not mean that they are Muslim. If one has seen a Copy of the Arabic Bible, one would also notice that the bible starts of with 786.

Yes, there have been suicide bombs by Palestine Christian, but many of the EARLY Christian responses had been to Hijack planes and blow up planes. Also the action s like the Munich/Olympics games were a sort of joint Christian Muslim operation.

Dr Geooge Habash, came from a Christian Village. Which slaughtered by god loving peaceful Zionist like Sin grandfather.

If one also care to look at Suicide bombing, one of the first such action used against Israel, in Lebanon was in fact carried out by a Christian Women, associated with some nutty Christian Pan Arab Syrian organisation, back in 1984.

Also note before, Israel supported the Christian Phlangist in Lebanon, Israel actually targeted and blew up Christian villages in Lebanon. Israel support for the Phlangist was strategy based on the Enemy of my enemy is my friend, blah blah blah.

Salaam

Ash

nishath_786

14-03-2005, 02:57 PM

Mr Sin

14-03-2005, 03:58 PM

As I have always said, Israel is the new South Africa. Sanctions now! Even Mandela supported Barghouti. :eek:

Then be so kind as to list the commonalities, legal and otherwise that back up such an allegation.

br ash

14-03-2005, 04:20 PM

...and to back br_ash up (and that is rare! ;) ) when the second intifada started, Palestinian troops sought refuge in a church. The church supported the soldiers for days. The Israeli Army cut off the water to starve out the fighters. The monks that were in teh church refused to leave, prefering to stay with their Palestinian brothers.

That is why I never look at Palestine as a Muslim issue, but a human issue.

Sorry mate, could not help it :D, if you do not back me up, you will end up losing the argument :D. Sorry :)

Salaam

Ash

nishath_786

14-03-2005, 05:00 PM

Mr Sin

14-03-2005, 05:41 PM

Sin -

1) We have a displaced people at the hands of European immigrants
2) A huge disparity in wealth for the different ethnic groups
3) Apartheid in many parts of Israel - including Rachel's tomb
4) The bantustan policy of the Israelis, giving tiny plots of land and saying 'There you go, you have freedom!'
5) The racism of the Israeli population that vote for the rabid right-wing orthodox parties
6) The appropriation of property in places like Jerusalem
7) No justice in courts (Israeli troops are allowed to kill British journos now!)

etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Ask Mandela. He likened the situation.

All of which are points of view though. I could make the your fantasy look like a gift compared to anywhere else in the Arab world-

Do not treat Israel like apartheid South Africa

Ian Buruma
Tuesday July 23, 2002

Guardian

Whatever it was that prompted Steven and Hilary Rose to call for a boycott of Israeli academic institutions, it is unlikely to have been anti-semitism. That they happen to be Jewish is, of course, no guarantee. Karl Marx, descendent of a long line of rabbis, opined that, "Money is the zealous God of Israel, before whom no other god may be." This was, however, not the tone of the Roses' defence of their campaign, published in the Guardian last Monday.
The significant thing about their article was the comparison of Israel and South Africa. They cited the success of "civil society" expressing its "moral outrage" by boycotting South Africa. And they mentioned the number of people they knew who felt that "cooperating with Israeli institutions was like collaborating with the apartheid regime".

They are quite correct: a lot of people do think that. Israel, in many respects, has become the South Africa of today. It is the litmus test of one's progressive credentials. If you are on the left, you can be friendly with Jews, you can be a Jew, but you cannot be on the side of Israel.

The test is political, but more than that, it is moral. The Roses got it precisely right. "Moral outrage" is the proper phrase for the attitude that is being struck. And rarely can a cause have been so timely. After all, when a Labour foreign secretary praises China for its wonderful capitalism (with no trade unions to hinder the plutocrats), economics are clearly no longer a test of where one stands on matters right and left.

These litmus tests come up about once in every generation, and sometimes more than once. Spain in 1937. The Vietnam war. Chile. South Africa. And now Israel. Bosnia was trickier. The victims were innocent Muslims, and the aggressors were racist thugs, but supporters of the Bosnian Muslims called for US intervention, and that caused a split in the progressive ranks.

In the case of Israel, as with South Africa, moral outrage comes more easily. A developing world people is being oppressed by the rightwing government of a modern capitalist country, backed by the US. Territory is being occupied by armed forces, which brings back memories of colonialism. The ideal of a Jewish state smacks of racism. Moreover, the Israeli prime minister looks, and often behaves, like a thug out of central casting. The suffering and humiliation of Palestinians is plain to see.

And yet the comparison with South Africa is intellectually lazy, morally questionable, and possibly even mendacious. Boycotters of South Africa believed that the apartheid system made the government illegitimate. This, after all, was a state which deprived the majority of its people of civil rights because of the colour of their skin. Whatever one thinks of the efficacy of boycotting as a tactic, isolating South Africa was a political act in favour of democracy. The abolition of apartheid restored the legitimacy of the South African state.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but the campaigners for a boycott against Israel are not challenging the legitimacy of the Israeli government. They are against Israeli policies in occupied areas, which is a different thing. Inside the state of Israel, there is no apartheid. In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest minority within its borders of any country in the Middle East. The official figure for Copts in Egypt is 10%. Non-Jews, mostly Arab Muslims, make up 20% of the Israeli population, and they enjoy full citizen's rights. Israel is one of the few Middle Eastern states where Muslim women are allowed to vote.

Certainly, Israeli Arabs are not always treated well, though not nearly as badly as the Egyptian Copts, or the few Jews left in the Muslim world. Israeli Arab towns are neglected and, particularly since the latest intifada, public suspicion has led to social discrimination. To make things worse, some politicians make no secret of their desire to remove the Arabs from Israel altogether. But apartheid, however satisfying it is for the morally outraged to think so, it is not.

There are perfectly good reasons to disagree with Israel's policies in the occupied areas. Killing Palestinians to protect Jewish settlements which should never have been there in the first place is difficult to condone. But this is a terrible reason for boycotting the very people who are likely to share one's disgust. And if military policies in disputed areas were a legitimate reason for such boycotts, there would be no more academic links with many places in the world - and I don't mean just dictatorships.

A more apt comparison with Israeli policies would be India's war in Kashmir. There, too, the victims are mostly Muslims. There is a long history of oppression, bad faith and stupid decisions. And the scale of the violence is much worse. Far more Muslims have been killed or tortured by the Indian army than by the Israeli defence forces. Dozens of Kashmiri victims - the number of people killed in Jenin - would not even reach the news. And if you think Kashmir is brutal, what about Chechnya?

But India and Russia are not litmus tests. Moral outrage against their governments is not a badge of being progressive. No one is proposing a boycott of universities in Delhi or St Petersburg. I can think of one or two reasons for these double standards, but whatever they are, I believe that they tell us more about the boycotters than about the subjects of their rage.

Mr Sin

14-03-2005, 05:59 PM

...and to back br_ash up (and that is rare! ;) ) when the second intifada started, Palestinian troops sought refuge in a church. The church supported the soldiers for days. The Israeli Army cut off the water to starve out the fighters. The monks that were in teh church refused to leave, prefering to stay with their Palestinian brothers.

That is why I never look at Palestine as a Muslim issue, but a human issue.

How sweet of you-

Funny how Israeli bomb experts swept the church at the request of some of the priests and said they found 40 explosive devices, several booby-trapped and hidden in corners and behind cupboards. :eek:

br ash

14-03-2005, 06:16 PM

All of which are points of view though. I could make the your fantasy look like a gift compared to anywhere else in the Arab world-

Do not treat Israel like apartheid South Africa

Ian Buruma
Tuesday July 23, 2002

Guardian

Perhaps I'm wrong, but the campaigners for a boycott against Israel are not challenging the legitimacy of the Israeli government. They are against Israeli policies in occupied areas, which is a different thing. Inside the state of Israel, there is no apartheid. In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest minority within its borders of any country in the Middle East. The official figure for Copts in Egypt is 10%. Non-Jews, mostly Arab Muslims, make up 20% of the Israeli population, and they enjoy full citizen's rights. Israel is one of the few Middle Eastern states where Muslim women are allowed to vote.

A more apt comparison with Israeli policies would be India's war in Kashmir. There, too, the victims are mostly Muslims. There is a long history of oppression, bad faith and stupid decisions. And the scale of the violence is much worse. Far more Muslims have been killed or tortured by the Indian army than by the Israeli defence forces. Dozens of Kashmiri victims - the number of people killed in Jenin - would not even reach the news. And if you think Kashmir is brutal, what about Chechnya?

But India and Russia are not litmus tests. Moral outrage against their governments is not a badge of being progressive. No one is proposing a boycott of universities in Delhi or St Petersburg. I can think of one or two reasons for these double standards, but whatever they are, I believe that they tell us more about the boycotters than about the subjects of their rage.

mostly Arab Muslims, make up 20% of the Israeli population, and they enjoy full citizen's rights.

The author is very selective on how he chooses words. The Ironicalyy Arab Israelis do not have full Citizenship rights, as already demonstrated numerously in this forum.

Israel is one of the few Middle Eastern states where Muslim women are allowed to vote.

Now the author makes out Middle Eastern, forgets about the rest of the Muslim world like Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh , Malaysia etc etc. When your author chooses he bring in about boycott of Indian universities, which is totally illogical. But if he were to investigate more Muslim Women are allowed to vote, than not being aloud to vote out of the total Muslim population around the world. The only places in the entire Muslim world women and even men do not have any rights, happen to be Uncle Sams puppets.

But India and Russia are not litmus tests. Moral outrage against their governments is not a badge of being progressive. No one is proposing a boycott of universities in Delhi or St Petersburg. I can think of one or two reasons for these double standards, but whatever they are, I believe that they tell us more about the boycotters than about the subjects of their rage.

Sin you are a fool, go to Pakistani sites, you will discover how Pakistani boycott Indian Goods., even in the UK. It’s a fact.

Sin you always come up with demented authors, boycott of universities in Delhi or St Petersburg, what’s up. Your author can not think logically. Which nation sends there students to study in another nations second rate universities :D, when they have access to the best in the West. What is the point of your current baboon? I am sure you can elaborate :D:D:D

Salaam

Ash

nishath_786

15-03-2005, 10:05 AM

Sin - Do you seriously expect us to believe the Israeli Military?? OF COURSE they'd say that. Just like they don't shoot at children. Just like they don't kill British journos. etc etc etc

You can post an article which is all good, but anyone can post that too. I'm just saying why I support Palestine. I can also show you an article written by a Jewish MP that compares Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto.

BTW - Hamas etc in the Gaza strip - are they the equivalent of the Jews who fought in the Warsaw uprising? Surely the Nazis would have called the freedom fighters of Warsaw 'terrorists' too? Just a thought and rhetorical question, really.

Mr Sin

15-03-2005, 10:20 AM

BTW - Hamas etc in the Gaza strip - are they the equivalent of the Jews who fought in the Warsaw uprising? Surely the Nazis would have called the freedom fighters of Warsaw 'terrorists' too? Just a thought and rhetorical question, really.

There's zero equivalance between Hamas and the Warsaw Jews.
Firstly, to be a Jew was uttlery illegal and marked you for extirmination.
It was NOT the result of surrounding Jewish countries trying to edradicate Germany, then Germany winning this fictional war and displacing indeginuos Jews in lands regained from the invaders.

Hitlers dream was to erase Jews (as well as other 'imperfects) from the planet.
The twist is that this ideology is shared not by Israel (though your spin is a compelling one) but by Hamas.

If Jews had set out to take over Germany, removing Germans, then you have a far more accurate analogy with the intifada.

nishath_786

15-03-2005, 11:05 AM

Sin - The only analogy I am trying to make is that Freedom fighters come in all shapes and sizes. As to terrorists. Was the Stern Gang a liberation movement? No. Terrorists that forced the British' hand. Hamas are fighting for an independent Palestine. They are freedom fighters.

And conditions in Gaza are very similar to the Warsaw ghetto. Passes, overcrowding into a tiny area by force. Camps, starvation, humiliation by guards etc etc.

Next you'll be saying that only Jews suffered from genocide. They did not. Noone has ever been massacred to a scale like the Jews and noone has mechanised the process like Hitler - I am not a holocaust denier but people forget that the Gypsy population was almost wiped out in Europe. Do they have a commemoration day? Were they given a coutry through guilt? No. They are STILL persecuted. Another HUMAN issue which I campaign for.

Anyway, this is off topic.

There are Christians in Palestine, who are treated badly by Israel, so they support Palestinian liberation.

BTW - Mr Sin - Please do not take anything I say to be offensive - i do not mean to have a go at you about your religion/race, just your views.

Mr Sin

15-03-2005, 12:59 PM

nishath_786

16-03-2005, 01:57 PM

sunilight

16-03-2005, 03:53 PM

salams
thanks to everyone who participated in this thread i think my orginal questions have been answered......

its been an education ..........

peace out

Mr Sin

16-03-2005, 04:49 PM

Hamas were created by Mossad to destabilise the PLO. Well known, no?

Now Hamas are ready to put themselves forward to elections.

Also, Yassin (The paraplegic that was MURDERED by the Israeli army) was willing to compromise. But, Israeli Govts don't know teh meaning of the word so they blew him up and created a martyr.

I hate the fact that the way I type means 'the' always comes out 'teh'. :headache:

As posted before -

Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.

Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.

Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.

Manc

14-08-2005, 07:10 AM

salams
I heard once that 18% of palestinians are christian
Are the christians in palestine doing anything at all?

A really really good question.

Perhaps you could give us an incite as to why the Palestinian Christian community don't force their kids to blow themselves up.

Yes, I heard it was 20%

The Palestinian Christian population is now 6%

Prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, approximately 10% of Palestine's population was Christian.

However, the Christians were also often found in the more affluent segments of Palestinian society which generally fled or were expelled from the country in conjunction with the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; in West Jerusalem, over 50% of Christians lost their homes to the advancing Israeli army, according to the historian Sami Haddad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christian

Sirhan Bishara Sirhan was a Roman Catholic Palestinian who killed Bobby Kennedy.

Sirhan believed himself deliberately betrayed by Kennedy's support for Israel in the June 1967 Six-Day War, which had begun exactly one year before the assassination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

There are non religious Leftist orientated or Marxist Palestinian resistance groups such as:

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command

Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_groups

GCarty

14-08-2005, 12:34 PM

I see no evidence for this claim. It merely is the propaganda of the Israeli's and being repeated on this board by a Jalfrezi eating Jew.

However, what is most certainly true is the callous nature of the Jewish parents who take their children to Jewish settlements knowing the land was expropriated from the Palestinians and knowing that the Palestinians will fight back to take their land back. These Jewish parents deliberately place their children in harms way.

It is this belief among the Zionists that their childrens lives are expendable for the greater interests of the Zionist cause which is lamentable.

Don't forget that Israel heavily subsidizes its West Bank settlements. Most Jewish settlers live in the occupied territories because they cannot afford to live in pre-1967 Israel.

Mrs Rumi

14-08-2005, 04:29 PM

The War Against the Christian Palestinians 1948-49

The Zionist attack on Christianity in Jerusalem:

• In 1947 Christian Population of Palestine was 350,000. In 1948 the Israelis grabbed 80% of Palestine and expelled 800,000 Muslim and Christian Arabs. In 1969 the Christian population of Israel was less than 45,000.

Convent of St. George of the Greek Orthodox- occupied 14 May 1948; struck on 18 May by

a mortar shell Hospice "Notre Dame de France" of the Assumptionist Fathers- occupied 15 May 1948; used as a main base to attack Jerusalem. Large part of it was destroyed by the occupation.

Convent of Reparatrice Sisters- occupied 15 May 1948; used in the attack on French Hospital- occupied 15 May 1948 in defiance of the International Red Cross and French flags flying over it.

Italian Hospital- occupied 15 May 1948 despite its being under the protection of the Red Cross; used to shell Jerusalem.

Seminary of Ste. Anne was bombed on 17 & 19 May 1948 suffering heavy damage and many of the refugees within were wounded.

Church of St. Constantin and Helena- struck by a bomb on 17 May 1948 the fragments of which damaged the Church of the Holy Sepulcher next-door.

The Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was hit with about one hundred mortar bombs

launched by the Zionists from the monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Sion.

These bombs also damaged St. Jacob's Convent, the Archangels Convent and their

churches, their two Elementary and Seminary schools along with their libraries. 8 killed and 120 wounded

The Apostolic Delegation (protected by the Holy See)- occupied 18 May 1948.

Monastery of the German Benedictine Fathers (Dormition)- occupied 18 May
1948; used as one of the main bases for the attack on Jerusalem.

The English School at Mount Sion- occupied 18 May 1948.

Convent of St. John (Greek Orthodox)- occupied 18 May 1948; struck by a mortar shell on 23 May 1948

St. Abraham convent struck by mortar fire on 23 May 1948

St. Spiridon convent struck by mortar fire on 23 May 1948

Convent of the Archangel (belonging to the Coptic Patriarchate) forming part of the Holy Sepulcher struck by a mortar shell on 23 May 1948

The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate hit by mortar shells on 23 & 24 May 1948 wounding many refugees
Franciscan Convent (St. Saviour) near the Holy Sepulcher hit by mortar shells on 19, 23, 24, & 28 May 1948- orphanage damaged; general secretariat damaged; many nearby houses destroyed; many sheltering children killed and wounded
Latin Patriarche hit by mortar shelling on 23, 26, 27 & 28 May 1948 damaging the Patriarchal Palace, especially the Cathedral
Greek Catholic Patriarchate struck by mortar shells on 16 & 29 May 1948 damaging thebuilding and wounding several people

Church of St. Mark (Syrian Orthodox)- struck by mortar shell killing the monk Peter Saymy, secretary to the bishop, and wounding two others.

Zionists fired on Jerusalem from the Hebrew University, Hadassah Hospital and from two synagogues located in the Old City.

http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_christianity/31.htm

Mrs Rumi

14-08-2005, 05:09 PM

The most blatant similarity between SA and Israel - as Mandela knew, was the use of Zionism, which is not confined to jews.

There was a whole religious ideology behind apartied that was part of De Nederlands Gereformeerde Kerken, an off shoot of the Dutch church brought to SA by Dutch settlers in the 16th centurary. A particular group called the Voortrekkers broke away from this group and trekked across SA, the main objective of which was for the Voortrekkers to escape British Colonialism,apparently, in Natal and set up independent republics on sections of land which they considered to be vacant.

The subtext to this is that the land was not vacant, it was inhabited by black people, and the Africkaaners belived they owned this land by right becuase they were Gods chosen people.

D.F Malan wrote in 1954
...Apartheid is based on what the Afrikaner believes to be his divine calling and his privilege - to convert the heathen to Christianity without obliterating his national identity.

At the heart of apartied is the notion of Afrikaners as God's chosen people with an ordained calling or mission. "God created the Afrikaner People with a unique language, a unique philosophy and their own history and traditions," stated a leading Afrikaner nationalist in 1944, "in order that they might fulfil a particular calling and destiny here in the southern corner of Africa."

Afrikaaners used the Bibile to justify White superiority, much in the same way as Zionist Jews do. Black people were refered to as 'the Hewers of wood and the drawers of water; the "hewers of wood and drawers of water" refers to the curse of Ham, the father of Canaan. Ham, Japheth, and Shem were the three sons of Noah. In the ideology of white supremacy, Ham is the father of blacks, Japheth is the father of whites, and Shem is the father of Semitic peoples. Book of Joshua chap 9 http://www.sourcedevie.com/read-the-bible-joshua-9.htm

Thus black people are condemed to be the servants of white people. In the 1950s, the Minister of Native Affairs, Hendrik Verwoerd (Afrikaner)said: "People should not be educated beyond their prospects. The Bantu (black people) shall always remain hewers of wood and drawers of water."

Afrikanners vewied themselves as a 'race' that could be poluted by intermarriage - even with other white non afrikaaner people. You cannot become and afrikaner - you are born one.

For those of us who experienced this first hand we can clearly see the similarites between racist Israel and racist South Africa.

Incidently despite Afrikaaners being anti semitic, South Africa more than supported Israel during the apartied era. When the Government changed, Isreal lost a very valuble support.