Ya'juj and Ma'juj

[Muqtabis-un-noor]

Where are they? If they have a wall, why dont they climb over it? Why doesnt someone bomb them all? They only have bows and arrows! Where are the Gog and Magog?

[nishath_786]

I was speaking to a friend on this matter. I don't think that they are PHYSCIALLY armed with bows and arrows, but it is more a metaphor for missiles and the like.

[IslamicHope]

HAs anyone considered that the Mongols may have been yuj & majuj? After all Genghis Khan unified his tribes, broke through a wall sealing a mountain pass, into central asia, from Mongolia, and were also sealed off by the great china wall?

[LocalGenius]

mmm very interesting

[abdulmojid]

some one eplain the concept or post a lecture by a good shiekh please

**good shiekh eg. al-awlaki

[islamic]

Asslam

The mogols couldn't have been the yuj majuj because according to what I have been told the hadith narrate that it is Isa (as) that will make a dua that will lead to the yuj majuj getting a kneck infection causing them to die.

And then birds will come to disperse the bodies.

Jazakalla
Any more info would be good
Correct me if I am wrong

[thehook]

I was speaking to a friend on this matter. I don't think that they are PHYSCIALLY armed with bows and arrows, but it is more a metaphor for missiles and the like

Assalaamu alaikum

They're human beings, so yes, that would be the case, whatever technology we will have at that time.

Hadrat Abu Saeed Khudri narrates that the Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Judgement, Allah will tell Adamto pick out the Jahanamis from his progeny. Adam will ask, "O Allah, who are they?" Allah will say,"999 out of 1000 are Jahanamis while the one is a Jannati." On hearing this the Sahaba over taken by fear asked, "Who will the ONE Jannati be?" The Prophet replied, "Do not grieve the 999 will be Yajuj Ma'juj while you will be the one Jannati." (Bukhari/Muslim)

"When Ya'juj and Ma'juj are let loose (from their Barrier) and they swiftly swarm from every mound" (Surah Al-Anbiya)

Zainab-b-Zahash says: "Once the Prophet awoke from such a sleep that his face was red and these words were on his tongue, "There is none worthy of worship but Allah. Destruction is upon the Arabs on account of that evil which has come close to them. Today a hole as big as this has opened in the wall of Yajuj and Ma'juj. (The Prophet indicated the size of the hole with his finger and thumb)" (Bukhari/Muslim)

The link for you look at on the story is

http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Majorsigns.html#opposition1

And scroll down to the title of Ya'juj Ma'juj (Gog and Magog) and you'll see it but scroll further and it shows you the bigger picture of it.

Bear in mind some scholars have said some of hadiths there are weak but neverthless, it would be advised Insha-Allah to ask a scholar, someone more learned on the subject.

Wassalaam

[abdulmojid]

any audio people?

[Salaam]

... Where can I get info on them from a truthworthy source.. and also about the Djjal? I have a book on them but want to e-mail some info over to my shia mate who doesn't know much about them.

Jzk in advance

[Salaam]

...Anyone?

[Darth-Abu]

erm.........................i don't know

[Noorudeen-Zinkee]

The Appearance of Gog and Magog
Imam Ibn Kathir

From "The Signs Before the Day of Judgement"
Based on ibn Katheer's "Al-Bidaayah wa'l-Nihaayah" (The Beginning and the End)
© Taqwa

They (two tribes or peoples) will appear at the time of Jesus son of Mary, after the Dajjaal. Allah will destroy them all in one night, in response to the supplication of Jesus.

Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet (S) said, "Every day, Gog and Magog are trying to dig a way out through the barrier. When they begin to see sunlight through it, the one who is in charge of them says, 'Go back; you can carry on digging tomorrow,' and when they come back, the barrier is stronger than it was before. This will continue until their time comes and Allah wishes to send them forth. They will dig until they begin to see sunlight, then the one who is in charge of them will say, 'Go back; you can carry on digging tomorrow, in shaa'Allah.' In this case he will make an exception by saying in shaa'Allah, thus relating the matter to the Will of Allah. They will return on the following day, and find the hole as they left it. They will carry on digging and come out against the people. They will drink all the water, and find the hole as they left it, and the people will entrench themselves in their fortresses. Gog and Magog will fire their arrows into the sky, and they will fall back to earth with something like blood on them. Gog and Magog will say, 'We have defeated the people of earth, and overcome the people of heaven.' Then Allah will send a kind of worm in the napes of their nacks, and they will be killed by it...'By Him a in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, the beasts of the earth will become fat.'" [Tirmidhee, Abwaab al-Tafseer: Surat al-Kahf (Hadith 5160), 8/597-99; Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan, (Hadith 4080), 2/1364. Ahmad, Musnad, 2/510, 511.]

Gog and Magog are two groups of Turks, descended from Yaafith (Japheth), the father of the Turks, one of the sons of Noah. At the time of Abraham (AS), there was a king called Dhoo'l-Qarnayn. He performed Tawaaf around the Ka'bah with Abraham (AS) when he first built it; he believed and followed him. Dhoo'l-Qarnayn was a good man and a great king; Allah gave him great power and he ruled the east and west. He held sway over all kings and countries, and travelled far and wide in both east and west. He travelled eastwards until he reached a pass between two mountains, through which people were coming out. They did not understand anything, because they were so isolated; they were Gog and Magog. They were spreading corruption through the earth, and harming the people, so the people sought help from Dhoo'l-Qarnayn. They asked him to build a barrier between them and Gog and Magog. He asked them to him to build it, so together they built a barrier by mixing iron, copper and tar.

Thus Dhoo'l-Qarnayn restrained Gog and Magog behind the barrier. They tried to penetrate the barrier, or to climb over it, but to no avail. They could not succeed because the barrier is so huge and smooth. They began to dig, and they have been digging for centuries; they will continue to do so until the time when Allah decrees that they come out. At that time the barrier will collapse, and Gog and Magog will rush out in all directions, spreading corruption, uprooting plants, killing people. When Jesus (AS) prays against them, Allah will send a kind of work in the napes of their necks, and they will be killed by it.



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Antoher relevant hadeeth:
-"Ibn Mas'ood reported that the Prophet (S) said, "On the night of the Israa' (night journey), I met my father Abraham, Moses and Jesus, and they discussed the Hour. The matter was referred first to Abraham, then to Moses, and both said, 'I have no knowledge of it'. Then it was referred to Jesus, who said, 'No one knows about its timing except Allah; what my Lord told me was that the Dajjaal will appear, and when he sees me he will begin to melt like lead. Allah will destroy him when he sees me. The Muslims will fight against the Kaafirs, and even the trees and rocks will say, "O Muslim, there is a Kaafir hiding beneath me - come and kill him!" Allah will destroy the Kaafirs, and the people will return to their lands. Then Gog and Magog will appear from all directions, eating and drinking everything they found. The people will complain to me, so I will pray to Allah and He will destroy them, so that the earth will be filled with their stench. Allah will send rain which will wash their bodies into the sea. My Lord has told me that when that happens, the HOUR WILL BE VERY CLOSE, LIKE A PREGNANT WOMAN WHOSE TIME IS DUE, BUT HER FAMILY DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHEN SHE WILL DELIVER."

[Ahmad, Musnad, 1/375. Similar Hadith in Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan (hadith 4081), 2/1365, 1366]

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=79

[Muqtabis-un-noor]

Me, I hold great interest in these topics.
What do you want to know?

[LFC24]

Me, I hold great interest in these topics.
What do you want to know?
Yeah its actually quite fascinating isnt it?

Search it up on Google, youll get loads of stuff. Try "gog and magog" too.

[Muqtabis-un-noor]

Funny, christians believed the gog and magog were great kings, I think.

[Zesty]

Funny, christians believed the gog and magog were great kings, I think.

Why do they believe that? I mean where does this notion come from? any idea? Its a very interetsing topic. The story of gog and magog was told to me by my mum at a very young age- and im still so fascinated by it!

[Illuminate]

you can read it all here:

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/unseen/0002.htm

[Zesty]

Illuminate- i replied to you on the "if you were in a jungle" thread :D

[Muqtabis-un-noor]

I am stupid, I read stuff like Illuminate posted and I still lie. Can anyone help me?

[Salaam]

Jzk for all the replies (and thanks MhD for moving it to this section) :)

[Smiley]

you check it out here (http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=634&highlight=yajuj+majuj).