Al Muhajiroun & Hizb ut Tahrir

[Huthaifah]

Asalamu Aleikum,

What is the differance between these two groups?

[Brother F]

Al Muhajiroun do not exist.

Hizb ut Tahrir: You can find out all about it from this site - www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org

[Huthaifah]

Well, they once did exist but what was the differance between them?

[Brother F]

Well, they once did exist but what was the differance between them?

If you want to find out go onto HT's website and find out about them.

You can search the net to find out about Al Muhajiroun if you want to, but as they don't exist anymore I can't quite see the point.

This topic is pointless.

[Huthaifah]

I just want to know what was the differance between them, and how the heck am I going to find out if they do not exist, this is a place for discussion and where people share their views and opinions on such matters, just like what you are doing, your post was pointless to be frank as it didn't really answer the question.

[Arefa]

Allahu Aalam... but wernt they some hard core jihadists??

:help:

[sunni]

I in fact have come across many HTs who were ex Al-muhajiroon.
One even claimed that Al-muhajiroon, out of disagreement with one particular issue with HT. Which they were first as, opted out, hence they formed their own group, under the leadership of Omar Al Bakri. But Allah hu Allam.... :confused:

[abou_muwahhid]

There was (was - only because Al-Muhajiroun don't exist anymore) A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between the two groups.

Al-Muhajiroun changed to the path of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah

HT are still deviant from the path of as-Salaf us-Saalih, and unfortunately they are getting worse, and more secular - often appearing of Islam Channel not forbidding any munkar...may Allaah guide them and us.

Salaam

[sunni]

There was (was - only because Al-Muhajiroun don't exist anymore) A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between the two groups.

Al-Muhajiroun changed to the path of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah

HT are still deviant from the path of as-Salaf us-Saalih, and unfortunately they are getting worse, and more secular - often appearing of Islam Channel not forbidding any munkar...may Allaah guide them and us.

Salaam


Aa bro

Jazakallah for ur kind contribution, very true what you said :D

[Nahda]

Salaam,
My brother in Islam Brother F well said al-muhajiroon does not exist. So what's the point talking about them.
Brother Faisal, my suggestion would be - we need to concentrate on what we were supposed to do i.e. bring back ummah?s dignity by uniting the ummah not label them and divide them.

Interestingly I have noticed certain people unable to challenge the Islamic evidences that Hizb ut Tahrir carries rather they ask us unnecessary question, they will get us involve in the vain talk and get us nowhere.

They are not interested in the truth but they are interested in the 'labels'. This is how their agenda works. Evidencessssss: thread after thread slandering, asking unnecessary questions then not listening to 'us' what we have to say(coz they are not really interested), not answering the questions that they were asked, not giving Islamic evidences behind the reasons, playing with the words, mocking about the khilafah and the people who work for it etc........................

I can tell bro Huthaifah the similarity between these two particular Islamic groups, they are Muslims, they are/were politically active, and both party work/worked for Islamic khilafah system to be established, and according to you (specially MPACUK) they are also 'dreamers', 'timewasters' 'insincere', 'inactive' etc etc etc. therefore it is no difference for you coz you can attack them on this basis.

I think my post is pointless too. i do Admit it. pointless question so pointless answer.

Salaam
Nuzhat

[sunni]

according to you (specially MPACUK) they are also 'dreamers', 'timewasters' 'insincere', 'inactive' etc etc etc. therefore it is no difference for you coz you can attack them on this basis.

I think my post is pointless too. i do Admit it. pointless question so pointless answer.

Salaam
Nuzhat[/QUOTE]


Salams

well sis, no need to get too personal? this post was to sort out a misunderstaniding if there is any :D
You have a tone of arrogance sis, is that rather non-islamic, if i may say so?
who knows what Allah may accept as the true, org of forbidding munkar n establishing maruf? Allah hu Allam, so is there a need to judge a org, i personally think u have no knowledge of, with such outmost judgement?????


wasalms

[Nahda]

salaam 'sunni',
First of all, I gave some true information I guess. I did not try to judge, did not take it too personal but gave some suggestions. apologise if i have created any confusion. :(

Second of all, unfortunately I can not see where I have the tone of arrogance. So, if you kindly help me finding it out! Arrogance-Indeed it is un-Islamic.

"i personally think u have no knowledge of, with such outmost judgement?????"
I wonder what does this sound like? ;)


Third of all, please do not try to deny, you guys did not 'label' us 'dreamers','inactive', 'timewasters', etc etc. I already proved you - you just need to have a look carefully.

Last of all, you completely lost me here:
"who knows what Allah may accept as the true, org of forbidding munkar n establishing maruf? Allah hu Allam, so is there a need to judge a org, i personally think u have no knowledge of, with such outmost judgement?????"
Please make an attempt to explain.

jazakAllah khair
wasalaam

[Nahda]

AsSalaamu Alaikum,

first of all, please accept my apology if I sound harsh. I am just interested in the truth. I would also appreciate if someone from 'ahle jummah wal jamah' group can answer my question. Other people can, but please give me some true facts.

To my understanding the basic beliefs of Islam are: 1.Allah (tawhid), 2. Angels of Allah, 3. Books of Allah, 4. Messengers of Allah, 5 the day of judgement, 6. predestination or supremacy of Divine Will, 7. Life after death.

So, if someone accepts these basic beliefs (al-Imanul Mufassal) then you can call him a Muslim. And as far as I know a Muslim eventually will go to jannah even though he has committed sins in this world. Let me give you an example: one of my neighbour calls herself a Muslim but she believes that Allah is a black man (astagfirullah) and the founder of this particular group is the prophet (who is not our prophet Rasool (saw)). So no way one can call her a Muslim because of her beliefs.

'Scholar Al-Shâtibî makes this point clear in his book al-Muwâfaqât. Ibn Taymiyah also states this in a number of his works. He says:

Anyone from one of the 72 other sects who is a hypocrite is indeed an unbeliever in his heart. Anyone form among them who is not a hypocrite but who in fact believes in Allah and His Messenger is not an unbeliever, regardless of whatever mistakes in interpretation they may have. When a believer says: ?Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who have preceded us in faith? [from Sûrah al-Hashr: 10], he means all the Muslims of the past centuries, even those who made mistakes in interpretation, acted contrary to the Sunnah, or committed some sins. They are still from his brothers who preceded him in faith and they all come under the generality of his supplication, even if they had belonged to one f the 72 other sects. Each one of these sects contains within its ranks a large number of people who are not unbelievers. They are believers who have gone somewhat astray and have sinned, making them worthy of the threat of punishment.'

'The real problem exists with those who fancy themselves as the ?saved sect? to the exclusion of all others, declaring everyone else to be astray and damning them. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "If a man says that the people are damned, then he is the damnedest of them all."

From this famous hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) says: "My community will experience everything that the Children of Israel had experienced, following in their footsteps exactly, so much so that if one of their number had approached his mother publicly for sex, one of my community will do the same. The Children of Israel divided into 72 sects. My community will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire save one."

The people asked him: "And which one will that be?"

He replied: "The one that follows what I and my Companions are upon right now.?

From some of the previous posts what I understood was other then ?ex-almuhajiroon / ahle-jummah wal jamaah? will go to jahannam and stay there for forever. Please correct me if I am wrong. So, dose this mean, apart from ?ahle jummah wal jammah? (here I mean the group) others then them all Muslims will go to hell.

The prophet(saw) showed the way to live in this dunya and his sahabas were following this path and myself have these basic beliefs, then would I not considered ahle jummah wal jammah which to me means Muslims who believe all basics of Islam (al- Imanul-.Mufassal).

I tried to make my question clear. Again pardon me if have confused you.

Can the brother abou_muwahhid bring the proof of your accusation? -
'HT are still deviant from the path of as-Salaf us-Saalih, and unfortunately they are getting worse, and more secular - often appearing of Islam Channel not forbidding any munkar.....' '

jazakAllah khair
wasalaam
:notworthy

[Aqsaa]

;)

They all seem like a bunch of X-Men to me - all from the same gene-pool

HT - Charles Xavier
Al M - Magneto

[LocalGenius]

They are not interested in the truth but they are interested in the 'labels'. This is how their agenda works. Evidencessssss: thread after thread slandering, asking unnecessary questions then not listening to 'us' what we have to say(coz they are not really interested), not answering the questions that they were asked, not giving Islamic evidences behind the reasons, playing with the words, mocking about the khilafah and the people who work for it etc........................

who are not interested in the truth??? who dont provide reasons for their actions ??
are you talking about mpac?? cause if you are you dont have a clue/
go check out their reasons and evidence from the quran and sunnah here

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/211/

[stanley]

assalamulaikum brothers and sisters
As someone from and residing in the Arab lands I must inform u that the "HT" u are talking about is mainly in England, Uzbekistan and Pakistan. Hizb ut Tahrir's work is focused in the Arab lands not due to racial preference but due to the reality of the Arbic language and its link with the miracle of the Quran. The actual Hizb ut Tahrir does not involve itself in the division and arrogant tactics of this British group who seem to view themselves above the rest of the Ummah with their condemnation of 'everyone else'. We as an ummah must be united, now more than ever. I pray to Allah SWT that he guides us all to the correct path. Ameen

[abdulmojid]

lol, i swear HT is banned from these arab countries!