Respect Threat

[nishath_786]

Salaams to all Brothers and Sisters on the Board

This is my first post. I've made commenst on articles, and thought I'd finally engage in debate properly! :)

This is a post for all those who are being mislead by Respect. I once had a lot of respect (please pardon the pun!) for Galloway, but I work in politics and have done some reserach into him and his party. I need to share these thoughts with you all.

Respect

1) Respect are nothing but a front for the atheist Socialist Workers Party. They have conveniently forgotten their atheist, secular credentials because they believe they can court the Muslim vote into getting them real power.

2) Respect last year proudly proclaimed their 'gay rights' credentials in their election material. At their conference they were proud to support Gay Pride marches across the land. Now that they are primarily aiming at Muslims, they have removed it from election material, but it's still in their conference notes.

3) Respect, at the same conference, were against faith schools - thus are against the well-performing Islamic schools which have been set up since legislation was relaxed.

4) Respect by splitting the 'left-wing' vote have allowed in the Tories - the same Tories against religous discrimination legislation, faith schools.

5) The SWP and Stop the War conducted good work against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they also did not support action against Milosevic's murder squads in Muslim Kosovo.

Galloway

1) He supported the invasion if Afghanistan in 1979.

2) He did not support military action to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Kosovo.

3) The collapse of the atheist Soviet Union was "The worst day of [his] life."

4) Financial irregularities follow wherever he goes - Dundee lunch clubs, War on Want and the Mariam Appeal have all had investigations into their financial dealings.

5) He is an adulterer, splitting with his wife after admitting at a charity press conference about having "carnal knowledge" of Greek women while on business there.

"I travelled to and spent lots of time with people in Greece, many of whom were women, some of whom were known carnally to me. I actually had sexual intercourse with some of the people in Greece."

6) He is a terrible constituency MP:

Spoke in 0 debates in the last year — 645th out of 659 MPs.
Asked 1 written question in the last year — 527th out of 659 MPs.
Replies to 19% of messages sent via FaxYourMP.com within 14 days — 552nd out of 582 MPs.
Has attended 3% of votes in parliament — 650th out of 658 MPs. (From Public Whip)

7) For all his anti-war rhetoric, he did not even bother to attend the adjournment debate for the war in Iraq.

8) He is paid by Associated Newspapers for a column in 'The Daily Mail' in Scotland - that's the same Associated Newspapers taht has lead a relentless war of words against Ken Livingstone.

[Umarkh]

Interesting points. jk for them.

One question...Tower Hamlets election...who would you vote for, Oona King or Galloway?

[Huthaifah]

lol nice one Umarkh.

[abdulmojid]

he's a pillock

[sunni]

[QUOTE=nishath_786]

salams

u see sis/bro? respect or any political parties are no better from each other.

labour is a socialist party.....well in theory they are...

the point to be made is that from the labour, tories and lib dems, which party is more beneficial, u have to take into account the concept of choosing the lesser of two evils, believe u me it does wonders!

yes the respect party is a waste of vote, only cos they have very few constituency mps, voting for local candidates, is the first step to be taken, rather then thinking general election! i believe if that increases, they can be a beneficial party for us.

waslams

[nishath_786]

Oona is brave enough to admit she supported the war in a constituency where she knew the decsion would be unpopular. However, as I have said before, she supports and independent Palestine and has said so in the Commons.

She works tirelessly for the Bengali community as well. I know I am a Muslim first, but the work she has done for Somalis and Bengalis in her area is brilliant and that is why I am going to vote for her.

The Labour Party (of which I am a member anyway) is in a trickt situation. Not many in the Labour hierarchy actually believe in what they're doing. Most of it is just to satisfy the Daily Mail reading hoi polloi. It's sad, but without them in power we will have nothing. Everyone is attacking Labour for having the guts to try and put through anti-religous discrimination laws, saying it 'prevents freedom of speech' but it is something the Jews and Sikhs have had for years.

[br ash]

Oona is brave enough to admit she supported the war in a constituency where she knew the decsion would be unpopular. However, as I have said before, she supports and independent Palestine and has said so in the Commons.

She works tirelessly for the Bengali community as well. I know I am a Muslim first, but the work she has done for Somalis and Bengalis in her area is brilliant and that is why I am going to vote for her.

The Labour Party (of which I am a member anyway) is in a trickt situation. Not many in the Labour hierarchy actually believe in what they're doing. Most of it is just to satisfy the Daily Mail reading hoi polloi. It's sad, but without them in power we will have nothing. Everyone is attacking Labour for having the guts to try and put through anti-religous discrimination laws, saying it 'prevents freedom of speech' but it is something the Jews and Sikhs have had for years.

There are many other people in Tower Hamlet that also works for Bangeli community. When Oona goes, business will be as usual, every one will be taken care off as in the past. Now your world may centre around Onna Khyber pass, that is your choice.

A politician is there to represent his or her constituency. Look at Roger Godseif. He happens to be Jewish, and pro Zionist. Also happens to make statement in relation to Kashmir, which have had him being ridiculed in the Hindu press back in India. On the issue of Gulf War II Roger Godseif was on the side of Blair, he clearly stated that, but also stated CLEARLY that he would vote against the war, because the majority of his constituents were against the war. He voted against, that is what his constituents demanded.

Your defence of Oona, is silly and pathetic, it is unbelievable.

You have stated on another forum that Oona Voted against the Iraq war in 1998, yet you have not produce any evidence of her vote to back this. Because you can not.

When you do that, I will then demonstrate what she say about support for the Palestinian issues, and how she votes, you will discover that your lovey dovey Oona is not all that you make her out to be.

What Oona says and what she does, she does with a FORKED TOUNGE, for her Lemmings, whom happen to be stupid.

I would not be surprised to learn, if you are indeed the President of the Oona Bengali Lemming Association.

Salaam


Ash

[barodate]

well if those points are true then i hate em! and +1 for ure research

[Umarkh]

Oona is brave enough to admit she supported the war in a constituency where she knew the decsion would be unpopular. However, as I have said before, she supports and independent Palestine and has said so in the Commons.

She works tirelessly for the Bengali community as well. I know I am a Muslim first, but the work she has done for Somalis and Bengalis in her area is brilliant and that is why I am going to vote for her.

The Labour Party (of which I am a member anyway) is in a trickt situation. Not many in the Labour hierarchy actually believe in what they're doing. Most of it is just to satisfy the Daily Mail reading hoi polloi. It's sad, but without them in power we will have nothing. Everyone is attacking Labour for having the guts to try and put through anti-religous discrimination laws, saying it 'prevents freedom of speech' but it is something the Jews and Sikhs have had for years.

On the first point (international issues), I believe Galloway wins hands down. He was against the war and is pro-Palestinian.

On the second point (local issues), thats a very interesting point. I can't see anything useful thats shes achieved for the muslims there. Tower Hamlets was one of the most deprived areas in the country 8 years ago and still is now.

The point is this Nishath, and you can tell your Labour Party colleagues, the Labour Party agenda is very anti-muslim e.g. Afghanistan, Iraq, anti-terror legislation, selling arms to Israel, failing our youngsters at school etc. etc. They have been taking our vote for granted. So, in order to get the message to Labour that we don't like their policies, we will vote them out of our constituencies. One by one. I couldn't care less if Oona was standing against the Monster Raving Loony Party. If I thought they had a chance of winning, I'd vote for them, just to get Oona out, and the message to the government. Change your policies, or we'll change our MPs.

[nishath_786]

Don't worry, br_ash.... I got you her stuff on palestine, I'll get you the stuff on her vote. Some of us are trying to work, you know! :p ;)

I was wholly against the war and could not believe that she voted for it despite not wanting the war a matter of 5 years previously. I'll dig out the voting record on that. Nontheless, she DOES work for the Bengali and Somali community:

1) The biggest gripe in Tower Hamlets is housing - she got the law changed to recognise overcrowding, she got hundreds of millions of pounds of investment in housing in the borough (TH has one of the highest densities of social housing) - this all sounds very boring, but it has improved the lives of hundreds of bengalis and somalis. I think that no other constituency has received as much investment as BG&B.

2) The second biggest gripe is anti-social behaviour - she was instrumental in getting Safer neighbourhoods police teams into Tower Hamlets - they have been very successful in combatting crime

3) Tower Hamlets has the most improved results in schools in the country - not specifically Oona, I know, but an achievement of her government.

4) She backed the jilbab when it became an issue in TH.

5) She is chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Genocide - She changed British policy in Central Africa, stopping further genocide. THAT is why she supported Saddam's ousting - she was on an Iraq select committee and felt sanctions were hurting too many innocent Iraqis and not Saddamm. It's also why she is against Israel, may I add.

6) She secured more aid for Bangladesh - its the second highest recipient of British aid

7) She has stopped hundreds of Muslim families being separated by her work on immigration. I can guaratee that almost everyone knows of someone who has had help from oona getting someone in, or keeping someone in.

8) Don't get me wrong, Tower Hamlets is still desparately poor. It always has been. Things ARE getting better under labour and Oona. More homes, better education, more police, unemloyment down in the area.

Look at what Galloway has done for his local constituency - NOTHING. It's all about wider issues where he has an interest. Br_ash, on another thread you support British troops. Surely, by the same regard, you support British Muslim interests. That's what Oona stands for, not Galloway.

Umarkh - The anti-terror laws are a joke and I am against them. They had similar ones against the Irish, btw. I still don't support them on this though.

As for schools - as I mention above, Tower Hamlets Schools are the most improved in teh country. Finally, B'deshi and Pakistani children are doing better at schools. It was labour that created the first state-funded Islamic schools as well, btw. The Tories/LibDems did not. Respect are against the idea (as they are secular socialists).

And Br_ash - I have provided lots of recent evidence to support my claim that Oona supports Palestine, but you have given me none to counter it.

[Umarkh]

By the way, where did you get all that info from?

Can you also tell me what Lorna Fitzsimmons has done for muslims in Rochdale too please? Sorry, I used to live in TH, but just moved back to Rochdale...still not sure where I am registered to vote, but whatever happens, my vote is pretty important, probably more important than the vote of 1bn muslims out there :(

[abdulmojid]

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[nishath_786]

Umarkh - My line of work opens up lots of research opportunities. Also, I am a labour member and get to see a lot of the work she does first hand. :)

If you want to find out what Fitzsimmons has done, go to the parliament homepage, then Hansard, search engine and then type in Lorna Fitzsimmons and the subject matter. Better if you have broadband.

Any probs, ask me and I'll find out. :help:

[br ash]

Don't worry, br_ash.... I got you her stuff on palestine, I'll get you the stuff on her vote. Some of us are trying to work, you know! :p ;)


And Br_ash - I have provided lots of recent evidence to support my claim that Oona supports Palestine, but you have given me none to counter it.

You are not the only one who works, so do I, as do many others.

Your points 1-8 are irrelevant, they have no meaning, politician who have such constituency would do the same, whether they are part of a main stream political party or even an independent. Majority of what she make out that she does, is nothing compared to what many of the local organisation do for the community at hand. She did not magically again aid to Bangladesh. One of the reason that any increased aid going to Bangladesh is to encourage the Bangladeshi Government to agree to India exploring and taping Gas, in Bangladesh for the Indian market.

Like I said I commend you on your position as President of the Oona Bengali Lemming Society, that is your choice.:D:D

I look forward to your info on Palestine issue, I will only bring out one to demonstrate how she speaks with forked tongue. When you discover that she did not vote against the Iraq war 1998, you will discover like you fellow Bengali Lemming of the Oona Lemming association, that Oona king, does indeed speak with a forked tongue.

There is a person on this forum who has a similar tendency to research or spurt out info, as you have done so far, his name is the PresidentWPM. I would personally recommend that you do not want to fall to his level, of incompetence. Check out vote for, did she vote against or did she NOTE VOTE, thereby sporting Loony Tony indirectly.


Salaam


Ash

[Umarkh]

Don't worry, br_ash.... I got you her stuff on palestine, I'll get you the stuff on her vote. Some of us are trying to work, you know! :p ;)

I was wholly against the war and could not believe that she voted for it despite not wanting the war a matter of 5 years previously. I'll dig out the voting record on that. Nontheless, she DOES work for the Bengali and Somali community:

1) The biggest gripe in Tower Hamlets is housing - she got the law changed to recognise overcrowding, she got hundreds of millions of pounds of investment in housing in the borough (TH has one of the highest densities of social housing) - this all sounds very boring, but it has improved the lives of hundreds of bengalis and somalis. I think that no other constituency has received as much investment as BG&B.

2) The second biggest gripe is anti-social behaviour - she was instrumental in getting Safer neighbourhoods police teams into Tower Hamlets - they have been very successful in combatting crime

3) Tower Hamlets has the most improved results in schools in the country - not specifically Oona, I know, but an achievement of her government.

4) She backed the jilbab when it became an issue in TH.

5) She is chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Genocide - She changed British policy in Central Africa, stopping further genocide. THAT is why she supported Saddam's ousting - she was on an Iraq select committee and felt sanctions were hurting too many innocent Iraqis and not Saddamm. It's also why she is against Israel, may I add.

6) She secured more aid for Bangladesh - its the second highest recipient of British aid

7) She has stopped hundreds of Muslim families being separated by her work on immigration. I can guaratee that almost everyone knows of someone who has had help from oona getting someone in, or keeping someone in.

8) Don't get me wrong, Tower Hamlets is still desparately poor. It always has been. Things ARE getting better under labour and Oona. More homes, better education, more police, unemloyment down in the area.

Look at what Galloway has done for his local constituency - NOTHING. It's all about wider issues where he has an interest. Br_ash, on another thread you support British troops. Surely, by the same regard, you support British Muslim interests. That's what Oona stands for, not Galloway.

Umarkh - The anti-terror laws are a joke and I am against them. They had similar ones against the Irish, btw. I still don't support them on this though.

As for schools - as I mention above, Tower Hamlets Schools are the most improved in teh country. Finally, B'deshi and Pakistani children are doing better at schools. It was labour that created the first state-funded Islamic schools as well, btw. The Tories/LibDems did not. Respect are against the idea (as they are secular socialists).

And Br_ash - I have provided lots of recent evidence to support my claim that Oona supports Palestine, but you have given me none to counter it.

1) Would've happened anyway. Am pretty sure that when money is doled out, the civil service have intelligent people who work there who decide where the money should go.

2) Would've happened anyway. Police aren't stupid either.

3) Same, as you have pointed out.

4) Good. Thats one good thing she did then. Backed the jilbab.

5) I don't think changing british policy on genocide has any impact on whether genocide happens or not. If people want to kill other people, then UK govt policy wont make any difference.

6) Would've happened anyway. As Ash has explained...

7) Another good thing she has done. But to be honest, this is part of her job.

8) More homes, less unemployment. Things are getting better (!). More killing of innocent muslim life, more billions wasted on wars, more incarceration of muslims without trial, more stops and searches of the youth...things can only get better yeah?...you don't seem to understand, she can't buy my acquiescence to the slaughter of my brothers and sisters with better housing. And even if you play the 'Oona is better for you economically' rubbish, thats not true either. We've wasted billions on those wars that should have been spent on housing and education and police.

So with Oona out, we get more money spent on Tower Hamlets instead of bombs that kill our brothers and sisters. A perfect slogan for the anti-Oona camp!

[nishath_786]

Umarkh - I am sooooo glad that you have the decency of doing it point by point without resorting to petty insults. So, thanks. We can have a decent debate, in this case. :)

Br_ash - I have provided lots of evidence to back Oona regarding Palestine etc yet you have, to date, not provided ANY to back your claim. Typical Tory, all talk no action! Now, jog on, mate and get some evidence. :nana:

Also, mate, you keep saying that I'm clueless yet you don't have the faintest clue about Tower Hamlets and the issues that affect the people here. To merely dismiss the chief causes of angst in the borough shows how out of touch you are. Again, typically Tory trait. Housing and ASB are the biggest causes of grief in TH. And this has been reflected in every poll that has been carried out amongst the community as a whole. :rolleyes:

Anyway, Umarkh, to deal with the points you have made....

Housing - Oona has spent more time on this than any other as it is the biggest priority in TH with 20 000 families on the hosuing list. Also, one of the highest densities of social housing. She has changed the law and succeeded in getting Govt funding instead of it going elsewhere. Can you imagine Galloway, or worse, a Tory (!!) getting thsi money from Gordon Brown and John Prescott? No, because they do not have that relationship with the Govt. TH has received more funding in housing than anywhere else, I believe. Solely through her lobbying of Government.

The Police - The Safer Neighbourhoods idea is one of Ken's masterstrokes. When he was looking for trial areas, he singled out TH. Why? Cos he's close to Oona. Now, this scheme is spreading throughout TH.

Funding for Bangladesh WOULD NOT have happened without extensive lobbying by Oona. Only one country gets more aid. If you think of how many nations require aid, that ain't bad. She also got a consulate opened in Sylhet as most Bengalis in the UK come from there. It was her work with Hilary benn (DFiD) and the foreign office taht got thsi stuff. And that rubbish about India just ain't right. Bangladesh's money is providing development projects around the country. There are no caveats with it.

The stuff on genocide shows that she is actively doing something to try and stop these thinsg happening again. At least now we can see the signs and intervene (like in Kosovo, Sierra Leone... )

As for the immigration cases.... the HO gave Oona's constit a trial scheme as she received more immig work than any other London constit. People gave their addresses in the constit just because they know that her office gets the work done. There are a few cases of her stopping people getting deported at the last minute.

Now, you can say that a lot of this could be done by any MP. But it's simply not true. One reason I don't want Galloway is that he has done nothing for his Glasgow constituency. He genuinely has done nothing. It's all very well galavanting off around the world being anti-Yankee (not a bad thing necessarily, but it is when you are against the bombing of Serbia for example) but you have to work for the people you represent. This is what Oona does and GG does not.

Now, regarding br_ash's points about the voluntary sector... these get money from who? The Govt and local Govt, right? Labour led Council and Labour Govt. The main voluntary orgs are also very pro-Oona because of the work that is done jointly between teh offices.

And finally... (phew!) Umarkh.... as a local member, I was very angry at her decision to back the war. Just like every other member locally. And her staff. But, as someone who lives locally, I am not going to jeopardise the lives of my brothers and sisters HERE for her stupid decison to back the war. TBH, I've actually had a go about it to her. Along with every other member here. She has her reasons, but I still don't agree. Nonetheless, the other work she has done for Muslims in this constituency means that I will vote for her.

Although a reduced majority might teach her a lesson.... :rolleyes:

[br ash]

Br_ash - I have provided lots of evidence to back Oona regarding Palestine etc yet you have, to date, not provided ANY to back your claim. Typical Tory, all talk no action! Now, jog on, mate and get some evidence.

Also, mate, you keep saying that I'm clueless yet you don't have the faintest clue about Tower Hamlets and the issues that affect the people here. To merely dismiss the chief causes of angst in the borough shows how out of touch you are. Again, typically Tory trait. Housing and ASB are the biggest causes of grief in TH. And this has been reflected in every poll that has been carried out amongst the community as a whole.



Br_ash - I have provided lots of evidence to back Oona regarding Palestine etc yet you have, to date, not provided ANY to back your claim. Typical Tory, all talk no action! Now, jog on, mate and get some evidence.

First of all as of yet you have not provided any evidence on her Voting against the Iraq war in 1998.

Neither have you provided any eveidence on her support for the Palestinian issue. other than info like OOna voted against the Iraq war in 1998, which mean nothing.

Can I ask you, when the above two point are demonstated, you will agree that you are indeed a Oona leeming and your world centres around Oonas Khyber Pass?:D

Will you agree to the above? So far you demonstrated same IQ as PresidentWPM, -2500, and you are indeed getting worse day by day. You may even take the accolade from him.

When YOU have established that you are indeed talking from your khbyer pass, and you can not prove that Oona voted against the Iraq war in 1998. I will then use the SAME methodology, showing what Oona says and what she does are two different things, when it comes to the Palestinian issue. Your lovey dovey uses the SAME METHOD, I can understand why she does that, she most likely thinks these Idiotic Bengalis in TH are stupid enough to believe that I was Voted against the war in 1998, on the same basis these stupid Bengalis will also easily believe that I am Pro Palestinian, when in fact I am not.

This will then clearly demonstarte EVERY ONE ON THIS FORUM THAT YOU ARE INDEED TALKING THROUGH YOUR KHYBER PASS.

Like i have you want to revolve your world around Oonas khyber pass, that is your choice, its a free world. :D

Like i have said I applaud you being the President of the Oona Bengali Lemming society. :D

Also the points you raised are irrelevant

You should speak to your brethren in Bangladesh regarding India Gas requirements and how Western Govt, particularly UK are encouraging Bangladesh to supply the very resource that it will need in the future to India. Speak to you brethren in Bangladesh.


Now, regarding br_ash's points about the voluntary sector... these get money from who? The Govt and local Govt, right? Labour led Council and Labour Govt. The main voluntary orgs are also very pro-Oona because of the work that is done jointly between teh offices.

Voluntary organisation by there very nature are socialist, even if Oona did not exit they would still function and do there tasks, which many have done all over the UK. These voluntary organisation do not function around OONA KHBYER PASS, they have functioned effectively well before Oona came into existence, they will equally function well after she out of political existence.

Last but not least, Conservative put a lot of Money into Liverpool, that kicked started the process there, does not mean anything. Conservative were concerned about Liverpool, yes they were, which is no different to Conservative or any Government not caring about TH. No matter which government is in power, they will invest and have invested in run down areas. There is only one fool on this forum who centres every thing around Oonas khbyer pass, that is YOU. It is only you and your Bengali Lemming believe that Oona voted against the war in 1998. That is what lemmings do, and that is you and you fellow Bengali Lemming in TH are stating.


But then any one who belives in Oona voted against the Iraq war in 1998, when she did not, would believe anything that comes out of Oona khyber pass, and that is you.:D

Salaam

Ash

[nishath_786]

Oh dear, Brash. Touched a nerve have I?

You have not come out with ANYTHING to prove contrary to what I said about Oona. Nothing at all. When you do, I will give you the respect you deserve.

At the moment, all you deserve is my contempt.

And carry on dissing Bengalis, you racist fool. Like I said, come down Whitechapel and mouth off like that. Course you won't. You're a cyber warrior and don't have the balls to do anything like that, knowing that you'd have your ugly mug kicked in.

For oona to say that in the Commons and not have anyone bring her up on it surely means something, no? Why did Galloway not say 'But you didn't vote against in 1998!' at the debate? 'Tis easily done. But you have no proof. As it stands, I have a primary source saying that she did not vote for war in 1998. You have shown me.... NOTHING.

Regarding Palestine I posted a thread. Obviously, being the no-mark illiterate that you are, you probably did not read it. I have also posted articles written by her. Oh yeah... "what she does and says" Cos apparently TELLING PEOPLE TO BOYCOTT ISRAEL is not enough for you.

Points I raise are irrelevant?

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. I see people in TH EVERY DAY worrying about housing and asb. So get your facts straight. I live and work here and know what the problems are. You just dismissing them without any proof shows what an IGNORAMUS you really are.

The Tories are AGAINST increases in public sector funding. They have said tehy want to cut £35billion from this sector. Your fuhrers Howard and Letwin came up with the sums, mate, not me. Cuts and cuts. Not investment.

All Governments spend money. Only the Tories will spend LESS than a Labour Govt. And they admit this.

Like I said, bro, give me evidence and I will take it all back. At the moment though, you just look like an idiot shouting off, being racist, being Tory (synonomous with previous points) as I have tried to demonstrate my points using primary sources when you have given SWEET F.A.

[br ash]

Oh dear, Brash. QUOTE]

You have not PROVEN THAT OONA VOTED AGAINST THE WAR IN 1998. WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE STATED. WHICH IS A FACT. LOOK AT HER VOTING RECORD. HINT, HINT, HINT.

THE SAME APPLIES TO HER WHEN SHE GOES ON ABOUT PALISTINE ISSUE. HINT, HINT, HINT.

SHE SPEAKS WITH A FORKED TOUNGE. THE ONLY LANGUAGEB THAT OONAS LEEMINGS UNDERSTAND.

KNOW YOU BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE OONA LEEMING BENGALI ASSOCIATION, WOULD KNOW THAT, WOULD YOU NOT:D

But then you being the President of the Oona Bengali Association, what can one expect:D

You said that Oona stated TELLING PEOPLE TO BOYCOTT ISRAEL. Like a typical Lemming, you fall for it. The Arab leaders were going on about Boycott of Israel, whilst they were purchasing goods indirectly from Israel. Saudi Arabia has 7 Marks and Spencer’s outlet, did they stop trading, in support of the Palestinian people being butchered in Israel, nope. ONLY Lemmings follow what people say, that is the nature of the beast., like your self..

Just because some one says something, that does not mean, that they mean what they say. They only way some one DEMONSTRATES WHAT THEY SAY, IS BY TAKING APPROPRIOATE ACTION, like how they vote on issues. Oon King did not vote against the War on Iraq in 1998.




[QUOTE]Like I said, bro, give me evidence and I will take it all back. At the moment though, you just look like an idiot shouting off, being racist, being Tory (synonomous with previous points) as I have tried to demonstrate my points using primary sources when you have given SWEET F.A.

You have not provided ANY EVIDENCE at all. ALL YOU HAVE PROVIDED IS SWEET what ever:D The person being an idiot is your self, you stated that Oona VOTED AGAINTS THE WAR in 1998, SHOW US HER VOTING RECORD.
When you discover that you discover, how Oona uses her Lemmings like your self, and any Bengali or Pakistani etc etc etc.

ANY ONE WHO THINK THAT OONA VOTED AGAINT THE WAR IN 1998 is an Oona Poohna Lemming. So far the only person on this forum is you. Like i said i applaud you, as the President of Oona Bengali Lemming Society, simply because only Lemmings would believe what she says.

I am not a racist and never have been, now just because you do not like what I say, does not make it racist. I call Pakistani, Arabs, Bengali lemmings and every one who votes or sympathies with the ilk of Oona Poohna, Oona Poohna Leemings, because that is what they are


Salaam


ash

[Umarkh]

Umarkh - I am sooooo glad that you have the decency of doing it point by point without resorting to petty insults. So, thanks. We can have a decent debate, in this case. :)

Anyway, Umarkh, to deal with the points you have made....

Housing - Oona has spent more time on this than any other as it is the biggest priority in TH with 20 000 families on the hosuing list. Also, one of the highest densities of social housing. She has changed the law and succeeded in getting Govt funding instead of it going elsewhere.

The Police - The Safer Neighbourhoods idea is one of Ken's masterstrokes. When he was looking for trial areas, he singled out TH. Why? Cos he's close to Oona. Now, this scheme is spreading throughout TH.

Funding for Bangladesh WOULD NOT have happened without extensive lobbying by Oona. Only one country gets more aid.

The stuff on genocide shows that she is actively doing something to try and stop these thinsg happening again. At least now we can see the signs and intervene (like in Kosovo, Sierra Leone... )

As for the immigration cases.... the HO gave Oona's constit a trial scheme as she received more immig work than any other London constit. People gave their addresses in the constit just because they know that her office gets the work done. There are a few cases of her stopping people getting deported at the last minute.

Now, you can say that a lot of this could be done by any MP. But it's simply not true. One reason I don't want Galloway is that he has done nothing for his Glasgow constituency. He genuinely has done nothing. It's all very well galavanting off around the world being anti-Yankee (not a bad thing necessarily, but it is when you are against the bombing of Serbia for example) but you have to work for the people you represent. This is what Oona does and GG does not.

And finally... (phew!) Umarkh.... as a local member, I was very angry at her decision to back the war. Just like every other member locally. And her staff. But, as someone who lives locally, I am not going to jeopardise the lives of my brothers and sisters HERE for her stupid decison to back the war. TBH, I've actually had a go about it to her. Along with every other member here. She has her reasons, but I still don't agree. Nonetheless, the other work she has done for Muslims in this constituency means that I will vote for her.

Although a reduced majority might teach her a lesson.... :rolleyes:

TBH I agree that Oona may be better for the LOCAL community because she does have the connections with the Labour Party that GG doesn't. We have a rubbish political back-scratching system, but thats the way it is. If Oona votes to kill muslims, she gets money to buy the votes off. Understood.

Personally, I believe if GG wins the Labour Party will be soooo shocked that they will be forced to amend their policies on the war on muslims and be more reluctant to go to war, to introduce ID cards, to sell arms to Israel because they know it will cost them seats. This may cost BG&B financially, or it may not because wars are expensive. Maybe more money would have reached BG&B if the war had not happened?

TBH even if it did, I would take the financial hit, cos at the end of the day I will have to answer to Allah about what I did about our country killing our brothers and sisters. And if my answer is 'well, I wanted a nicer house to live in', then I don't fancy my chances.

So, i don't think we're gonna agree. Fair play, you vote for the killing of muslims, you'll get the £££ in this life, maybe not the next...

wasalaam and thanks for the info on Oona...interesting and useful, feel free to give me more. Its all useful to understand how our political system works.

[nishath_786]

As it goes, I was MIA yesterday. I was at the GLA regarding the proposed cuts to BG&B's fire service. Oona gave a good speech and was on teh side of the fire service. Unfortunately, the Fire Authority voted to keep a plan which means fewer fire engines.

I met her and raised Br_ash's points, as it goes. Why did she abstain in 1998? Why did she abstain with the terror laws?

Now, this goes to your points, Umarkh. She abstained in '98 because to vote against would have jeopardised the money she needed for Tower Hamlets. It's all very well grandstanding like Galloway, but he has not suceeded in getting teh Govt to invest in his area or in getting laws changed. The Terror laws, was a similar response. She did not believe in teh curtailing of liberties, but felt that to vote against would have jeopardised the money we have just received in gap funding for housing.

Unfortunately, that IS the way politics works around the world. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If she had voted against the terror laws, like many of us wanted, she would have been attacked for pandering to her electorate in light of her decison over Iraq. If she voted for, the repurcussions are obvious.

I also asked her why she thought war was necessary when Palestine is a more pressing concern. She told me (as she said in the Commons) that even though Sharonis a War Crimminal, she could not let further deaths in Iraq occur neither. If a vote was taken on Israel, she would back action there too, just like she did with Kosovo, unlike a certain Mr Galloway.

And there lies my biggest beef with Galloway. He is not pro-Muslim, but simply anti-American. If he was pro-Muslim he would have supported action in Kosovo, but he did not. He supported Soviet action in Afghanistan (he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the saddest day in his life).

I feel for our Ummah, but it is only natural that people will look to their own first. Oona regrets the actions taken by forces in Iraq. While she supported the removal of Saddam, she thinks that the subsequent actions of the Americans is disastrous.

And Galloway in Parlt will NOT convince the British Government to withdraw troops. Britain will only withdraw troops once there is a lasting peace. This mayt take some time (something they obviosuly never thought about) and tbh, I would rather teh British stayed, solely to sort out the mess that they made.

And also, if we are totally honest, we would much rather British troops keep the peace than teh Yankees.

As a historian, I was so angry when I found out that Sumerian (the world's first civilisation) artefacts and buildings (like the Zaggurat at Ur) were grafitti'd by Yank troops.

The British troops (and bearing in mind Br_ash calls them "our troops") have established more of a 'hearts and minds' campaign to get the people onside.

[br ash]

First of all for you to believe what she said makes you an Oona Leeming.

Now you says she abstained: YOU ARE A JOKE AND NOTHING BUT A LEMMING. Ironically you have proven my point.

If you are going to fall for the rubbish that she would not have got the money, had she not abstained, the Labour party would have been exposed all talk and nothing else. They would have lost more votes.

If a MP can not get what he/she wants for her constituency, that party loses that vote, loses that seat. And that is the name of the game.

If you care to research there are MP like Roger Godseif who have got and achieved a lot more for constituents, who happen to be Asian on the same model as you are proposing for Oona. HE LISTEND TO HIS CONSITUENTS, HE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, YET HE WAS PRO WAR, HE GETS THINGS DONE FOR HIS CONSITUENTS, FUNDING ETC. Irony is there are over 30 other MPs who are against the war, and they get every single penney that they need for there constituency.

All I can say you have confirmed to us all that you are indeed a Lemming and every singe Bengali or Pakistani who votes for Oona, is the lowest form of human life, you must be really be stupid to accept Oonas Poohnas reasoning.

You demonstrate that you indeed are Dim wit lemming, with an IQ capacity -25000

I see Jewish people, they do not even vote Labour, and they get the Money and get their way.

I see Hindu get their way, I see the Sikh community get their way.

All I see is in TH is Bengalis begging like pathetic lemming and the get scarps, on the basis of selling fellow lives of fellow Muslim. YOU DISGUST ME.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPALIN TO ME, WHY ARE THE MPs in THE OTHER LABOUR MPs THAT VOTED AGAINST BLAIR GET FUNDING AND MONEY FOR THERE COMMUNITY. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPALIN THIS :D, Lemming.

Can you EXPLAIN HOW SHE COMEs UP WITH SUPPORTING PALESTINE ISSUES, and when it comes to voting, she stabs Palestinian in the back.. WHAT IS HER EXCUSE ON THIS:D LEMMING

LIKE I HAVE SAID YOU OONA PHOONA SPEAK WITH A FORKED TOUNGE. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT SUCH PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS WITH A TWISTED BRIAN, AND THE LOWEST FORM HUMAN LIFE.

Political parties give money and listen,, no matter how the MP votes, do you know why? Because they want to retain the seat and the MP is question. If they do not that seat may make THE difference in after the next general election. In the case of LABOUR, they do to want to lose seats. If they have to they will poor in £100,000s, to show people in other political parties seats, vote Labour and we will do the same.

For you to believe what you Oona Phoohna has stated, she must have appointed you as the World President of the Oona Phoona Bengali LEEMING Association. Congratulations on your appointment.:D

Salaam


Ash

[nishath_786]

Because not voting for war is obviously voting for it, right? If you do not vote for it, what are you doing then??

Those MPs that 'get things' for their constituents... do they have the most deprived area in London? I doubt it. Your lack of understanding of the political process just highlights why you need to shout all the time and use pathetic insults.

You ask for proof, but when I provide it, you reject it saying it's not proof. As I said, noone challenged her over what she said. If she was not being truthful about her decison, then surely the Chief Whip might have said something. After all it was he that she was talking about. Again, you have proved you have not the foggiest about politics. That's why you're a Tory.

As I said before, Tower Hamlets has got the biggest investment in terms of housing (I've run through all the points, I'm not going to provoke your pathetic wrath by highlighting every other example) more than any other borough or constituency.

As I have provided clear cut examples and quotes DIRECTLY from the house (and primary sources are the best example of evidence, not hearsay, moron) yet you have provided none. Jog on, son.

And what is a 'TWISTED BRIAN'?? Who the hell is he? :nana:

I may disgust you, Br_ash, but you are a disgrace to your people by voting for a party that voted for war in greater numbers than mine, for supporting the Zionist Michael Howard and for actually believing their spin. In fact, I'd go so far as to call you a COCONUT!!

[br ash]

Because not voting for war is obviously voting for it, right? If you do not vote for it, what are you doing then??

Those MPs that 'get things' for their constituents... do they have the most deprived area in London? I doubt it. Your lack of understanding of the political process just highlights why you need to shout all the time and use pathetic insults.

You ask for proof, but when I provide it, you reject it saying it's not proof. As I said, noone challenged her over what she said. If she was not being truthful about her decison, then surely the Chief Whip might have said something. After all it was he that she was talking about. Again, you have proved you have not the foggiest about politics. That's why you're a Tory.

As I said before, Tower Hamlets has got the biggest investment in terms of housing (I've run through all the points, I'm not going to provoke your pathetic wrath by highlighting every other example) more than any other borough or constituency.

As I have provided clear cut examples and quotes DIRECTLY from the house (and primary sources are the best example of evidence, not hearsay, moron) yet you have provided none. Jog on, son.

And what is a 'TWISTED BRIAN'?? Who the hell is he? :nana:

I may disgust you, Br_ash, but you are a disgrace to your people by voting for a party that voted for war in greater numbers than mine, for supporting the Zionist Michael Howard and for actually believing their spin. In fact, I'd go so far as to call you a COCONUT!!


And what is a 'TWISTED BRIAN'?

THEY ARE OONA PHOONA LEMMING :nana:


Salaam


Ash

[br ash]

Because not voting for war is obviously voting for it, right? If you do not vote for it, what are you doing then??

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Because not voting for war is obviously voting for it, right? If you do not vote for it, what are you doing then??

Like i have said, clearly Oona says thing in Parliament for her Lemmings to hear. She want to be in Loony Tonys good books, she will then not vote, this way showing to Tony, indirectly i am voting for you. This is standard practice in politics. Demonstrating that you do not know what you are talking about..

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, i allowed you, by giving you hints, yet despite that you dug your own deep hole by showing to every one on this forum that you indeed are the Mother of all Lemmings

Those MPs that 'get things' for their constituents... do they have the most deprived area in London? I doubt it. Your lack of understanding of the political process just highlights why you need to shout all the time and use pathetic insults.
The above point clearly shows you have no understanding, other Labour MPs who voted against, the War, have got many things done. But then only Lemming will say what you have just stated, proving your self to be a lemming .


Again you talk gibberish, the language of a lemming. Please go and check how many Labour MPs voted for and How Conservatives voted for. You will discover that More Labour MPs voted for the Iraq War.

So far on this forum you demonstrated that you indeed do not know what you are talking about. From the rubbish that you have talked about your lovey dovey Oona Phoona. YET YOU CAN NOT EXPALIN AS TO WHY ARE OTHER LABOUR MPs THAT VOTED AGAINST BLAIR, GET FUNDING AND MONEY FOR THERE COMMUNITY. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPALIN THIS:D Lemming


You said: I may disgust you, Br_ash, but you are a disgrace to your people by voting for a party that voted for war in greater numbers than mine, for supporting the Zionist Michael Howard and for actually believing their spin. In fact, I'd go so far as to call you a COCONUT!!


The above shows you stupidity, you come up with Lemming thinking, if you care to do your research you will discover that more Labour MPs voted for the War, than Conservative. This kind of argument again show lack of political maturity and understanding, makes your IQ that of -250000000000.

I have to give it to you, you better than PresidentWPM. I thought he was the pits, you have excelled him. He also happens to a be a Labour nut. He comes up with statements that Surhato is dead, when he is in fact alive.

You come with statements that Oona VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, WHEN SHE HAD NOT. Now you come up with More Conservative MPs voted for the War than Labour. Now that is the Language of a Coconut. But then we all know that all Coconuts, are lemmings. For that is what Lemming are, COCONUTS:D And we all know that you are the President of the Oona Phoona Bengali Lemming Society:D

Since you have come up on this forum you have made up facts, clearly showing that you do not know what you are talking about. THAT IS A FACT. Now you come up with More Conservative MPs voted for the War than Labour.

Can I ask you a honest question, are all Labour Muslim Lemming as illiterates and uneducated and talk load of rubbish as you do, make out lies as facts. But then that is the behaviour of COCONUTS, is it not.:D

Salaam

Ash

[UmmZakariya]

Br ash you insulting of Nishath is unacceptable, im really disappointed in you ....i ask you to apologise, personal insults like calling someone a 'lemming' etc will no to tolerated.

We have alawys appreciated your contribution and support at MPACUK pls adhere to our posting guidlines and to our faith do not insult your fellow brother, who essentially agrees with you on the point of political participation as is just as active and concerned as you are.

Pls apologise and trade ideas not insults.

[Umarkh]

Q for you Nishath.

If Galloway makes heavy strides into the Labour vote in BG&B, or even wins the vote, do you think firstly the Labour Party as a whole and secondly the Labour Party in BG&B will listen a little more closely to you when they decide on anything that muslims will not like e.g. attacking Syria or civil liberties?
So, perversely, will Galloway doing well actually give u MORE leverage in the Labour Party?

Be honest. If you want us all to vote blindly for Labour cos you a Labour/Oona fanatic, just say so. This is an honest discussion.

[nishath_786]

Umarkh - I've tried to be as honest as possible, mate. I don't have any beef with you so no probs... :D

I very much doubt whether Galloway will make any difference to the party.

Blair is too stubborn to admit he was wrong about Iraq. He has started an interventionist policy and I can see him doing it again. To be fair, I met some Iranian dissidents the other day. They were unhappy at events in Iran and were urging Labour to do something. They attacked Jack Straw for his policy of rapprochement with Iran!

If Galloway wins, the feeling with labour is that it will stiffen their resolve. No MPs like him anyway, so I get a feeling people will just support the war more, perversely. Look at the hunting debate. They went ahead with that knowing that those people protesting were against labour anyway. It's the same with this situation. If Galloway wins, labour will work hard to get them back 'next time' but will not make any extra concessions.

And if there is a substantial swing to Galloway, but he don't win (which is what it looks like at the moment) it will make no difference whatsoever. If anything, (and bearing in mind that I'm actively campaigning for labour) BG&B could be rewarded if it stays labour. Oona is working for more funding for housing. This is a subject which Galloway does nto care about so I can't really see it happening if he wins.

As for Syria and Iran, though, I genuinely believe that Britain will not do anything against these nations. We have seen already that Britain favours rapprochement with Iran. I think they'd favour the same with Syria.

If anything were to occur, I promise you now that my membership will be torn up. :eek: and I'll actively support a different party. For many, Iraq was the breaking point. Not mine. I'm waiting for Blair to walk first.... ;)

[Umarkh]

Umarkh - I've tried to be as honest as possible, mate. I don't have any beef with you so no probs... :D

I very much doubt whether Galloway will make any difference to the party.

Blair is too stubborn to admit he was wrong about Iraq. He has started an interventionist policy and I can see him doing it again. To be fair, I met some Iranian dissidents the other day. They were unhappy at events in Iran and were urging Labour to do something. They attacked Jack Straw for his policy of rapprochement with Iran!

If Galloway wins, the feeling with labour is that it will stiffen their resolve. No MPs like him anyway, so I get a feeling people will just support the war more, perversely. Look at the hunting debate. They went ahead with that knowing that those people protesting were against labour anyway. It's the same with this situation. If Galloway wins, labour will work hard to get them back 'next time' but will not make any extra concessions.

And if there is a substantial swing to Galloway, but he don't win (which is what it looks like at the moment) it will make no difference whatsoever. If anything, (and bearing in mind that I'm actively campaigning for labour) BG&B could be rewarded if it stays labour. Oona is working for more funding for housing. This is a subject which Galloway does nto care about so I can't really see it happening if he wins.

As for Syria and Iran, though, I genuinely believe that Britain will not do anything against these nations. We have seen already that Britain favours rapprochement with Iran. I think they'd favour the same with Syria.

If anything were to occur, I promise you now that my membership will be torn up. :eek: and I'll actively support a different party. For many, Iraq was the breaking point. Not mine. I'm waiting for Blair to walk first.... ;)

Not sure about your meeting with Iranian dissidents signifying anything. Presumably all the people who love Iran and don't want intervention do not stroll the streets of London being dissident. Anyways, thats a side point.

Scenario 1: Galloway wins
I can see the point you make that the pro-hunt lobby don't vote Labour anyway, so Labour don't care about them. However, Muslims DO vote Labour, so I presume Labour WOULD care about losing their vote. Are you really suggesting that Labour don't mind losing votes, and in turn, seats?

Scenario 2: Galloway does well and comes second
Do you deny the fact that when the BNP start to win a few votes, the Labour Party policy shifts a bit to the right?
Are you also denying the fact that when immigration becomes public issue number 1, the Labour Party policy shifts (for no other reason than this, because immigration is statiscally proven to be economically brilliant for the UK), Labour Party policy hardens against immigration?
Hence, following the same argument, why do you believe that the effect that a strong vote for a pro-war, pro-civil liberties candidate will NOT have a similar policy shift effect?

You still have to really answer these points, instead of pointing out the benefits that Oona King will bring to housing etc. I can easily point out all the billions wasted on wars that could have been well spent on housing, probably if those same billions were distributed amongst the nation in equal proportions, BG&B would have had MORE investment than with Oona. But this is not the issue. Answer the qs.

[nishath_786]

Umarkh - regarding Iranian dissidents, the point I was makingis that sometimes there is lobbying for intervention, in this case Iran. It's difficult to balance whether to intervene or not. The Govt has said it won't attack Iran, but I was just showing that there is a large section of their community that want something done. I could not sit there and say to them "What? You want ANOTHER Muslim land invaded??" to people who had been tortured... ;)

1) Galloway winning - As I said, the man is hated in Westminster by all sides of the spectrum. His solitary voice will not change the Govt's opinion. The fact that he probably wouldn't show up anyway is a side issue. The Govt have said that they are unwilling to abandon Iraq. They aren't going to do so if one man wins on an anti-war ticket.

2) Regarding a swing to Respect. As I said, the Govt is likely to reward those for staying with them. If BG&B swings but stays Labour, I cannot see them changing policy on Iraq - If anything it could almost justify their belief that they were right to take our vote for granted! :eek: The Govt, for every pereceived blow against Muslims, has always tried to soften the blow with sweeteners like religous discrimination laws etc. I can see this happening again. My analogy with the pro-hunters was meant to signify the Govt's resolve in certain matters. The War is one of them.

As for immigration policies, that is not because of the threat of the BNP, but more the readership fo the 'Daily Mail' who are rabidly anti-immigration but the sort of people Labour want to attract (unfortunately).

Reagrding Civil Liberties - This issue is causing grief WITHIN the Labour Party let alone other parties.

[Umarkh]

Umarkh - regarding Iranian dissidents, the point I was makingis that sometimes there is lobbying for intervention, in this case Iran. It's difficult to balance whether to intervene or not. The Govt has said it won't attack Iran, but I was just showing that there is a large section of their community that want something done. I could not sit there and say to them "What? You want ANOTHER Muslim land invaded??" to people who had been tortured... ;)

1) Galloway winning - As I said, the man is hated in Westminster by all sides of the spectrum. His solitary voice will not change the Govt's opinion. The fact that he probably wouldn't show up anyway is a side issue. The Govt have said that they are unwilling to abandon Iraq. They aren't going to do so if one man wins on an anti-war ticket.

2) Regarding a swing to Respect. As I said, the Govt is likely to reward those for staying with them. If BG&B swings but stays Labour, I cannot see them changing policy on Iraq - If anything it could almost justify their belief that they were right to take our vote for granted! :eek: The Govt, for every pereceived blow against Muslims, has always tried to soften the blow with sweeteners like religous discrimination laws etc. I can see this happening again. My analogy with the pro-hunters was meant to signify the Govt's resolve in certain matters. The War is one of them.

As for immigration policies, that is not because of the threat of the BNP, but more the readership fo the 'Daily Mail' who are rabidly anti-immigration but the sort of people Labour want to attract (unfortunately).

Reagrding Civil Liberties - This issue is causing grief WITHIN the Labour Party let alone other parties.

I can't be bothered with this. I've asked a number of very straight questions, which you have evaded. You then also make comments on things that I haven't even mention to confuse issues. e.g. Who said anything about the govt leaving Iraq? How the heck did Iran get involved in this? You sound like a politician, on this to purely promote Labour. You're not here to have a sensible discussion.

Plus you contradict yourself all over the place...you say its because of pressure (from the Mail) that the govt policy has changed, yet you don't seem to think pressure (from voters) has at least an equal affect. It wont only be one constituency that Labour lose on an anti-war ticket, it will be many.

Anyway, you just keep fighting for Oona. I'll be voting Galloway and insha'Allah he wins.

And to make a final point, a few Iranians you meet in London does not constitute a 'large proportion' of their country in the same way that a few Londoners I meet in London does not constitute a 'large proportion' of this country.

Discussion over mate...you're just not having an honest debate. :nono:

[nishath_786]

Umarkh - I've tried to be as honest as possible. I have said that Galloway winning will not make a difference to Labour/Blair. It will not give more leverage. What more do you want from the answer? A simple 'Yes' or 'No' is not what you wanted, right?

Pressure from voters did not have an effect a couple of years ago when we all marched along with a million others.

Yet the Sun and the Mail say there are too many immigrants and the Govt says "Hmmm, you're right!"

This shows us that there are times when the Govt listens and times when the Govt does not. Do you HONESTLY believe that Blair and Co will listen to Galloway?? I have pointed out that they won't, so it won't make a difference.

As for talking about Iraq etc, this is what Galloway is all about and what his party are about. THAT is why i brought them up.

[Umarkh]

Umarkh - I've tried to be as honest as possible. I have said that Galloway winning will not make a difference to Labour/Blair. It will not give more leverage. What more do you want from the answer? A simple 'Yes' or 'No' is not what you wanted, right?

Pressure from voters did not have an effect a couple of years ago when we all marched along with a million others.

Yet the Sun and the Mail say there are too many immigrants and the Govt says "Hmmm, you're right!"

This shows us that there are times when the Govt listens and times when the Govt does not. Do you HONESTLY believe that Blair and Co will listen to Galloway?? I have pointed out that they won't, so it won't make a difference.

As for talking about Iraq etc, this is what Galloway is all about and what his party are about. THAT is why i brought them up.

In response to your 1st para, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think Labour losing Brent East, then Leicester South and nearly a constituency in inner-city Brum, and now Rochdale, BG&B, Blackburn and a few other places will cause a shift in Labour policies. The BNP have caused more movement than I expect us to cause, and they only get a few votes.

In response to your second paragraph, when did i ever mention that the ONLY Labour policy shift I expected was attacking other countries??? When? What I believe and what I have mentioned is that when it comes down civil liberties leg'n, when it comes down to muslim schools, muslim unemployment, there will be a policy shift in favour of muslims (which I just said above). I don't expect there to be a major shift when it comes to attacking muslim countries, the Jewish lobby is too powerful. But when it comes to things the Zionists have little interest in, we can have our rights. But to get them, we need to show Labour they can't take our vote for granted. Maybe in a few years time we will be powerful enough to stop a muslim country being attacked...one step at a time...but that day will come insha'Allah.

In response to para 4, when did I ever say the Govt would listen to Galloway?
You're putting words in my mouth. Again.

I have heard all your arguments and I RESPECTfully disagree. ;)