Black Spider: Michael Howard Attacks Mayor Ken!

[Huthaifah]

Black Spider: Michael Howard Attacks Mayor Ken!

A Zionist is a Zionist for life!

That is why Michael-I-Love-Golda-Meir-Howard took his turn at stabbing Mayor Ken Livingstone!

Plus Oona King, the opinion polls and more...

Michael-I-Love-Golda-Meir-Howard yet again revealed his double standards this week when he condemned Mayor Ken's Nazi comment.

Howard said, "Politicians from all parties should campaign with civility and courtesy. It is important for all politicians to be mindful of their language."

Are loyal MPACERS laughing out loud yet? I mean, pull another one!

This from the Conservative Party leader who attacked Sheikh Al-Qaradawi in the House of Commons and demanded that he be kicked out of Britain!

Where was the civility and courtesy by Michael Howard for Sheikh Al-Qaradawi?

This from a man whose Party, the Conservative Party, backed the Iraq war and made it possible for the attack to go ahead. Even now in February 2005, Howard states, "I supported the war on Iraq. I STILL believe it was the right thing to do."

Where was the civility and courtesy by Michael Howard for the innocent Iraqi people?

This from a man who often speaks of his admiration for the most anti-Palestinian Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, infamous for her belief that there were no Palestinian people because they did not exist!

Where was the civility and courtesy by Micheal Howard for the oppressed Palestinian people?

This from a man who refused to allow the Conservative party to support the Incitement to Religious Hatred law which would act to protect vulnerable Muslim sisters and children.

Where was the civility and courtesy by Michael Howard for the British Muslims?

We repeat, Michael-Love-Golda-Meir-Howard is NOT a friend of the Muslims!

The Labour Minister Mike O'Brien was right when he said that Muslims could NOT trust Michael Howard.

This is not because Michael Howard is of the Jewish faith. This is because he has proven time and time again that he is a Zionist and Zionists cannot EVER be friends of the Muslims.

We had a comment submitted to us from a sister named Sabiha. She wrote, A vote for a Tory candidate (even a Muslim) is a vote for Michael Howard, and a vote for Michael Howard is a vote for Israel. May Allah (swt) bless this sister for her insight. Ameen.

MPAC does not disagree that Muslims need to join the Conservative party, but only after Michael Howard is removed as leader. Boycott the Tories until then!

Oona King MP

Nice to see Oona King's smiling face in the Jewish media. Has she given up on being photographed at the mosques now that she has had all invitations withdrawn. Is this why she was photographed in the synagogue? The only religious group to give her support after her support for the Iraq war?

Rod Liddle's fumbling incompetence

What can we say to journalist Rod Little of the Specatator after his little outburst at the Muslims! Known in media circles to have lost his mind in the somewhat seedy (yes so naturally Conservative) Spectator office, (Boris Johnson, Kimberley Fortier and how many others? ) we think that perhaps Rod fumbles with more than his trousers. Or perhaps he is so busy fumbling that he has lost all journalistic capability. Perhaps he no longer feels he needs to 'research' stories and just make things up on the spot. Perhaps that is what he is good at. Making things up!

How else could he have put together that rather pathetic article in which he claimed that Muslims are somewhat all anti-semitic by applauding 'jewish bashing.'

For the record, not a single Muslim organisation made any comment on the Labour Party's Michael-loves-Golda-Meir-Howard Fagin posters.

We did however defend Ken from the unfair demands for an apology. But does Liddle really think that the media polls in support of Ken were all Muslim respondents? Does he really think that ordinary Londeners backed the Jewish community's call for an apology? We think not.

Ordinary, non-Jewish non-Muslim people recognised a witch hunt against Ken and so they backed him.

Let us give you the figures:

BBC London polled more then 10,000 people. 66% backed Ken.

Guardian Online polled 4,768. 77% backed Ken.

Times Media polled 200 of which 75% backed Ken

City Hall received 2000 letters. 76% backed Ken

Can we really believe that all these people were Muslims? Are our numbers that sophisticated? We think if Ken had to rely on Muslims, he would have lost. Tell us your views in the Comment Section.

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Black Spider: Michael Howard Attacks Mayor Ken!

A Zionist is a Zionist for life!




Being one of these addicted individual who loves watching Prime Minister question time, was completely baffled by the reply of the Prime Minister to a questions posed by a Conservative regarding Ken Livingstone. As we all know the issue at hand is to do with Ken Livinstone and the rude reporter.

Please find enclosed the transcript from 10 Downing St Web Site is as follows (25th of February 2005, Friday Just Gone):


Q8. [217023] Mr. James Clappison (Hertsmere) (Con): The Prime Minister has said that the Mayor of London should apologise for his remarks, which in the view of many people were offensive and ignorant. Yesterday the Mayor of London refused to apologise. Is that it, as far as the Prime Minister is concerned?


The Prime Minister: The Mayor of London has said what he has said—I have already made my position on it clear. I believe that it is sensible to move on, however. I will tell the House what else I think—that there has not been a bigger supporter of the state of Israel than this Government and this Prime Minister. Whatever mischief some Conservatives make out of the incident, I hope that it is not taken seriously, as I am sure that it is not, by the Jewish community.


If any one knows anything but anything about Zionism, its routes lay deep in the Socialist Movement. Ironically the Labour Movement within the UK, played a major part in supporting the Zionist Movement in the early days of Israel etc etc etc. Probably explains why there is more hard core support for Zionism within the Labour movement than with in the Conservative Party.

Many have a PERCIVED view that Labour supports the underdog, this then reminds me of a quote by Jon Mendelsohn of the Labour Friends of Israel group.

'"Blair has attacked the anti-Israelism that had existed in the Labour Party. Old Labour was cowboys-and-Indians politics, picking underdogs to support," Mendelsohn says, referring to the time before Blair rebranded his party as 'New Labour' in the 1990s, "but the milieu has changed. Zionism is pervasive in New Labour. It is automatic that Blair will come to Labour Friends of Israel meetings."'




Salaam


Ash

[nishath_786]

You're right... labour WAS pro-Israel. As was teh Soviet Union (believe it or not!) and it was Czech aramaments that helped the Israeli armies defeat the Arab armies in 1948.

BUT - things have changed. Noone in the labour party is going to deny Israel's right to exist. No realist amongst us will neither. Yet, several labour party members and more importantly, MPs support a strong independent Palestine. This includes Blair and Straw, believe it or not, and Oona King, Bill Rammell etc etc.

The Tories are far more Zionist than the Labour party - look at Howard, for example. The Tories would never have negotiations with teh PLO for example, wheras Labour have actively engaged with them.

[br ash]

You're right... labour WAS pro-Israel. As was teh Soviet Union (believe it or not!) and it was Czech aramaments that helped the Israeli armies defeat the Arab armies in 1948.

BUT - things have changed. Noone in the labour party is going to deny Israel's right to exist. No realist amongst us will neither. Yet, several labour party members and more importantly, MPs support a strong independent Palestine. This includes Blair and Straw, believe it or not, and Oona King, Bill Rammell etc etc.

The Tories are far more Zionist than the Labour party - look at Howard, for example. The Tories would never have negotiations with teh PLO for example, wheras Labour have actively engaged with them.




You are showing your self up.

Nobody would imagined that the Tories would have spoken and negotiated with the IRA, yet they did, despite the IRA, carrying out a mortar attack number 10, with and Brighton bombing. Attacking the heart of Conservative leadership.

Again you come up with complete and utter Labour Muslim Lemming lies:D

Can i ask you a question, do all Labour Muslims believe in what you are saying:D

Please don’t tell me that you seriously believe in what you say, if you do, explains easily the predicament that Muslims are in for following Labour Muslims :D:D


Salaam


Ash

[nishath_786]

*sigh*

Can you not make a response without a lame attempt at insulting me?

Thatcher for all her ills, supported Palestine. Did you know that, Tory Boy? She asked 'Why should we do anything for you? Look at what you do the Palestinians!' - I was amazed at that too.

The Tories, though, did very little then for Palestine and will do even less were they to be in power. And everyone knows it. The only reason Howard is against the ridiculous House Arrest laws of Clarke are cos he saw the error of his ways regarding the War in Iraq. He wants to make political points out of seeing Labour mess up. Can't blame him, cos it's his job. But the policy is even more Tory than Tory! Keep followingthe Tories, though, there's a good little rich boy!

If they were so serious about Muslims, why are there no Muslim candidates in safe seats?

Labour 'Lemmings' like Siddiqi in in safe seats liek Tooting on the other hand...

[br ash]

*sigh*

Can you not make a response without a lame attempt at insulting me?

Thatcher for all her ills, supported Palestine. Did you know that, Tory Boy? She asked 'Why should we do anything for you? Look at what you do the Palestinians!' - I was amazed at that too.

The Tories, though, did very little then for Palestine and will do even less were they to be in power. And everyone knows it. The only reason Howard is against the ridiculous House Arrest laws of Clarke are cos he saw the error of his ways regarding the War in Iraq. He wants to make political points out of seeing Labour mess up. Can't blame him, cos it's his job. But the policy is even more Tory than Tory! Keep followingthe Tories, though, there's a good little rich boy!

If they were so serious about Muslims, why are there no Muslim candidates in safe seats?

Labour 'Lemmings' like Siddiqi in in safe seats liek Tooting on the other hand...

You talk illogically, you made out the Conservative would not talk to the PLO, when they have gone into discussions with the very organisation that did its best to kill it members. You do not know what you are talking about, that is a fact. Because you are showing your self up, that it not my problem, it yours.


Again you do not know what you are talking about, its nothing to do with Iraq. The Conservative by large are Libertarian. Conservatives are against it because House arrest it conflicts with there view point of individual liberty. Nothing to do with Iraq, if you think it is, it shows lack of understanding, an knowing that you indeed do not know what you are talking about.:D.

Its Freedom once you give that power away, that type of power will remove individual freedom, for many. Conservatives do not like that.

In the same way Conservatives were not tolerating the removal trail by Jury. Its all to with individual liberties thing, which New Labour is all against:D

Its a freedom thing, with the Conservative in the UK, you Labour Muslims will never understand of comprehend.


Identity cards, many CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS are Against, its big brother thing, we do not like it, its an individual liberty thing. Which Labour is against.

Like I have said, you do not know what you are talking about, you have demonstrated that yet, and yet again.

Salaam


Ash

[nishath_786]

Your quality of English is awful... hope you don't speak like that. Typos are understandable, but grammar and spelling, well, I'm sure Tory Policies on education will sort you out.

Israel negotiated with the PLO despite them not even acknowledging Palestinians as a people. Throws your argument down the well, don't it?

[br ash]

Your quality of English is awful... hope you don't speak like that. Typos are understandable, but grammar and spelling, well, I'm sure Tory Policies on education will sort you out.

Israel negotiated with the PLO despite them not even acknowledging Palestinians as a people. Throws your argument down the well, don't it?




forget about my English, the issue is you do not know what you are talking about. That is the issue. And I have demonstrated it.

You said Israel negotiated with the PLO despite them not even acknowledging Palestinians as a people. Throws your argument down the well, don't it?

What argument does it throw out, please explain:D:D:D

Mate, you are digging your self a deep hole.


Salaam

Ash

[nishath_786]

I was showing that people sometimes negotiate with those they don't like. IRA with Tories - PLO and Israelis.

No, please show me where the Tories have ever said anything of note on Palestine? I gave you one earlier...

[LookingForPeace]

BLiar is only paying lip-service to the Palestinian struggle for justice and freedom.

Neither the Tories or Labour will genuinely do anything for the Palestinian people.

Anybody heard of Iain Hook's murder by Israeli troops?

BLiar's Government helped the cover-up of his killing, so that British-Israeli relations were not damaged.

BLiar is the poodle of Sharon and Bu$h.

[br ash]

Muslims in this Country and in America are the ones that can make a difference. The only way they can make that difference is simply by involved with in the main stream parties. That is how the Zionist lobbies in the America and UK, achieved there goal in having set up the State of Israel in the first place.

Muslims can scream and shout about all the injustice regarding Palestine, nothing is going to change unless we change how we are involved in Politics, within the main stream parties.

The biggest failure is that Muslims just think voting can resolve the issue far from it.

In any political party, to have influence is in the membership of your local constituency. Therefore Muslims should in there thousand be member of there local constituencies.

Secondly attending party conference, Muslims should attend in there 10,000, simply dominate the conference.

Also and very vital, Muslims should contribute to there parties in the £Millions.

The above three can easily change any political party views, as they simply carry 80% plus INFLUENCE FACTOR.

Unfortunately Muslims, only aim at the 20% or less Influence factor with in any party, and that is voting, unfortunately that is why Muslim vote and opinion is not viewed that highly with in the hierarchy of any political party.

If the Muslim Ummah in the UK want to see a change, then they will have to concentrate on the 80%, if not they will only get left overs and hand outs, which they seem to be used to.


Salaam


Ash