Join Conservative party !

[LalaHabal]

This is a question worth asking? Muslims have been leaving Labour in Large Numvers. Most of these are going to Lib Dem but many are leaving politics and refusing to vote at all. Only very few have shown indication to move to Conservatives. Why?

My own research is that Conservatives have only too often shown signs, of racism, right wing and Islamophobic over the last four decades. Now the New Labour is competing with the Conservatives for the same. Thus Muslims are likely to turn from both of these if at all, and not towards these two Parties?

The lasty four by-Elections clearly put Conservatives in Fourth place because of the Muslim Vote. So can Imtiaz take votes from Jack in Blackburn? or should we look for an alternative?

[br ash]

I find when Muslims and Asians talk of Conservative, they say that Conservative shows signs of Racism. It is a Joke, if any one carried do detailed research, all the political parties are no different. All political parties are Racist, on the Liberal, recently a Lib Dem Muslim Dr, who built up the vote in one area, some where in Manchester. Was deselected this time. The Irony is, she has a good chance of winning the seat this time. That is not racism, that’s just politics.

The Irony is, the Pakistani/ Bangladeshi Labour voters are blind, to Labours past, the irony is Labour is worse.

Just go back to the seventies, the Virgin test, that were employed on women coming into this countries from the Asian subcontinent was not apartheid.. But when the Conservative came into power, this law was removed, But when the Conservatives in power they removed the Virginity Test, that must have been considered apartheid by the Pakistanis and Bangladeshi :D

The Conservative kicked out Encoh Powel for his comments, the irony is if any one cares to research up, every time Encoh Powel opened his big gob, Labour reacted, in a similar manner. Why you may ask? The working class would have dumped Labour, therefor the Labour Home secretary was behaving in the same way as Enoch. That was not considered racist. That was good for the Pakistani and Bangladeshi people, was it not?

The most racist laws introduced into the UK, have been ironically through the Labour party, never the Conservatives.

Lets no forget the comments made by a Labour Yorkshire MP on Pakistani brides few years back and recently, but then had it been a Conservative, then the Pakistani population would have cried racist, as it was Labour it was not racist.

Let’s not forget the treatment of the Labour Home Secretary, on the harsh treatment of Pakistani youths, in the Burnley, Bradford, and the Oldham for the riots.

Me as an individual, I would be harsh, had it been any one. NO MATTER WHAT, had it been Northern Ireland or the UK.

Labour home secretary sent and charged Pakistani/ Bangladeshi youths, very severely no matter what. One case was when a youth only picked up a stone. He did not throw it. He just picked it up. He was charged. Prison sentence.

Now when riots occur, and they do in Northern Ireland. Their the Irish youths who throw petrol bombs, at most get cautioned. That is if they get caught. Meaning in the act. Had they not been caught, the police do not go through the photographs or newsreels to find the identity, like they did in the UK when it came to Pakistanis and Bangladeshi. .

All the political parties are racist. The only way to get racism stamped out is by being a part of the political spectrum, and condemning any MEMEBR of any political party for racist comments.

By not involving and not voting, matters WILL ONLY BE MADE WORSE.

Only the inept, the fool hardy and failures and not forgeting my HT brothers and sisters would carry this attitude, that it is not worth voting.

Salaam


Ash

[outsider]

Not to be pedantic but HT doesnt say it isnt worth voting, they dont vote because they believe it is a haraam action. Quite a big difference.

Thats all. Feel free to continue ur conversation.

[TheBatman]

Ousider

Thats not correct, HT uses a two proned approach when they are debating, first they always use the 'Its not worth it, it wont work and the west will never let the Muslims influence anything' approach.

When this argument is demolished, only then do they go to their fallback position of saying its haram.

[outsider]

salaams

Without changing this debate into another HT thread, i just wanted to say that they at least have a point when they argue the West will always lok after its interests and values regardless of the Muslim vote.

Take a look if u like:

The Religious Discrimination Bill is an attempt to bribe the Muslim Community

On the 7th July 2004, in a keynote speech to the Institute of Public Policy Research, the former Home Secretary, David Blunkett announced his intention to revive plans to outlaw religious hatred. The Bill currently going through parliament is aimed at outlawing religious hatred and giving ‘protection’ to religions that have not previously been given protection. Islam has been a particular focus, with media and political pundits commenting on how the new bill, if passed, will affect the Muslim community.

On face value, the new legislation seems very appealing to the Muslim community. Only last week, Charles Moore, a journalist for a national newspaper, sought to defame the Prophet (saw) in an article that shocked the Muslim community. This article was a recent example of a growing trend in the western press attacking Islam. As a result many Muslim organisations, including government funded groups, have backed the bill calling it a ‘positive legislation’ which will allow for a ‘greater protection of Islam’ especially from newspaper journalists and right-wing extremists such as the BNP.

In order to assess the proposals and its implication upon the Muslim community, it is important that the Muslim community understands this legislation together with the statements of politicians in order to evaluate its usefulness and its motives

A chequered history

The plan to outlaw religious hatred is not a new proposal. It was initially proposed as part of the Anti-Terror legislation in 2001. At that time the government dropped this part of the legislation in the last minute concession, even though it previously gave guarantees to Muslim organisations. It was widely recognised that the government was not serious about the proposal, but rather used its inclusion to buy silence over the anti-Terror legislation. As a result the anti-terror legislation went through without a murmur and today the effects of it are for all to witness.

Against What?

When the bill was given a new lease of life by David Blunkett, some Muslim organisations firmly backed it without really understanding its reality. The bill does not act in any way to prevent attacks on Islam in the media, such as Charles Moore’s article in the Telegraph accusing the Prophet (saw) or Kilroy-Silks words of ‘wisdom’ or for that matter the hundreds of articles weekly in the national press which goes unnoticed.

According to the Home Office information site on the subject the following is stated:

Of themselves, the following would not be caught by the offence: criticising the beliefs, teachings or practices of a religion or its followers; for example by claiming that they are false or harmful.

Responding to a direct question on Radio 4’s Today programme, Home Office Minister Fiona McTaggart clearly pointed out that articles, such as Charles Moores, would not fall under the law. Blunkett also spelled it out in Parliament that it was not a bill to ‘protect beliefs’.

Hence the argument that is being promoted in Muslim circles that this law will safeguard the attack on Islam in the media is disingenuous and lacks any credible evidence, in fact the reading of the proposals and statements made by government ministers show otherwise.

So what is this bill for?

There are two motives behind this bill;

Firstly, under the banner of ‘protecting Islam’ the government wishes to buy the Muslim vote during the next election. The recent ICM poll commissioned by the Guardian showed there to be a decline in Labour support and an increased indifference in the political process. It is hoped that by throwing a few carrots on the road, the Muslim community will naively see that Labour is a party for Muslims.

Secondly, the bill has been designed to be used mainly against Muslims. The Home Office website states in relation to where the bill will be used,

In response to extremists within a faith community making repeated threatening statements stirring up followers to look for ways to make trouble for unbelievers saying that God would never ever allow unbelievers to be pleased with them and created them to be enemies.

Will this be interpreted to censor ayats in the Qur’an and hadith of the Prophet (saw)? Will it be used to muzzle those who believe that only Islam and the establishment of the Khilafah in the Muslim world is the solution to western imperialism? Blunkett, shortly before his resignation, in response to a question in parliament equated the call to establish an Islamic state ‘extremism’. He follows a chorus of world leaders and politicians who have all spoken out against the establishment of the Khilafah State.

Brothers and sisters! The religious discrimination bill is designed to bribe the Muslim community and silence Islamic political activism. It is part of a wider work instigated by western governments to secularise Islam and to continue the worthless participation in western politics.

Our community needs to rise above the cheap bribes and empty promises and begin to work to engage in political activism that is firmly based upon Islam. In the next few months, Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain will launch a campaign to address how we can truly make an impact here in the west without compromising our deen and participating in the politics of the colonialists.

[Marmeduke]

I’m going to vote for Labour and Tony Blair.


Lets face it, he is sure to emerge victorious come May.


Besides, Muslims have rarely voted as a block. The only reason most Asians traditionally voted Labour was because of it’s support for the welfare state and emphasis on social justice and Muslims (as the most marginalised group in Britain) tended to benefit from this emphasis.


Now the tiny Muslim middle classes will vote Conservative (they are the party of middle england) but most working class Muslims will continue to vote Labour and Lib Dem. Radical types will either abstain from voting or support the Islamist/Marxist RESPECT party.

[FractionMan]

I’m going to vote for Labour and Tony Blair.


Well done Marmeduke, you have single handedly done what no person on this forum has been able to do, you have simply proved how the tenacious the idiotic mindset of Muslims truly is!

:notworthy

[Marmeduke]

Well done Marmeduke, you have single handedly done what no person on this forum has been able to do, you have simply proved how the tenacious the idiotic mindset of Muslims truly is!

:notworthy



You may think me an idiot. However, I have my reasons for voting Labour.

No doubt you have your reasons for the way you think.


Lets just agree to disagree. :)

[FractionMan]

Why don't you clarify why you would vote for tony blair, and then maybe i will withdraw my comment on how i think you exemplify the idiotic mind set of Muslims

[FractionMan]

Why don't you clarify why you would vote for tony blair, and then maybe i will withdraw my comment on how i think you exemplify the idiotic mind set of some Muslims

[Marmeduke]

Why don't you clarify why you would vote for tony blair, and then maybe i will withdraw my comment on how i think you exemplify the idiotic mind set of some Muslims


I’ll vote Labour simply because they deal with issues which impact on my daily life.


Those issues include such ‘mundane’ concerns as the state of the economy (I have a mortgage and I hope that interest rates don’t go up), employment, transport (I see that Red Ken is upping the price of tickets on the tube) and crime (the streets of Ilford are really scary places anytime after 9 pm).


I would much rather vote for a mainstream party which has the most pragmatic and workable policies regarding the above than continue to harp on about irrelevant international situations like Palestine, Iraq or Kashmir as most Islamic orientated groups are so fond of. Especially as I don’t hail from these regions.

[br ash]

I’m going to vote for Labour and Tony Blair.


Lets face it, he is sure to emerge victorious come May.


Besides, Muslims have rarely voted as a block. The only reason most Asians traditionally voted Labour was because of it’s support for the welfare state and emphasis on social justice and Muslims (as the most marginalised group in Britain) tended to benefit from this emphasis.


Now the tiny Muslim middle classes will vote Conservative (they are the party of middle england) but most working class Muslims will continue to vote Labour and Lib Dem. Radical types will either abstain from voting or support the Islamist/Marxist RESPECT party.

Welfare State I doubt it.

I agree on with you on Social Justice, when Labour was last in power back in the 70's. I remember one of their social justice programmes, when the Labour introduced the Apartheid Virgin test on women from the Indian subcontinent. If you care to read up on all the other so called Social justice laws for the ethnic communities in the 70's, one would say what "Social Justice"

There is nothing wrong with voting Blair, GUANTANAMO, Wepons of Mass Deception etc etc etc.




The other day one Muslim said to me he is considering voting Labour again, solely on the grounds of incitement to religious hatred bill that is being proposed by Tony Blair.

The guy is such an idiot he could not comprehend that the incitement to religious hatred bill will not get through, because majority of the Labour MPs are against it. If it did go through it will be such a watered down version, that it would have no merit what so ever.


The irony is, there are out there, illiterate Muslims can not comprehend that the House of Lords would throw it out, and guess what, the argument of not to proceeding with the bill would be put down to not a enough time.

There is such a thing called a Red Hearing, and this is what the Incitement to Religious Hatred Bill is all about.

The way the papers said that Tony Blair was influenced by Iqbal Sacranie to present this bill. Iqbal Sacranie has weight, but not that much weight.

As they say in the west, you scratch my back, I will scratch yours.

We will not see a Bill against Incitement to Religious hatred. What we will see is as Lord Iqbal Sacranie, instead.
Salaam


Ash

[FractionMan]

I’ll vote Labour simply because they deal with issues which impact on my daily life.

Your selfishness typifies your hatred for other nationalaties, expecially pakistanis (judginf from your other posts)


I would much rather vote for a mainstream party which has the most pragmatic and workable policies regarding the above than continue to harp on about irrelevant international situations like Palestine, Iraq or Kashmir as most Islamic orientated groups are so fond of. Especially as I don’t hail from these regions.

If you had any true Muslim spirit in you, i doubt you would have uttered such words of pure ignorance. Harken the days of Jahiliyah. Just becuase you do not hail from Palestine, Iraq, Kashmir they do not matter to you???? Is your heart made of stone that you do not realise the suffering they go through becuase of YOU, yes YOU! It is your adopted country that is responsible for the mess in Palestine, for the mess in Kashmir and now for the mess in Iraq, and yet all you care about is your belly and how safe it would be after 9 in the evening.

Do you not realise that one day you have to answer to your Lord? And what will you tell him? That you didnt care because you didnt come from Iraq? As innocent women are raped in Chechnya, you don't care becuase you are not chechnyan?

To be honest my lost friend, i doubt your even human!

[PresidentWPM]

FractionMan, you're over-reacting. You asked Marmeduke to explain himself and he did. He proved exactly how you described him - exemplify the idiotic mind set - and he said it from the heart.

[TheBatman]

Aa

Marmaduke is not following islam, he is either a non Muslim pretending to be a Muslim or what can only be described as an Uncle Tom. :banghead:

Its funny that while he is thinking of issues that concern him in 'ilford', his MP is concerned with issues abroad..eg He is an ardent Zionist and the Vice Chairman of the Israeli Lobby. Which shows how half witted his comments are. By voting for his Labour MP, he is infact voting on issues 'that dont concern him'.

As for the 'streets of Ilford not being safe after 9pm' given as a reason to vote for his Labour MP, again it shows his lack of any real argument, since his LABOUR MP has been in his seat for the last 12 - 14 years - HOW BLOODY LONG DOES HE NEED TO CLEAN THE STREETS UP!

Do you have other REAL arguments for voting Labour? Muslim in this coming election are becoming increasingly politicised thanks to a major campaign by MPACUK in the area. As MPACUK and other active individuals wake the Muslims up, people like you will soon have to juystify your pointless existance.

If you knew the way the trend Muslims were voting in it might help also : http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/2/228/26/

[br ash]

Aa

Marmaduke is not following islam, he is either a non Muslim pretending to be a Muslim or what can only be described as an Uncle Tom. :banghead:

Its funny that while he is thinking of issues that concern him in 'ilford', his MP is concerned with issues abroad..eg He is an ardent Zionist and the Vice Chairman of the Israeli Lobby. Which shows how half witted his comments are. By voting for his Labour MP, he is infact voting on issues 'that dont concern him'.

As for the 'streets of Ilford not being safe after 9pm' given as a reason to vote for his Labour MP, again it shows his lack of any real argument, since his LABOUR MP has been in his seat for the last 12 - 14 years - HOW BLOODY LONG DOES HE NEED TO CLEAN THE STREETS UP!

Do you have other REAL arguments for voting Labour? Muslim in this coming election are becoming increasingly politicised thanks to a major campaign by MPACUK in the area. As MPACUK and other active individuals wake the Muslims up, people like you will soon have to juystify your pointless existance.

If you knew the way the trend Muslims were voting in it might help also : http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/2/228/26/

I personally believe that Marmaduke is most likly is an Hindu. Simply on the grounds of his entire arguments are illogical. I know of many Bengali Muslims, i understand there anger against Pakistan, and what happened. Saying that many of them do not like India either:D, despite the trade that goes on between India and Bangladesh.

Marmaduke if he is a Bengali, he is of the racist category. With an IQ capacity of -2000.



Salaam


Ash

[Marmeduke]

I’ve explained myself as I see fit. Whether any of you politicised fringe idiots understand the concerns of ordinary Muslims such as myself is irrelevent.


Piece of advice….most ordinary Muslims have similar concerns….


You pretend to care about the woes of fellow Muslims in Kashmir, Iraq and Palestine out of some allegiance to a political fad, student Islamic politics. However, a student of history will tell you that these are geo-political problems of which religion forms only a part, rather than the whole. At it’s root, you’ll find some idiot trying to profit economically or politically from causing hatred between different faiths.The religious Islamic nationalism you exhibit (while some of you pretend to hide your Pakistani nationalism) is itself an innovation. Rest assured that most ppl see through it.


Whether you MPACer activist types post 700 or 7000 flyers, come May 5th, I am very confident that the sitting MP in my constituency will be returned with a huge majority. :)

[Marmeduke]

I personally believe that Marmaduke is most likly is an Hindu. Simply on the grounds of his entire arguments are illogical. I know of many Bengali Muslims, i understand there anger against Pakistan, and what happened. Saying that many of them do not like India either:D, despite the trade that goes on between India and Bangladesh.

Marmaduke if he is a Bengali, he is of the racist category. With an IQ capacity of -2000.



Salaam


Ash


Yup, it takes a Pakistani to understand a Bangali!!! :D lolz


And yes, I'm a Hindu, Zionist spy, racist etc...lolz. If this is how you react to those who do not hold your views (and most Muslims don't)....then it says a lot about activist types in general and MPACers in particular. Nuthin I didn't know.

[TheBatman]

Yup, it takes a Pakistani to understand a Bangali!!! :D lolz

And yes, I'm a Hindu, Zionist spy, racist etc...lolz. If this is how you react to those who do not hold your views (and most Muslims don't)....then it says a lot about activist types in general and MPACers in particular. Nuthin I didn't know.

I disagree, I think your type ofMuslim is on the verge of extinction. Its irrelevant if your Zionist MP comes back into power, Jihad wins and loses one battle at a time. Whats facinating is that Muslims are waking up and fighting this Jihad despite morons like you.

I will let Allah decide who He chooses as victor in the next election, if it be Gapes, then we will fight him again in the elections after that until we defeat him - The army ofallah doesnot seperate after defeat, but re-groups and fights on. Why dont you walk the walk and campaign outside the mosque on his behalf..if you are so confident the Muslims love him? (My guess is even a Bengali racist like you know in your heart of hearts) you and master gape's days are numbered.

[Marmeduke]

Whatever dude…..


Pakistani nationalists dressed up as ‘concerned Muslims’ campaigning in Ilford aren’t gonna change the minds of the large Gujerati majority in Ilford…..


If you think I’m a Kaffir or Murtad, then that’s your bloody problem. I couldn’t be bothered in the least. :)

[TheBatman]

Dodging the question are we ! ....scared of backing up your own claims???

Well you said the vast majority of muslims thought like you, well see you outside the mosques telling muslims to vote for gapes lets see how far you get. Whats wrong not so sure anymore?

As for fishing for information about the ilford campaing .....give it up. You aint getting none. Just tell Gapes ...his days are numbered. :nono:

[Marmeduke]

[QUOTE=TheBatman]

Well you said the vast majority of muslims thought like you, well see you outside the mosques telling muslims to vote for gapes lets see how far you get. Whats wrong not so sure anymore?

QUOTE]


lolz

Desperate.

My local MP is odds-on favourite. No need for me to dirty my hands by campaigning etc. Perhaps if the race were closer…..


While you guys are traipsing around Ilford, you might want to ask how many Muslims have heard of M****. (forgive the vulgarity). :D:D

[LocalGenius]

While you guys are traipsing around Ilford, you might want to ask how many Muslims have heard of M****. (forgive the vulgarity).


hahahahahaha

This guy is getting cussed. and has resorted to swear words... mmm reminds me of someone.. (my little sister on her hormones). You a girl Marmeduke.. sorry thats an insult to all the sisters in this forum.

no one is laughing with you man they are laughin at you.. Man you are going down dog lolz@mamerfuke... whatever hehehehehhahahhahhahahhahaoohohoohohoho

[TheBatman]

lolz, Desperate.

My local MP is odds-on favourite. No need for me to dirty my hands by campaigning etc. Perhaps if the race were closer…..

While you guys are traipsing around Ilford, you might want to ask how many Muslims have heard of M****. (forgive the vulgarity). :D:D

Classic ! me thinks this guy is finally losing it, :D well if your master is going to 'dirty his hands' it would be rude for the chaa walaa to sit at home :rolleyes:

If you really think the Muslims are backing gapes, either put up or shut up, see you outside the mosque you brain dead half breed (halfman, half chimp). Lets see how well your gapes leaflets go down lol !!!

Lads he thought he was sooo clever, me thinks he is not a Muslim, so dont let him fool you by trying to cause a split with theBangladshi community, this is Gapes's boy, no doubt from thr Labour party. He is a snake and isnt here for any other reason then to stake out the opposition.

Listen chaa walaa, tell Gapes that he can send all the spies in the world here, we are still gonna get him!

See you and your so called Muslim majority supporters outside the mosque !

[Huthaifah]

Edit your foul language

[LocalGenius]

i still love bengalis

[Ali-Gation]

JOIN CONSERVATIVE PARTY <http://www.conservatives.com>

:help:

What I can't seem to understand is why the muslim majority is not with the conservatives, in reality Muslim values agree with conservative politics, in terms of family values, and economics principles( tax)

conservatives will be in power if not in 2005,then by 2009

Obviously the belief or impression is that conservatives are racist, well it isn't as if Labout isn't .. Put too much faith in the left, and you will be left with constant attack from the right wing , and the left becoming more weary of being seen as muslim supporters. You have to be in the party to make any chage. it is time to join.

If conservatives win now, the chairman (lord sattchie) , the leader ( Howard) and Letwin ( shadow chancellor) will be Jewish. Now when can Muslims establish that level of leadership ..

Time to join conservative !

It only costs £3 to join for those under 22, and £15 for over
https://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=involved.join.page

:swordfigh STOP TALKING START ACTING- POLITICAL JIHAD

[Ali-Gation]

British Asian Conservative Link : http://www.bacl.net/index.htm

Our AIMS & OBJECTIVES

• To increase political awareness among Asians
• To encourage Asians for their involvement in the Conservative Party
• To help and guide aspiring Tory Asian candidates to get elected into
• To act as a link between the Asian community and Conservative Party
• To raise funds for the Conservative Party

It is run by prodominantly Sikhs, and it's leadership is weak .. someone needs to get involved to change things

If you are serious about becoming a potential tory candidate, and are between 16-30 , then an organisation to get involved with is Young British Foundation. http://www.ybf.org.uk

The Young Britons' Foundation holds an annual Activist Training Conference and regular training days, providing a broad range of training (including media skills, interview technique, public speaking, image presentation, modern political campaigning, and the historical and academic foundations of conservatism and classical liberalism).

Conservative-inclined activists aged from 16 to 30 are encouraged to apply to train with at one of our Training Conferences, and then at personally-tailored training days offering advanced training to smaller groups.<http://www.ybf.org.uk/training.asp>


The Young Britons' Foundation operates a Job Bank for students and graduates, whereby young people can be matched with and apply for work experience and employment opportunities in the offices of MPs, MEPs, AMs, MSPs, MLAs and Peers, as well as journalists and many other public figures.
http://www.ybf.org.uk/jobbank.asp


also Conservative Futures is a group for young conservatives and also provides avenue for potential candidates http://www.conservativefuture.com/
East London Conservative futures: http://fp.darylwilliams.plus.com/londoneast.htm
also look at : http://cf.andrewalker.com/
:chairshot
GET INVOLVED - MAKE A DIFFERENCE

:aargh: :aargh:

[Ali-Gation]

So What do you get for £3?

# One member, one vote in the election of the Leader of the Party
# Elect Representation on the Party's governing Board
# A vote in the selection of candidates for the parliamentary, local and j
European elections
# A vote in local Constituency Associations elections
# A magazine "Heartland" published regularly to keep you informed of policy initiatives and special offers for Party members
# Direct influence in the development of party policy

Then it's up to you to take whatever you want to do - get involved in local politics, help the local MP , offer assiatance to central office, apply for research positions etc or even try to get elected. But if you don't want to be too active now, £3 still gives you some power in choosing the direction of the party. Stop complaining and do something about it. Its Only £3 for goodness sake !


:argue:
It will be the best £3 you'll ever spend !

Follow the link and join online, https://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=involved.join.page


:aargh: TIME TO STANDUP AND BE COUNTED :aargh:

[br ash]

I agree with you 100%.

Been saying it for a long time, CONSERVATIVES WILL BE IN POWER within the next 5 Years.

The Zionist, the Hindus, etc are all planting there seeds for the future harvest.

Only fools try to plant seeds when crop is ready to harvest. :D:D:D Which is the brain set of the majority of the Muslim leadership in UK.



Salaam



Ash

[Ali-Gation]

I agree with you 100%.

ash u a member ?
Oh please stop agreeing with me, and start acting !!!


Now I'm a member, Who else has joined ?

[br ash]

ash u a member ?
Oh please stop agreeing with me, and start acting !!!


Now I'm a member, Who else has joined ?

I can only agree because i am Conservative :D

Been an ACTIVE MEMBER for MANY MANY MANY YEARS. Therefore its impossible for me to start acting:D:D:D



Salaam


Ash

[Khalid Bin I]

A Labour boy here mate, Conservatives are a bunch of losers, Down with Thatcher rofl

[Ali-Gation]

:bigpuke: Khalid Bin I A Labour boy here mate, Conservatives are a bunch of losers, Down with Thatcher rofl

What the hell you on about ?
Down with thatcher? wht are you supposed to represent? New labours public private partnership? Labour hasn't defeated thatcherism - it has simply asked its member to accpet it and moved on the policy - foundation hospitals, university fees ..

Realistically New Labour isn't far from the conservatives .. What you voted for 4 years ago isn't what it is Now! it is actually identical to tory policy 4 years ago and a bit more to the right.

Socialism is dead. New Labour killed it. New Labour is Tory Lite.

Common false perseption of Tory being racist is wrong, you have to join them to change the perceptions. Maybe you yourself consider yourself to be an outsider therefore unable to idntify with the right, well for how long you going to think that way. Left is uneasy about being seen as supportive of muslims, and new labour has clearly made itself clear, appealing to national socialist.

As a muslims you should question policies and will find thad tory is more appealing, is terms of common conservative family values , anti homosexul promotion, Income tax cuts. Tories can also be compassionnate.

Join Conservative to the right or Liberal Democrats to the Left, Labour has left its footing. Centrist party has no ideals.

:rolleyes: Misplaced trust and loyalty hasn't quite paid of has it? You My friend are stupid, voting blindly.

Conservative might not be perfect but greater participation of muslims has to be instigated to establish some power.

I suggest you join : https://www.conservatives.com/tile....olved.join.page :firing: JOIN OR DIE ! :rocket:

[Khalid Bin I]

Hey :mad: ,

You My friend are stupid, voting blindly.

if you want to have a discussion, speak with manners, apologise now

[Ali-Gation]

:p if you want to have a discussion, speak with manners, apologise now

1) I dont want a discussion on Labour, theirs another thread exist for that, this thread is for those intreasted in tory and how to become active.

2) apologise - I have no intentions to since I do believe that you are voting blindly. I don't apologise if I dont feel sorry. It is up to you to rufute why ur not stupid and why im wrong .
:dunce:

[LocalGenius]

ok conservative .. mm i dont trust those buggers. They say one thing and might come up and do another. I mean they are saying this and that on the criminal laws and immigration laws. But how do we know that we can trust them.. I guess that come with everyparty

Im voting the libs .. not hizbz

[barodate]

Wasnt it Thatcher that called Nelson Mandella a terrorist????????

[sunilight]

margeret thatcher...

i really really dislike her

[Khalid Bin I]

:p

1) I dont want a discussion on Labour, theirs another thread exist for that, this thread is for those intreasted in tory and how to become active.

2) apologise - I have no intentions to since I do believe that you are voting blindly. I don't apologise if I dont feel sorry. It is up to you to rufute why ur not stupid and why im wrong .
:dunce:

One of the Mods ask him to apologise, or il kick him out myself by launching a campaign against :p.

Ok now this is a major problem.

This is indeed causing divisions. We should not go for a party but an MP that can best represent the Muslims in your community. Mine is Labour, so that is why I am voting for them, Im voting blindly? Well far from it mate, your the one who is blind to see that you are causing divisons, by coming here and telling the Muslims to vote for one specific party, who's members differ just like Labour and Lib Dems,

You get my point?

Vote for a part that can best represent you, this is what MPACUK is saying aswell.

[UmmZakariya]

Ali-Gation no personal insults pls! you have been warned. Appreciate the fact that your Muslim brother is as active and passionate as you are, insulting him achieves nothing.

Khalid:The point is you are both politically active that is what matters. Indeed we just want the concerns of Muslims to be represented and it is up to the Muslims to ensure this.

[br ash]

Ali-Gation no personal insults pls! you have been warned. Appreciate the fact that your Muslim brother is as active and passionate as you are, insulting him achieves nothing.

Khalid:The point is you are both politically active that is what matters. Indeed we just want the concerns of Muslims to be represented and it is up to the Muslims to ensure this.

Salaam Sister, long time no hear?

Hope you been keeping fine.

Khalid Bin I

Labour sent to prison Muslims kids for just picking up stones in the Bradford riots, whilst in Northern Ireland, despite having photographs of youths throwing petrol bombs, they get cautioned. The police there do not go to the nth degree in chasing any youth caught on photographs, as they did in getting hold of Muslim youth in Bradford and Burnley.

That alone makes Labour Million times worse than Conservatives.

Yes Margaret Thatcher may have called Nelson Manuela terrorists, but Blair invaded Iraq, with no justification. We are talking about the Present not the distance past.


The Hindu lobby made a statement many years ago to the Conservatives, they said Muslim vote is a waste of time, no matter what you say or do, they end up voting for Labour. This same point was presented as joke number of years back by the Hindu lobby in the Conservative party, fearing that Conservative would start considering the Muslim agenda. Ironically many off the extreme right wing Zionist columnists, in the UK media, are so concerned that even they have been knocking down the Conservative party for making to so much dialogue with the Muslim community.

People are welcome to call Conservative losers, Muslims will be the BIGGEST LOSERS in 5- 6 years time, if they do not invest in the Conservative Party, If that is what you want Khalid Bin , May Allah grant you your wish.


Salaam


Ash

[LocalGenius]

Labour sent to prison Muslims kids for just picking up stones in the Bradford riots, whilst in Northern Ireland, despite having photographs of youths throwing petrol bombs, they get cautioned. The police there do not go to the nth degree in chasing any youth caught on photographs, as they did in getting hold of Muslim youth in Bradford and Burnley.

you think tories wouldnt have done te same??

[Khalid Bin I]

My friend went to Prison for that, I live up here so I know what happened, end of the day the Brother went to Prison and, I kept in touch with him via letters, and it made him rethink about everything. But is this your best example of not to vote for labour up in my area? Who best represent the Muslim community, more than Conservatices?

[br ash]

you think tories wouldnt have done te same??


There is that possiblility, but is Doubt it, you have to rememebr the Toxteth Riots, ironically there are lot of similarites between the two. Number of Conservative MPs did bring that out, but they were areticalyt rubbished by the Labour. Proberbly explains why Labour did not invest any additional money in the areas, afflicted by the riots.

If you care to remember after the Toxteth Riots Conservatives invested a large amount of money. to help regenerate, they understood what the casue of problems were. Ironocally nummber Labour MPs made a number of comments which if memory is correct the Daily Mail, labeled the comments as racist, if memory is correct the MP in question was Ann Cryer.:D

I think she said Asian youth gangs are lawless and out of control compared to white youths:D


Even Shahid said she was bonkers :D

Put it this way the blame was on Asian youth,at the end of the day, guess what the Asian leaders were asked to rain in there youths.

You are right Labour acted totally opposite to when the Conservatives were in power: D, where the Conservatives admitted the mistakes and rectified the issue, Labour have not.



Salaam


ash

[br ash]

My friend went to Prison for that, I live up here so I know what happened, end of the day the Brother went to Prison and, I kept in touch with him via letters, and it made him rethink about everything. But is this your best example of not to vote for labour up in my area? Who best represent the Muslim community, more than Conservatices?

I am not saying who represents in your area, only you would know, through local politics in the area.

What i and others are saying is that we have to invest in the Conservative party, if we are concerned about are future. That is all.

You have to make the decision on what is right for you.

What i say to you, is not to blindly harper on about Labour, in the way you do.

In 1997, the Rabbi Sach gave a subtle, yes to New Labour. The then Archbishop of Canterbury also gave a subtle yes to New Labour.

Already Jewish communities are starting to give subtle yes to Conservatives, the Same applies to the Hindu community.

Ironically the Muslims are blind as usual. The Muslim Ummah in the UK, is only after scarps, probelrby explains why we get them.

Salaam

Ash

[Khalid Bin I]

Well let me make my point clear, Mr Ash. We Muslims should join ALL PARTIES, not just one, I am speaking for my area, as Labour can best represent the Muslims up here.

There is not a single Party which can best represent the party fully (Out of the 3 main ones), to say Conservatives are the only Party, well go hang yourself or shoot your head off, because your living in a dream world.

I do not harper on about Labour, All I am saying is for Muslims to vote for Parties which can best represent them in their local area not NATIONALLY.

Is my point clear?

[br ash]

Well let me make my point clear, Mr Ash. We Muslims should join ALL PARTIES, not just one, I am speaking for my area, as Labour can best represent the Muslims up here.

There is not a single Party which can best represent the party fully (Out of the 3 main ones), to say Conservatives are the only Party, well go hang yourself or shoot your head off, because your living in a dream world.

I do not harper on about Labour, All I am saying is for Muslims to vote for Parties which can best represent them in their local area not NATIONALLY.

Is my point clear?

Never and never implied that we should join one party. If you implying that, that shows your attitude.


If care to read carefully i said only you can decide what is the right party for you. Now if you can not read, that is your problem.

Going by your missives, one can only conclude that you have indeed been harping on about Labour, and nothing else.:D

There is nothing locally that any party offers, and that applies to all parties.

Most of the problems that we Muslims face, are of National and International issues, what is local issue, that local council can not handle. . If Muslims want scraps, they go after local issues, and that is what they get. Jewish lobby and the Hindu lobby go after national issues, and that is what they get. Another way of putting it, Muslims get the scraps or there left overs, if that is what you want, so be it.


I have always said, and will always say there are two parties that Muslims have to influence, one is Labour and the other Conservatives. Anything else is a waste of time, apart from electing Galloway, we all owe him that, simply because he put his career on the line for us.

The issue now, is next 5 years. Its you choice on who you vote. I understand why the Jewish and Hindu lobby are getting stronger day by day, Muslim end with nothing other than scraps. If you wants scraps, go after local issues, that is what Muslims get, but then Muslims winge, as to why they only get scraps.

Salaam


Ash

[Khalid Bin I]

from the message that I previously replied to that was the message I was getting out from you, but hehe I can read and spot your spelling mistakes:

Its you choice on who you vote

Its your choice on who you vote

Which does prove I can read ;),

Regarding harping, never was my intention to big up labour apart from where I live. Labour up here have done so much for us, and its about time people from here join them and keep it that way.

Most of the problems that we Muslims face, are of National and International issues, what is local issue, that local council can not handle. . If Muslims want scraps, they go after local issues, and that is what they get. Jewish lobby and the Hindu lobby go after national issues, and that is what they get. Another way of putting it, Muslims get the scraps or there left overs, if that is what you want, so be it.

I agree with you on this, but you will most defiantly need to have the balance.

[Ali-Gation]

The fact with Labour thinks ethnic vote is guaranteed, it takes it's ethnic votre for granted, in not listning to their concerns, in not promoting individuals and doing what ever it pleases. Whilst Conservatives feel muslim vote is not there to be won, so pays no attention to the concerns.



NOW WHO ELSE IS POLITICALLY ACTIVE ?

I hope some of you actually join the Conservative party ! all those pople just browsing this thread and not bothering to become active in anyway, just go kill yourself ! seroiusly because tomorrow might be the end.

[br ash]

from the message that I previously replied to that was the message I was getting out from you, but hehe I can read and spot your spelling mistakes:





Which does prove I can read ;),

Regarding harping, never was my intention to big up labour apart from where I live. Labour up here have done so much for us, and its about time people from here join them and keep it that way.



I agree with you on this, but you will most defiantly need to have the balance.

If you could not spot my spelling and grammatical errors, I would say shame on you :D, you have defiantly proven that you can read. But you still demonstrate a lack political maturity.


I appreciate your comment never was my intention to big up labour apart from where I live. Labour up here have done so much for us, and its about time people from here join them and keep it that way.

By looking at majority of you posts, they seem harp on about Labour. That is all they do, I am willing to consider that you have no attention on harping on about Labour, despite all your missives pointing to harping on about Labour.

I am the first to say there is no such thing as the perfect political party.

8-10 years ago, I saw the threat of taxation of pension funds from the Conservative, either direct or indirect. I criticised the Conservatives, within the party, so did many of the members of the Conservative party. They were too scared to incorporate them.

Labour comes into power, they now raise via stealth over £5Billion a year from the pension funds, the impact that has had on peoples retirement is such that it knocks of £75,000 in fund value, for a very large number of individuals.

Labour did something that the Conservatives were two scared to.

Look at the Privatisation of the NHS. Conservatives idea, to scared to implement it, it would have been a vote loser within its membership, large number of party members are over 65 years of age.

Labour has done far more then even what the Conservatives would have done in Privatisation of the NHS that is fact. Probably one of the few National political issues that I agrees with Blair, the Privatisation of the NHS.

What is see from the Labour think tanks, in the next five years, Blair, is going to go even further on setting the foundation in full in the privatisation of a number of services within the NHS.

Me as individual, i am political, i am also critical of my own party.

Unfortunately many Muslims, particularly Pakistani and Bangladeshi do anything to justify still voting for Labour.

If the Muslim vote TACTICALLY, in this election, by voting another party other than Labour, hopefully Conservative. THEN AND ONLY THEN WOULD THE Muslim vote would be a considered A serious vote. Labour would then, go out far to recapture it, if that meant having higher number of Muslims in the Houses of Lord, and selecting large number of Muslims for the following election, in safe seats. Far more GOOD would come from it.

The question is what do Muslims want, the scraps that Labour are offering, or the POWER with the ability to influence.

This is election is going to either show maturity or the lack of maturity of the Muslim vote. Going by your missives you prefer the former, all you are after is scraps.

Salaam

Ash

[Khalid Bin I]

Just reading this thread, I can say that you really make me sick, first of all learn some manners, then learn to respect those who do not agree with you and then go about blabbing on about how great Conservatives are for Muslims.

For those who are reading my post, please think carefully as to who who vote for, if the candidate is a Lib Dem, Labour or Conservative who can best represent you then please vote for them.

Il leave it at this, while you do learn some manners to speak to fellow Muslims. :)

[UmmZakariya]

Brother Ash im disappointed at you Khalid does not in any way deserve the contempt with which you are treating him. Please cease your offensive and belittling posts. Youre just picking a fight for no reason. You both agree with the political jihad, how about you look at the bigger picture and argue with those on this forum that keep banging on about how voting is haram.

Khalid i totally agree with your points about tactical voting.

[Ali-Gation]

:aargh: :aargh: :aargh: I AGREE COMPLETLY:
If the Muslim vote TACTICALLY, in this election, by voting another party other than Labour, hopefully Conservative. THEN AND ONLY THEN WOULD THE Muslim vote would be a considered A serious vote. Labour would then, go out far to recapture it, if that meant having higher number of Muslims in the Houses of Lord, and selecting large number of Muslims for the following election, in safe seats. Far more GOOD would come from it.

Furthermore: The key is to demonstrate to the other parties muslims vote is there to be won.

[br ash]

First of all i am not picking fight.

Neither is my intention to make Khailid sick.

The most important issue hear is, to make the Muslim Vote, strategic, and powerful.

Thinking about is, and trying to understand Khaild point of view, I conclude that I am indeed wrong, I do apologies to Khalid. I am mistaken, because of my lack political understanding

Lets look at Br Khalid, viewpoint, he says vote local issues, voting on those basis is a fair comment. In that case, Galloway should not be elected, in London, with out a question of doubt, Onna King has done a lot more for her constituents, if the Muslim vote, goes her way, it is slightly looking that way currently, then Muslims who vote for Ooona King, have done the right thing for the Muslim Ummah in the UK. (That is if one has to go by the logic that Br Khalid is contemplating)


On the same bias, people on this forum, should not gave Muslims in Blackburn too much a hard time, when they elect Straw again.:D Because they elected the politician because of local issue, and not national and international issue, any one who criticise the Muslims in Blackburn is a hypercritic or what?

All I can say to Straw, business as usual, you might as well invaded Iran: D, you do not have to waite untill after the elections to change your mind, you can say it now.

I am also sick by the manipulated data, some individual post, for example, Sarwar criticising Howard on the incitement to religious hatred

I am for the incitement to religious hatred bill. Ironically they’re more Labour MPs against this bill than for it. Therefore it is a loser. That is a fact. Any one small understanding of politics would understand that.

But then we have individual like Sarwar, using just to show, Blair, I am Blair boy. If that bill meant one iota to Sarwar, and Labour Muslim community, they would be putting pressure on Blair, to make sure that this gets through, the best way to do this would be by criticising there fellow Labour MPs. That is where the bill going to fail. Nothing to do with either the Conservative or Lib Dems. It failed last time on this issue. By the way, it was labour activist that were behind Mr Been to criticise the incitement to religious hatred bill., few months back. Now that makes me sick.

Sarwar if he had one ounce of decency he would condemn the Labour MPs, and a large number of the present cabinet who are against the incitement to religious hatred bill . But then Muslim like Sarwar, are quite as a mouse.

What we see is nothing than LABOUR MUSLIMS, MISLEADING THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY, to Believe that Labour are going to introduce a bill, when a majority of Labour MPs, do not even sport the incitement to religious hatred, that is indeed hypocrisy. As usual Labour Muslim activist are leading Muslims voter up the garden path. But that does not make anyone sick.

Now that makes me sick. But then that is what politics is all about.

I want Muslim vote to be strategic, i am not concerned about Labour, Lib or Conservative. I want these political parties to take Muslims seriously. That is my view point. The Only way that is going to change, is by change, and not doing what has been done in the past.

There is a saying that the truth hurts, my intention are never make individual sick, but I find it fascinating of the misleading post that they use to harper on about, Labour (which are in fact Labour lies), but then, these do not make any one sick, do they. :D


Please accept my apologies if i have annoyed or made any one sick with this missive, that is not my intention, and never has been. Lets just a have a HONEST political debate, that is all I am for.

Salaam


Ash

[Ali-Gation]

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
ASH FOR PRESIDENT

[Ali-Gation]

Muslims must not become enemies of Conservative, otherwise conservatives will become the equivelent of the US Republican !

Howard - leader , Letwin-shadow Chancellor and Lord Sattchi- Chairman are all jewish. When ca muslims establish that level of leadership. They have enough to take over the whole cabinet.

If muslims just sleep they will takeover the party and do as they wish!

Conservative thinking- family values and economic values agree with muslims!

"keep your friends close, keep your enemies even closer"

Once Howard goes i.e. after May 05, Muslims must be look towards tory - david davis is likly to step up

JOIN CONSERVATIVEL NOW - before its too late

[nishath_786]

The Tories and the Lib dems are unanimous in their disapproval of the Religous Discrimination Bill. It was intro'd by the Labour party and will carry. Don't worry about that ;)

Labour have also allowed Islamic mortgages, Islamic schools, made it easier for Muslims in teh workplace.

What have the Tories done? Select a few candidates in unwinnable seats?

The labour party has always represented Muslims. Always will. The only problem is the right wing element in the party like Blair :grumble: and Clarke. Pressure is building WITHIN the party to make things better for a group of people that vote for labour (using past elections as a guide) by 70%. The War destroyed that tradition, sadly. (BTW I am against war, it's just sad that Muslims turned away from the party). It is also worth remembering that the war vote was only carried with the help of the Tories.

And we don't owe Galloway a thing... he has used Muslims for his own personal ends. I trust him as little as I trust Bush!

[br ash]

The Tories and the Lib dems are unanimous in their disapproval of the Religous Discrimination Bill. It was intro'd by the Labour party and will carry. Don't worry about that

Labour have also allowed Islamic mortgages, Islamic schools, made it easier for Muslims in teh workplace.

What have the Tories done? Select a few candidates in unwinnable seats?

The labour party has always represented Muslims. Always will. The only problem is the right wing element in the party like Blair and Clarke. Pressure is building WITHIN the party to make things better for a group of people that vote for labour (using past elections as a guide) by 70%. The War destroyed that tradition, sadly. (BTW I am against war, it's just sad that Muslims turned away from the party). It is also worth remembering that the war vote was only carried with the help of the Tories.

And we don't owe Galloway a thing... he has used Muslims for his own personal ends. I trust him as little as I trust Bush!


Islamic mortgages are nothing to do with Labour, all they have done is allowed changes in Stamp duty, so that you do not get clobbered twice. Ironically the Conservative would have done the same, simply to encourage house purchase, because it keeps the economy afloat. That is all. Saying that despite all the hype that is made about Islamic Mortgage, more Muslims prefer despite knowing the availability of Islamic mortgages. Simply because Islamic mortgages are more expensive. Hopefully that will change as the market changes.

Islamic Schools, yes, how many.:?

Conservative proposition is that every parent gets a voucher, they can then decide to which school they want to send there children to. Which is far easier and simpler and better for Muslims than having to beg at each election, to be thrown scraps, if any:D. Your proposition is for Muslims to behave like Labour Lemmings:D


Incitement to Religious Hatred.

Its not going carry, too many Labour MPs are against the Incitement to Religious Hatred bill, its a none starter, unfortunately, I would like to agree with you. Its going to be a none starter because Labour MPs are going to throw it out.

Look at the current situation regarding house arrest, Conservative and the Libs can not do anything about it, it needs the rebels within Labour. If they do not have it draconian laws can be implemented in the UK, with out any justification, and that is you lovey dovey Blair.

More Labour MPs are against it than for it, the incitement to religious hatred bill.


Galloway

Galloway used Muslims for his own ends, yes he was elected by a majority of Muslims in Scotland:D or was he elected by a majority of None Muslims. We all know the answer, none Muslims, yet again on Labour Muslim would want to lie and deceive and lead Muslims up the garden path., would say what you have said.

There is ONLY ONE POLITICIAN that went to Nth degree against the war, people like Sarwar, and Khalid Mahmood, were wearing churia (bangles) and making chapaties at home. They did not have one ounce of integrity to deify Blair, day in day out.

Again it shows your naivety and lack of understanding in what you say, you talk like a typical Labour Muslim Demonstrating no IQ.:D


Salaam

Ash

[nishath_786]

Islamic Schools?? There are loads!! I have personally worked with at least 3 in the London area and have been told about several more. Of these, two were state funded.

A voucher?? Education for all! That'll be really fair won't it?! A voucher for a school! Then vouchers for hospitals, I suppose. Don't you think certain schools will get a bit inundated?

Religous discrimination will pass. The party are leaning on their rebels. It is supported by most of the bigshots in the Party. If they managed to carry the war vote, I'll bet they manage to pass this one. Fair play to them for recognising that the law needsw changing too, btw.

Protections against religous hate crime? How about that? Biggest donors to Palestinian Authority? Foreign Office Hajj Service? I suppose being a Labour Apparatchik is hard... but, bro, you're a Tory and they have done NOTHINg for Muslims and NEVER will. What was that about IQ?? :p

Did Galloway go to the Nth degree for Muslims in Kosovo? No he didn't. He was against intervention. He is on record as supporting the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. By Soviet Communists. (please see other thread I started on this, can't be bothered talking about him here) :mad:

What exactly, have the Tories EVER done for Muslims? Go on, please enlighten me! ;)

Almost every single piece of legislation regarding equalities has been passed by Labour Governments... including recently the one requiring workplaces not to discriminate according to religous belief.

[br ash]

Islamic Schools?? There are loads!! I have personally worked with at least 3 in the London area and have been told about several more. Of these, two were state funded.

A voucher?? Education for all! That'll be really fair won't it?! A voucher for a school! Then vouchers for hospitals, I suppose. Don't you think certain schools will get a bit inundated?

Religous discrimination will pass. The party are leaning on their rebels. It is supported by most of the bigshots in the Party. If they managed to carry the war vote, I'll bet they manage to pass this one. Fair play to them for recognising that the law needsw changing too, btw.

Protections against religous hate crime? How about that? Biggest donors to Palestinian Authority? Foreign Office Hajj Service? I suppose being a Labour Apparatchik is hard... but, bro, you're a Tory and they have done NOTHINg for Muslims and NEVER will. What was that about IQ??

Did Galloway go to the Nth degree for Muslims in Kosovo? No he didn't. He was against intervention. He is on record as supporting the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. By Soviet Communists. (please see other thread I started on this, can't be bothered talking about him here)

What exactly, have the Tories EVER done for Muslims? Go on, please enlighten me!

Almost every single piece of legislation regarding equalities has been passed by Labour Governments... including recently the one requiring workplaces not to discriminate according to religous belief.

Religous discrimination will pass. The party are leaning on their rebels When after the ellection? Shows your lack of understanding, like when they rejected when it was first presented:D


When you say loads, are these funded by the government.

Put it this way, Islamic schools existed when the Conservative were in power, that means nothing. The issue is funding. Please quote the correct number of funded Schools, that is the issue.

The issue is education, the voucher system will remove all forms of discrimination.



Salaam


Ash

[br ash]

[QUOTE=nishath_786]



You want to talk about health, Blair has started the process of the Privatisation the NHS, you do not know what you are talking about. :D

Is this the type of lies you spill out to people? Shame on you.

The issue is not that of Tory party or Labour party doing anything for Muslims. Muslims will have to do it for them selves.

When a party does something for you, you become there Lemmings, when you establish it your self by political involvement, then you are it.

Everything that you have said, have been the odd scrap that the Muslims have been provide, so that they beg and there master then throws a few more scrapes, Labour strategy of dealing with Muslims.

Regarding Haj, give credit where it is due, yes they did introduce its something that would have happened, it was something that was already discussed, even when the conservatives were in power. The reason was by sending delegation, any problems occurred would be easily rectified. Normally this would fall into the hands of Embassy in Saudi Arabia, in the Capital. It was all to do with the problems that might occur. Its nothing to do with Labour helping Muslims, far from it, it was more cost efficient having delegation, than solving through channels in Saudi Arabia.

Saying that I do salute the Foreign office on this issue, and Robin Cook. Because of the horror stories that occurred in 1998 and 1999 how badly number British Muslim were handled, but then you being Labour would not blame that on Labour, but on our embassy abroad.:D



Blair, in Kosov, was nothing other than in helping out his mate Clinton, becasue his mate Clinton had a habbit of dropping his trouser in the wrong place:D If you care to read the Media, it was the Media the ignited the the public opinion, which then with the most important ingredient, Clinton trouser set the stage. It was nothing to do with the Muslims at all.





Salaam


Ash

[UmmZakariya]

well this is really a win-win situation for MPACUK (you are both politically active alhamdulilah) but can you pls keep this debate respectful. Thanks UZ

[nishath_786]

Brash - We have different opinions, yet every time you reply to my posts you're always dissing me. You know what? You support a party that has Michael Howard as a leader. Tony Blair is not (by far) someone that I'd like as my leader, but at least he is not a Zionist scumbag that loves Golda 'No such thing as a Palestinian People' Meir. Your party has done NOTHING for Muslims. Keep voting Tory, maybe one day in the distant future they might accept you, you sell-out! :mad:

Islamia is the most famous example of a STATE FUNDED MUSLIM SCHOOL. Opposed by the Tories, of course. Well done. Keep voting Tory.

Health Service? I was opposed to PFi. Still am. But waiting lists under Tories? 18 months. Under Labour? 18 weeks. Keep voting Tory, Mr Sell Out.

Keep eyes on the media? If YOU had kept your eys open,. you'd know that Clinton was itching to intervene for YEARS, but was prevented by the EU who thought that their 'peace plan' would work.

The Foreign Office under Robin Cook. The anti-war Robin Cook, mate of Oona King and someone who left his post with dignity. Unlike Galloway who has said that the UK is part of the axis of evil. Is that the same UK that you are part of Mr Galloway?!

"Everything that you have said, have been the odd scrap that the Muslims have been provide, so that they beg and there master then throws a few more scrapes, Labour strategy of dealing with Muslims."

None of the above makes sense. All this talk about 'IQ' and 'not knowing what [I] talk about' and you can't even construct a sentence which makes sense.

I appreciate you're a brother and I appreciate that this is my first day on this board, but you've been warned twice about insulting me. I don't need other people to fight my battles, but as I said before you have no coherent argument, just cussing and dissing. Well done.

[Ali-Gation]

So who joined then .. ?

[LookingForPeace]

This is disgusting.

Any Muslim who votes for Howard and BLiar, is as stupid as a Jew voting for Hitler.

[Manc]

JOIN CONSERVATIVE PARTY <http://www.conservatives.com>

:help:

What I can't seem to understand is why the muslim majority is not with the conservatives, in reality Muslim values agree with conservative politics, in terms of family values, and economics principles( tax)

conservatives will be in power if not in 2005,then by 2009


I agree that Conservative politics are more closely aligned with Muslim values.

Muslims must join the Tory party as they are the only other part besides Labour that has any real possibility of forming the next Government.

It does look like the Tories are set to win the next General election or at the least make huge gains judging by the local election results where they came first and got 40% of the vote.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4974850.stm

[Gee...(London)]

Excellent post, Im glad someone opened this thread again.


The argument Against participation:

Certain religious principles restrict muslims from being part of non muslim groups, hence these principles must be upheld no matter what the possible benefits may be.


The argument for Participation:
Anyone who puts up vague arguments that call for non participation based on certain principles, is in effect calling for absolutely nothing to be done.

I.e, even tho muslims are suffering everywhere, we should stay put because of certain religious restriction, and rather see them die than do anything about it.

If muslims get involved in these circles, than can they not change peoples perceptions of law, order morality, rules of justice etc....within these parties...


The Synthesis:
Everyone should join the Conservative party....... :D (Joke, let us know what you think of the conservatives, would you vote for them :confused:

[nishath_786]

I'd rather cut my tongue off with a saw than vote Tory.

Cameron is the biggest flip-flopper ever. All this 'we need ethnics and women'. What happened? A tory Councillor in Lincoln left the Tories for THE BNP.

Lib Dems? Fine. Respect? (grudgingly) Fine. Labour? Fine.

Tories? No flippin' way!

When one of my mates started earning a bit of money, he started going on about how much tax he was paying and how he was tempted by the Tories. The rest of us said that the moment he became Tory is the moment we stopped hanging out with him.

If any of you get a chance to read the election material the Tories give out in Essex in places like Romford, I swear there is no difference between that and the BNP....

Stuff like 'Bring back an English, Christian identity to our schools and end PC nonsense!" :eek:

[Gee...(London)]

If any of you get a chance to read the election material the Tories give out in Essex in places like Romford, I swear there is no difference between that and the BNP....

Stuff like 'Bring back an English, Christian identity to our schools and end PC nonsense!" :eek:


I guess you do have a point there, as the tories are more rightwing than they sometimes are seen to be.

However Cameron is not, and his trying his best to bring it more in line with Labour. His party is all about change remember?

Although the tories were in power for 11 years straight, and they were'nt that bad even then.

[nishath_786]

I guess you do have a point there, as the tories are more rightwing than they sometimes are seen to be.

However Cameron is not, and his trying his best to bring it more in line with Labour. His party is all about change remember?

Although the tories were in power for 11 years straight, and they were'nt that bad even then.

The Tories weren't that bad???!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

3 Million unemployed? 15% interest rates? No investment in housing, education, health? The destruction of the trade union movement, privatisation, recession, massive inflation, 'being swamped by another culture' etc etc etc.

It's blatantly obvious by my posts etc that I'm active with labour, but c'mon! The Tories were absolutely abysmal!

And as for cameron... this is all Labour propaganda, but totally true...

Child Trust Fund - Opposed then supported
Flat Tax - Supported then Opposed
Devolution - Opposed then supported
Minimum Wage - Opposed then supported
Grammar Schools - Supported then Opposed
Iraq - Supported then opposed then supported again.

Even less trustworthy than Blair. And we got sucked into HIS bull already! And no matter what Cameron does, there is his party... he can try and bring the troies to the centre, but his party will not allow him to.

[Theodore]

All of the parties are having identity problems because everyone is trying to capture the biggest vote. I think it would be better to say here, what main policies you are looking for because I don't think any of the parties know which ones they're standing for!

Mine are:

- Get out of Iraq
- Immigration quotas
- Crime: Abolish ASBO's and call them 'Court Orders', concentrate more police on 'young-offenders' to improve police credibility and make sure everyone in the country knows at least one police or community support officer, by name and has actually met them.
- Stop wasting tax money on stupid things!

[Gee...(London)]

The Tories weren't that bad???!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

3 Million unemployed? 15% interest rates? No investment in housing, education, health? The destruction of the trade union movement, privatisation, recession, massive inflation, 'being swamped by another culture' etc etc etc.

It's blatantly obvious by my posts etc that I'm active with labour, but c'mon! The Tories were absolutely abysmal!

And as for cameron... this is all Labour propaganda, but totally true...

Child Trust Fund - Opposed then supported
Flat Tax - Supported then Opposed
Devolution - Opposed then supported
Minimum Wage - Opposed then supported
Grammar Schools - Supported then Opposed
Iraq - Supported then opposed then supported again.

Even less trustworthy than Blair. And we got sucked into HIS bull already! And no matter what Cameron does, there is his party... he can try and bring the troies to the centre, but his party will not allow him to.

I tend to think that this is classic government propoganda, and isnt plain and simple true.

The economy was on the up anyways n 1997, and whether Labour won or not, doesnt make that much of a difference to the economy.
Are you trying to say that Labour party filled the empty coffers of the governments budget with their own money??


Secondly, the funding you talk of does not really come for free, in the last general election Michael Howards Economic poliocies were deemed as more reliable than the Labour partys record thus far, by the Institute of Fiscal Studies, an independent organisation.

The governemnt is in a debt of over 50 billion, now compare that to when the tories left, if it was an ordinary person, youd have to file for bankruptcy.....

It all depends, do people want all their money being wasted on recruiting mangaers for the NHS on a higher ration than nurses.

Council tax that causes old pensioners to give their belonging s away before the baliffs come round.

Much more could be said.......

[Shazan]

This thread is better then prime Minster question time.

[Manc]

A Labour boy here mate, Conservatives are a bunch of losers, Down with Thatcher rofl


The Conservatives are not just about Thatcherism, One Nation Conservatism is quite agreeable if you examine it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation

[EmbraceHislamb]

I agree that Conservative politics are more closely aligned with Muslim values.

Muslims must join the Tory party as they are the only other part besides Labour that has any real possibility of forming the next Government.

It does look like the Tories are set to win the next General election or at the least make huge gains judging by the local election results where they came first and got 40% of the vote.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4974850.stm

Yes the Tories have an excellent track record , Enoch Powell ,Ted Heath Maggie Thatcher , John Major. Some wonderful people there.

[Manc]

Conservative Muslim Forum:

http://www.conservativemuslimforum.co.uk/



Taken from the Conservative Muslim Forum site:

A number of Muslims have been very successful in business and professions and there are in fact thousands of Muslims who are multi-millionaires. A number of young Muslims have done very well academically and in commerce as well as in professions, they are successful in their careers and have achieved some standing. Unfortunately, there are however many Muslims who live in deprived areas, the unemployment rate amongst Muslims is 15%, there is generally under achievement of Muslim children in school, the health of Muslims in below average and there is a lack of interaction in certain areas. Furthermore the community suffers from unfair coverage from some parts of the media and there is discrimination by some people and institutions.



Conservative Medical Society:

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=medical.society.page

For anyone connected to the medical profession e.g. Doctors, nurses etc.



Conservative History Group:

http://www.conservativehistory.org.uk/

If you have an interest in history as I know many of you do, the Conservative History Group promotes debate, knowledge and discussion of Conservative Party politics through the ages.



Conservative Animal Welfare Group:

http://www.cawg.org.uk/

Animal welfare is an important Islamic issue.

[Manc]

This is disgusting.

Any Muslim who votes for Howard and BLiar, is as stupid as a Jew voting for Hitler.


Howard and Blair might have actually taken British Muslim votes into account when making decisions if British Muslims voted tactically and in high numbers.

What is disgusting is the attitude of lying back and moaning about the world instead of doing something to change it, by the way if that is how you feel about Muslims in politics, why are you on the MPACUK forum?

[Manc]

Yes the Tories have an excellent track record , Enoch Powell ,Ted Heath Maggie Thatcher , John Major. Some wonderful people there.


Is that relevant to British Muslims joining the Conservative party?

[EmbraceHislamb]

Enoch Powel was very sensitive to the needs of British Muslims NOT!

[termin8or]

The unions had gone too far and Britain was floundering.

Thatcher was a medicine the country needed but she herself went too far.

Although I was in full unemployment throughout her reign my industry suffered badly due to the deliberate poilcy of her Government and it is still in a dysfunctional state today as the thirst for profit is king.

It was the uncaring attitude that did for me. Old folk found their pensions and benefits reduced and instead of a heating allowance were told to put an extra jumper on.

Men, deliberatley put out of work as industries collapsed were told to get on their bike and encouraged to move around the country looking for employment.

Uncaring and out of touch.....easy when your rich and priviledged.

I would have voted for Screaming Lord Sutch before I put my cross against a Tory candidate.

[Gee...(London)]

The Conservatives have given their strongest signal yet that they will not promise tax cuts at the next election.

Shadow chancellor George Osborne said the state of the public finances meant up-front promises of tax cuts were "very unlikely to be on offer".

In a speech in Manchester, he said such promises could lead to doubts about Conservative economic competence.

But Treasury Chief Secretary Stephen Timms said the speech showed Mr Osborne was "totally confused".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5034944.stm

[abu_ali]

join the conservative party????
this is the party that said they would have also attacked iraq...
funny how muslims say if you support a group like al-qaeda you are just like them.. yet same people support these political groups who call for so many things whichare completely opposite to islam.. yet they say its ok..
by you supporting these parties you are accepting and agreeing with their policies and manifestos...
why dont you work for islam.. work for shariah.. try to live by islam rather than.. join those...
the prophet didnt join any of the groups in quraish..
he done dawah and made hijara to establish shariah in medinah..

[big al]

Whoever ssaid Muslims should join the tories does not know how bad they are for not only Muslims but for non Whites. They need ECT to sort out their mindset.