View Full Version : Near death experience...Is there real evidence that all mankind can go to heaven?
Halzer
25-10-2005, 09:39 PM
I am aware of the teachings of Islam regarding heaven, how to achieve a place in it, and that only Muslims can enter.
I had recently read an article on near death experience. It described a man who was athiest, so had no ''need'' to see heaven, clinically die on the operating table during an emergency operation. He described that his soul left his body and floated above the operating table. He was looking down at his body, watching the surgeons trying to ''shock'' him back to life. He noticed other medics rushing into the room who had not been there previously. He also described seeing a bright calming light above him ,and he was drawn to it. He felt warmth and love and totallt at peace. Someone with a strong, kind presence ,he is not sure who, cam to him and said that it wasnt his time to enter the light. He protested as he had such an urge to go was was again told that someday he will enter, but not at this time.
He then said that a feeling, like a whirlpool or someone pulling a plug, as he was sucked back down to the operating room ,seeing himself still being ''shocked'' and then a 'thud' sensation. When he came around on the ward he told his family and the doctor of his experience. His family were amazed when the man told the doctor about seeing other staff enter the operating room, as the doctor said that this couldn't be possible as he was ''dead'' at this time. Yet the man could tell the doctor what these people did in the room.
I was a bit sceptical of this article but I started doing more research and found that other people, including Jews, athiests and Muslims had had similar experiences. The most suprising accounts were from children as young as five years old, who had no knowledge of near death experience, and yet told of being floating above their bodies, bright lights etc, like the accounts of adults.
Now Im thinking that its a possibility that all ''good people'' go to heaven? I guess all religions say that their believers will only go to heaven if they follow that particular religion, or else what's the point to follow it?
Now Im thinking that there is something 'afterlife' but I cant imagine that 'it' could be so selective. If a man is good in his life why would he go to hell. Mother Teresa is the epitomy of goodness. Is she in hell because she worshipped God/Allah in a certain way? :thinking:
My brain is trying to comprehend the impossible I guess
sunilight
25-10-2005, 09:48 PM
maybe its a sign from God that he is there and you should really start to clue up on islam...
Before u die for real....
Halzer
25-10-2005, 09:58 PM
maybe its a sign from God that he is there and you should really start to clue up on islam...
True....but say if you were a Christian in name only, and this happened to you ,wouldnt you become more committed as a Christian? You wouldn't have an incentive to switch? :thinking:
sunilight
25-10-2005, 10:24 PM
True....but say if you were a Christian in name only, and this happened to you ,wouldnt you become more committed as a Christian? You wouldn't have an incentive to switch? :thinking:
yeh well lots of ppl have a spirital experience and turn to christianity.. i mean Madonna turned to judaism
at the end of the day.. all God can do is send signs... its up to us to find islam..
if you image that you are a semi christian and you have a spirital experience...
and u turn more towards christianity
and then you should be commited to ur religion and try to find out more about it
and if your an honest person who is not stubborn the more you learnt about it the more you would realise there are holes in it...
and hopefully if you are sincere in ur belief of the creator yu would learn about the other religions too
and bingo bango you may come across islam and convert - mission accomplished :)
plimfix01
25-10-2005, 11:49 PM
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the sabians,- any who believe in Allah (God) and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (Al-Qur'an, 2:62)
sunni
26-10-2005, 12:09 AM
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the sabians,- any who believe in Allah (God) and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (Al-Qur'an, 2:62)
i was listning to this talk and it mentioned about marrying a person from the people of the book, that it is mentioned in the Quran to be ok...however the person conducting this talk said the people of the book do not exist now with regards to the total distortion of their scriptural teachings etc.
so the verse mentioned above is it as clear cut?
Halzer
26-10-2005, 12:48 AM
plimfix01...That has helped me a great deal and has given my Iman a boost.Thanks for that.
Sunni...Regarding was listning to this talk and it mentioned about marrying a person from the people of the book, that it is mentioned in the Quran to be ok...however the person conducting this talk said the people of the book do not exist now with regards to the total distortion of their scriptural teachings etc.
How can the person giving this talk say that? The Qur'an says
any who believe in Allah (God) and the Last Day, and work righteousness,
Does this person know what is in all Christian, Jewish etc hearts? The Qur'an states this so who are we to ''add bits on''
sunni
26-10-2005, 12:51 AM
plimfix01...That has helped me a great deal and has given my Iman a boost.Thanks for that.
Sunni...Regarding
How can the person giving this talk say that? The Qur'an says
Does this person know what is in all Christian, Jewish etc hearts? The Qur'an states this so who are we to ''add bits on''
with regards to the latter part of ur saying sister, the shiekh isnt adding bits as he said, he said they did exist but now very few, so when people talk of people of the book nowadays it is very weak, there are very few or if any as so
Halzer
26-10-2005, 01:02 AM
I was only going by your original statement sunni..
You first said
the people of the book do not exist now
And now you say
they did exist but now very few,
Does he know all of them then?
I personally am happy that good christian and jews can be in heaven ''as they are'',going by what the Qur'an says, as it restores my faith that Allah is indeed merciful and loving :)
sunni
26-10-2005, 01:11 AM
I was only going by your original statement sunni..
You first said
And now you say
Does he know all of them then?
I personally am happy that good christian and jews can be in heaven ''as they are'',going by what the Qur'an says, as it restores my faith that Allah is indeed merciful and loving :)
apologies for my mistake sis, yes believes they dont exist, not how they were b4 Allah hu allam im notwell versed in that arena
mhd_17
26-10-2005, 06:20 AM
I was only going by your original statement sunni..
You first said
And now you say
Does he know all of them then?
I personally am happy that good christian and jews can be in heaven ''as they are'',going by what the Qur'an says, as it restores my faith that Allah is indeed merciful and loving :)
Sister, our Lord is indeed the Most Merciful.
Here are some verses from the Noble Quran:
AL-FATIHA (THE OPENING)
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
The Beneficent, the Merciful.
Master of the Day of Judgment
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Our Lord is the Best of Judges, it is important to put complete faith and trust in Allah (swt), our Lord is the Generous one (Al-Karim), our Lord is the All Seeing (Al-Basir), our Lord is the All-Forgiving (Al-Ghafur), our Lord is the Subtle One (Al-Latif).
Here are some hadith regarding God’s Mercy:
Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When Allah created the creation He put down in his Book, which is with Him upon the Throne: Verily, My mercy predominates My wrath.
Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: A man, who had never done any good deed, asked the members of his family to burn his dead body when he would die and to scatter half of its ashes over the land and the other half in the ocean. By Allah, if Allah finds him in His grip, He would torment him with a torment with which He did not afflict anyone among the people of the world; and when the man died, it was done to him as he had commanded (his family) to do. Allah commanded the land to collect (the ashes scattered on it) and the ocean to collect (ashes) contained in it. When Allah questioned him why he had done that, he said: My Lord, it is out of fear of You that I have done it and You are well aware of it, and Allah granted him pardon.
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As plimfix01 posted earlier:
[2:62]"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
God is the best of Judges and In God I put my trust.
HasbunAllah Wanaymul Wakeel
Muntasir
27-10-2005, 08:49 PM
Christians jews or anyone else who hears of the Prophet Muhammed (saw) in a clear unbiased way free from lies and distortions and unambiguities and rejects His Prophethood (saw) even if they did righteous deeds will enter Hell Fire for eternity.
as for those who didnt hear of His (saw) Message,or heard it distorted or thrugh liars and bad reports etc what ever their religion etc are at Allahs Mercy.
and Allah knows best.
Shazan
27-10-2005, 10:17 PM
I personally am happy that good christian and jews can be in heaven ''as they are'',going by what the Qur'an says, as it restores my faith that Allah is indeed merciful and loving :)
The beauty of Islam is that, we accept all of Allah’s swt Prophets, whereas Christian and Judaism reject the Prophet saw. The people of the book are mention in the Quran as being people of paradise, Quran has made reference of this the early followers of Moses and Jesus.
Howerver since Judaism and Christianity has been corrupted, they are no longer considered people of the book. Some Christians sects now wildly drink Alcohol and they- lay claim to follow the message and teaching's of Jesus, and of course- they are blind following, was Jesus breaking the laws of Moses? No.... of course not this is why they have become corrupted with all the innovation in Christian Laws. Jesus and Moses are followers of Allah swt.
Hell will one day be empty.
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