BNP back Boris

[IbnRushd]

Give second vote to Johnson, BNP tells supporters (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/apr/02/london08.london)
Sam Jones and Matthew Taylor
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday April 2 2008

The British National party has called on its supporters to give their second-preference votes in the London mayoral election to the Conservative candidate, Boris Johnson.

In a statement posted on its website today, the far-right party advised people to award its own mayoral candidate, Richard Barnbrook, their first-choice vote, and "the Tory clown Johnson" their second because he was the lesser of two evils.

It read: "Our suggestion … is that you hold your nose and cast it in favour of the Conservative candidate, Boris Johnson. This is not because we think that Johnson would be any good as mayor — he is as politically correct as any of the other candidates and has no real ties to our London — but because he wouldn't be actively bad in the way that [Ken] Livingstone [the Labour candidate] is."

After attacking the Tory party for its behaviour over Europe and its support for "mass immigration", the statement went on: "In this race, the Tory clown Johnson is a lesser evil than the Marxist crank Livingstone, so replacing the latter with the former would, on balance, be an improvement for the majority of Londoners.

"So even if Johnson condemns the BNP (and as a Tory 'wet' he's bound to), a second-choice vote for him gives you the chance to vote BNP as your first preference and still vote to get Livingstone out of office."

Johnson made it clear that wanted no electoral help from the far-right.

"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."

[Saracen]

nazis unite!!!

boris will be right at home with the nazi rape supporters!!

[TRUREL]

nazis unite!!!

boris will be right at home with the nazi rape supporters!!


I don't suppose you would care to re read the article and take that back?

[Saracen]

I don't suppose you would care to re read the article and take that back?

no, I think i should treat Boris with the same logic he applies to Muslims.

what a refreshing change.

but why should I take it back?? they are racist and he is a racist........why does that confound you???

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=35236

[TRUREL]

no, I think i should treat Boris with the same logic he applies to Muslims.

what a refreshing change.

but why should I take it back?? they are racist and he is a racist........why does that confound you???

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=35236

If you are going to acuse someone of racism it is customary to have better evidence than that which you posted. If you read the full Watermelons/Pickaninies speech it isn't a dig at africans, it's a dig at Blair and his spin.

A kack handed incompetent one that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth agreed but nonetheless there is ample evidence that he is far from racist.

If you read old articles by him such as....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/08/04/do0401.xml


It will take time, but if you don't believe it can be done, and you don't think Muslims can be loyal to this country, then go and look at the number of Khans and Alis whose names are inscribed on the Menin Gate at Ypres. Read them and weep.

for example you will see that while he is undoubtedly a nationalist he is also undoubtedly not a racist.

I am a big reader of political memoirs and he crops up often in a diverse range of them but of all the accusations against him racism simply isn't one of them.

Now I am no huge fan of his. In fact I am pleased I don't live in London so I have to decide which well meaning wastrel I would have to vote in.

But it seems to me that if you can't find anything to attack Boris on other than misquotes from speeches about Mr Blair then you are being lazy because from representation of his constituancy through to abuse of political donations and having an affair there is plenty to go at without making stuff up.

[2nothe truth]

no, I think i should treat Boris with the same logic he applies to Muslims.

what a refreshing change.

[QUOTE]but why should I take it back?? they are racist and he is a racist........why does that confound you??? Are you prepared yto personally tell that to him in person. What is it that makes him a racist? Also why do muslims urge us to vote for a person whose policies are in direct conflict with Islamic thought. Abortion, same sex marriages etc

[2nothe truth]

nazis unite!!!

boris will be right at home with the nazi rape supporters!! That is way below the belt and is in itself a racist comment.

[thaddeus]

That's feeble, Saracen. Ken says Boris is racist and you just blindly agree. As I put on the other thread, Boris has said he doesn't want the votes of racists. Still, don't let facts intrude your anti-Boris agenda.

[nishath_786]

Smiling picaninnies anyone?

[TRUREL]

Smiling picaninnies anyone?

As I said above, have you read the whole of the speech? It isn't anti black it is anti Blair/spin. Distasteful yes, racist no. And he has made LOTS of clear anti racist speeches.

Whereas Kens anti Jewish moments, hmmm, there just wasn't a context on those.

I don't (for the record) actually think either is racist. I just think both are gaffe prone.

[nishath_786]

"It is time to reassert British values…That means disposing of the first taboo, and accepting that the problem is Islam. Islam is the problem.
To any non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke. Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques — it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions.

The trouble with this disgusting arrogance and condescension is that it is widely supported in Koranic texts, and we look in vain for the enlightened Islamic teachers and preachers who will begin the process of reform. What is going on in these mosques and madrasas? When is someone going to get 18th century on Islam’s mediaeval ass?

A first step towards what could be called the re-Britannification of Britain."

BoJo - Spectator 16/7/05

"If we were Israelis, we would by now be doing a standard thing to that white semi-detached pebbledash house at 51 Colwyn Road, Beeston. Having given due warning, we would dispatch an American-built ground-assault helicopter and blow the place to bits. Then we would send in bulldozers to scrape over the remains, and we would do the same to all the other houses in the area thought to have been the temporary or permanent addresses of the suicide bombers and their families.

After decades of deranged attacks the Israelis have come to the conclusion that this is the best way to deter Palestinian families from nurturing these vipers in their bosoms, and also the best way of explaining to the death-hungry narcissists that they may get the 72 black-eyed virgins of scripture, but their family gets the bulldozer."

BoJo in the Spectator again.

These ain't gaffes. These are racist tirades.

Now, if I may use a little free speech and self censorship at the same time...

**** Boris Johnson.

**** Boris Johnson supporters.

[Saracen]

[QUOTE=Saracen;493700]no, I think i should treat Boris with the same logic he applies to Muslims.

what a refreshing change.

Are you prepared yto personally tell that to him in person. What is it that makes him a racist? Also why do muslims urge us to vote for a person whose policies are in direct conflict with Islamic thought. Abortion, same sex marriages etc

yes damn right I would tell him to his face he is a disgusting racist.

[Saracen]

That is way below the belt and is in itself a racist comment.

thats your opiniopn
The fact is he is a disgusting racist and an islamaphobe.

It will be a tragic and sad day if this man becomes mayor of any city let alone London.

People need to get out and vote.

There are people are deeply racist and tring to cover up this mans contempt and racism for all that is in his opinion foriegn, he is without a shadow of doubt a deeply racist man and many of his well wishers are closet racist, who believe in the same principles as the BNP but would rather not admit it too much in the open.

[Saracen]

As I said above, have you read the whole of the speech? It isn't anti black it is anti Blair/spin. Distasteful yes, racist no. And he has made LOTS of clear anti racist speeches.

Whereas Kens anti Jewish moments, hmmm, there just wasn't a context on those.

I don't (for the record) actually think either is racist. I just think both are gaffe prone.

ken is anti Jewish? looooooooool

your arguement just gets better and better!

do you really think anyone is going to buy your distortion of the facts that stare us in the face?

[TRUREL]

These ain't gaffes. These are racist tirades.


No they are not. Read the whole article.

His concerns are regarding Islam and Muslims capicity to engage with non muslims and be tolerant. And also of muslims lack of public criticism of the deliberate targeting of civilians.

If you think he is racist on that account I should say that would make 90% of the UK racist.

He is also critical of the Iraq war and Bushes "trumped up claims" in that same article.





Now, if I may use a little free speech and self censorship at the same time...

**** Boris Johnson.

**** Boris Johnson supporters.

You can, it is a free country. (I am not a BJ supporter though).

[TRUREL]

ken is anti Jewish? looooooooool

your arguement just gets better and better!

do you really think anyone is going to buy your distortion of the facts that stare us in the face?

As long as people like you are peddling racism accusations then yes I think BJ might get in.

And, I should add, I would not want that.

[Saracen]

As long as people like you are peddling racism accusations then yes I think BJ might get in.

And, I should add, I would not want that.

yeah thats what it is, me peddling racist accusations......not the man who calls black people piccanies, or south americans cannibals or blabbers on about Islam being a problem and then gets an endorsement form the British nazi party.............another person with flawless logic.


The Tory party do not deserve a single seat in the country, even cleaning

[nishath_786]

(I am not a BJ supporter though).

Who wouldn't support BJs? I'm just against Boris. (Terrible, terrible pun for which I apologise half-heartedly).

:D

Back to the nature at hand. BoJo is nothing but Norman Tebbit in clown's clothing.

[faith28]

Boris should stick to presenting Have I Got News For You...he's hilarious :D

[TRUREL]

Who wouldn't support BJs? I'm just against Boris. (Terrible, terrible pun for which I apologise half-heartedly).

:D

Back to the nature at hand. BoJo is nothing but Norman Tebbit in clown's clothing.

Thanks for that.

Nisath, out of interest do you ever read Political Memoirs and if so have you read any Alan Clark (not the rubbish dramatisation)?

I mean since we are speaking of racism.

[nishath_786]

Thanks for that.

Nisath, out of interest do you ever read Political Memoirs and if so have you read any Alan Clark (not the rubbish dramatisation)?

I mean since we are speaking of racism.

No. I can't stand them. I actually 'star' in one and ain't read it. My mum liked it, though.

Alan Clark was a bit of a naughty boy. For that, he gets kudos. I mean, a Mum and a daughter?? Fair play that man.

[Saracen]

BNP are supporting boris because they know he would be closest to their policies.

[TRUREL]

BNP are supporting boris because they know he would be closest to their policies.

Saracen, what policies of Kens do you support the most?

I mean myself as an ardent environmentalist I like the congestion charge and also his pressing for pedestrianisation.

But which of his policies for London you you most strongly identify with?

[Saracen]

Saracen, what policies of Kens do you support the most?

I mean myself as an ardent environmentalist I like the congestion charge and also his pressing for pedestrianisation.

But which of his policies for London you you most strongly identify with?

> I like the fact that he wants to make house affordable for the less well off
> the fact he has introduced a congestion charge and stands up to porsche to reduce traffic and pollution
> he is trying to improve public transport
> the fact that he is proud defender of mutli culturalism
> the fact he succeded in the olympics bid
> He is not a hypocrite and a racist thats a bonus!

boris on the other hand is a racist toff

[TRUREL]

> I like the fact that he wants to make house affordable for the less well off
> the fact he has introduced a congestion charge and stands up to porsche to reduce traffic and pollution
> he is trying to improve public transport
> the fact that he is proud defender of mutli culturalism
> the fact he succeded in the olympics bid
> He is not a hypocrite and a racist thats a bonus!

boris on the other hand is a racist toff


OK, what about getting a third world country, where people are poverty stricken, to subsidise London Transport?

How do you feel about that?

[2nothe truth]

thats your opiniopn
The fact is he is a disgusting racist and an islamaphobe.

It will be a tragic and sad day if this man becomes mayor of any city let alone London.

People need to get out and vote.

There are people are deeply racist and tring to cover up this mans contempt and racism for all that is in his opinion foriegn, he is without a shadow of doubt a deeply racist man and many of his well wishers are closet racist, who believe in the same principles as the BNP but would rather not admit it too much in the open.Nonsense. This is not an opinion. It is a downright insult to a person who is not here to defend himself. You should have been censured for this provocative remark. Mods, take note.

For my part, I do not judge a book by its cover as the muslim brotherhood seemingly does. I'm happy to give Boris a chance. A breath of fresh air.

[Saracen]

Boris the racist and official choice of the British nazi party cant add up.


He has suggested scrapping bendy buses introduced by Ken because he hasnt got anything else to offer and he botched that up, in the true sipirt of his character as a 'baffon'

He estimated that it would cost only £8 million to pay for conductors that would need to be employed on his zany idea of taking London backwards.

the truth is that it would cost £72 million

can you believe that he could have made such a big cock up???

well some people think so............I disagree

I think the racist toff expects poor working class people to work below minimum wage to fulfill his absurdities...........

""whats wrond with that ket them eat cake¬!¬""

I dislike Labour but I despise Tories with a passion the racist bigoted fox hunters.

[Saracen]

OK, what about getting a third world country, where people are poverty stricken, to subsidise London Transport?

How do you feel about that?

no idea what you a talking about......

[TRUREL]

no idea what you a talking about......


Really? It was considereds fairly controversial in left wing circles.

http://www.eursoc.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/1894/London's_Third_World_Subsidy.html


Londoners will get half-price bus travel thanks to a 20 percent discount on fuel provided to London transport by Mr Chavez.

In return, London will provide Venezuela with its "expertise" on town planning, tourism, public transport and environmental protection.




For a while earlier this year, it seemed that the Opposition's pleas were noticed: Chavez was widely expected to win the forthcoming election, but it did the "champion of the poor" no favours to be seen to be featherbedding Londoners when nearly forty percent of Venezuelans lived in absolute poverty. Low-income Londoners having trouble affording bus tickets are one thing: The millions of Venezuelans who don't know where their next meal is coming from would be a more pressing problem for a President, one would imagine.

[TRUREL]

Incidently while I am at it how do you feel about his stance on Homosexual Civil Partnership?

I mean I am all in favour of making the inevitable legal but I understand that some traditional Muslims might take strong issue with it?

Mind you some of them might take issue with his looking forward to seeing looked forward to seeing the Saudi Royal Family "swinging from lamp posts I guess.

[Saracen]

Incidently while I am at it how do you feel about his stance on Homosexual Civil Partnership?

I mean I am all in favour of making the inevitable legal but I understand that some traditional Muslims might take strong issue with it?

Mind you some of them might take issue with his looking forward to seeing looked forward to seeing the Saudi Royal Family "swinging from lamp posts I guess.

Oh the chavez deal. Well i think chavez is an honest broker and representative for his people, I trust him and so do his people they elected him.

We are living in a plural society it gives us freedom and other people freedoms. people do all kinds of things in the UK, Islam doesnt expect muslims to go around with pitch forks and burning torches.

I mean are you saying muslims should vote for Boris because he is more like the taliban??? lol
dude dont patronise people.


I think saudia arabia has major issues of injustice that stem from the tribal system and its alliance with the wahabi school of thought.

[Sparky II]

BNP are supporting boris because they know he would be closest to their policies.
Hats off to Ken's people (and yerself!) for spinning

In a statement posted on its website today, the far-right party advised people to award its own mayoral candidate, Richard Barnbrook, their first-choice vote, and "the Tory clown Johnson" their second because he was the lesser of two evils.

into support.

Boris is doomed - the moment he opens his mouth, the gig is up. He can't hide from the media forever.

[TRUREL]

I mean are you saying muslims should vote for Boris because he is more like the taliban??? lol
dude dont patronise people.



Me, heck no. I would vote for Sian Berry myself. Probably Ken second. But I don't think Boris is racist and I do think Ken shouldn't have taken on the Chavez deal.

[IbnRushd]

IW has collected some statements (http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2008/4/2/back-boris-urges-bnp.html).

[2nothe truth]

[QUOTE]I think saudia arabia has major issues of injustice that stem from the tribal system and its alliance with the wahabi school of thought. And what about the predominantly run muslim country in Malaysia where apostasy is considered a crime. Lina Joy comes to mind.

[Saracen]

[QUOTE=Saracen;494108]
And what about the predominantly run muslim country in Malaysia where apostasy is considered a crime. Lina Joy comes to mind.

yeah no different from American and European laws of treason

or what about in Israel where they kill you for being a Palestinian? Or if you are peace activist? or a cameraman or a journalist or a child they .......makes you blush........huh?

[2nothe truth]

[QUOTE=2nothe truth;494180]

yeah no different from American and European laws of treason

or what about in Israel where they kill you for being a Palestinian? Or if you are peace activist? or a cameraman or a journalist or a child they .......makes you blush........huh? My post is based on religious lines not political. Islam has no rights whatsoever in dictating to Lian Joy and thousands of others on freedom of choice of religion

[big al]

[QUOTE=Saracen;494206] My post is based on religious lines not political. Islam has no rights whatsoever in dictating to Lian Joy and thousands of others on freedom of choice of religion

Nor do a bunch of traitors who loyalty is to israel, deport ALL of them naked NOW.