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UmmZakariya
31-12-2004, 09:58 AM
Soccer / No Muslims at Betar, fans warn
By Itzik Ganish

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/520409.html

Two months after Nigerian defender Ibrahim Nadala
departed from Betar Jerusalem after fans verbally
harassed him for being a Muslim, some fans are voicing
similar feelings about a possible Betar signing of
Ghanaian forward Ismail Ido.

Two Betar fans made calls to this reporter on his
cellular phone at Hadashot Netanya yesterday,
inquiring about Ido's religious background. Ido played
for Maccabi Netanya in the past.

The first caller, who identified himself as Yisrael,
said: "They told us in Jerusalem that you could help
us."

Reporter: "How?"

"Do you know if Ismail is Muslim or Christian?"

"I'm not sure."

"Check for us, b'hayat rabak (by the life of God),
before our management screws up again. I'll get back
to you. Check, do me a favor, so there won't be any
mistakes.

"Why? What difference does it make?"

"What do you mean? If he's Muslim, then we veto him,
[Betar chairman Meir] Fenigil will have a veto on his
hands. You know, it's serious, I'm asking you."

An hour and a half later, another fan called:

"My name is Lior. I'm with some Betar fans, we called
you earlier to find out if Ismail Ido is an Arab or a
Christian. Can you let us know?"

"He's Christian. He even has a cross, and before he
goes out on the field he crosses himself."

"Ehiye salamtak (Be healthy), you've really helped us
out. If you hadn't, we'd have kicked up a real stink,
you know, like usual. There's no way we'd have a
Muslim. You're the man."

"Tell me, why behave this way?"

"What do you mean, why? An Arab at Betar? They tried
to bring us a Muslim. We've never accepted one and we
never will, God forbid. We're Betar, not Maccabi, not
Hapoel, and not even Bnei Yehuda, no way. We hate
Arabs."

"What would you have done if he was Muslim?"

"The same we did to the other Hamas member, it doesn't
matter who you are. There are a lot of the things the
newspapers don't know, things they don't report on. We
know there's a trend at Yediot Aharonot not to write
too much about violence. They'll soon discover what
they don't know. Any means is legitimate, God forbid
that an Arab comes to Betar."

Then the first fan, Yisrael, got on the line, and
said, "Don't write any names, forget about it, what
for? After all, we were only checking. He's not
Muslim, and that's it. Yalla salamtak (be healthy)
bro, walla (by God) you're okay."

br ash
31-12-2004, 05:18 PM
Rifat Turk, is an Arab Israeli. He is also the first ever Arab Deputy Mayor in Israel, and he represented Israel at the Olympics many years back etc etc etc.

He background is football, represented Israel blah blah blah. Some sort of Football nut. He also faced racist abuse, from Israelis, but saying that some of the young Israelis fans see him as an idol.


Salaam


Ash

Mr Sin
05-01-2005, 12:12 PM
Rifat Turk, is an Arab Israeli. He is also the first ever Arab Deputy Mayor in Israel, and he represented Israel at the Olympics many years back etc etc etc.

He background is football, represented Israel blah blah blah. Some sort of Football nut. He also faced racist abuse, from Israelis, but saying that some of the young Israelis fans see him as an idol.


Salaam


Ash

Happy New Year to all. Hoped you didnt think I'd quit!

While it's not pleasant to see racism in any football match, this of course does not brand an entire country as racist.

The fact that you point out that Israel welcomes Arab / Muslim Israeli's as part of it's political fabric - as well as it's sports, is, at the end of the day, further proof of it's humanity.

Only if there could be an Arab Jew in Arab politics or even a Jewish striker in the Eygptian league, then we'd be getting somewhere.

But we're not comparing like with like are we.

UmmZakariya
05-01-2005, 12:50 PM
where the hell did you get 'welcomes Arab / Muslim Israeli's as part of it's political fabric - as well as it's sports' gees i think you should read it again or else read this:

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Jonathan Cook @ Sakhnin
Monday August 16, 2004
The Guardian

The match itself will be little honoured outside the sporting annals, but last Thursday night an obscure team called Bnei Sakhnin made football history in a Tel Aviv stadium by appearing in an international qualifier against the Albanian side Partizani Tirana in the Uefa Cup. They were the first Arab team ever to compete in the European competition.
But more intriguingly, as Sakhnin romped home to a 3-0 victory, they carried with them the hopes of Israel's legions of football fans. It is the first time the Jewish state has been represented in an international football competition by an Arab club.

Sakhnin, a town of 22,000 Arabs in the country's northern Galilee region, has the poorest squad in the premier division. It qualified for the Uefa competition after unexpectedly beating Hapoel Haifa 4-1 for the state cup in May.

Ever since, the Hebrew media has been accentuating the positive, suggesting that the Jewish state is finally proving its multicultural credentials - and its acceptance of 1 million citizens who are Palestinian. After the match reporters crowded around the team's Jewish coach, Eyal Lachman, as he announced: "This team is making history." Sakhnin, led by an Arab captain, includes Jewish and foreign players.

But there is a side to Sakhnin's story which has been kept out of the headlines. A mere 2,000 spectators turned up at the national stadium. Sakhnin's fans were loath to venture into Tel Aviv amid the mood of hostility to Arabs, and Jews appeared reluctant to wave the Star of David flag in support of an Arab team.

In fact, during the four-year intifada, Israeli football has been one of the social pressure-valves for the expression of tribal sentiments. Opposing chants of "Allahu akbar" (God is great) and "Death to the Arabs" are common at matches, particularly since Sakhnin and another Arab squad, Nazareth, qualified for the premier division last season. In June the first fan was convicted of incitement to racism, and more cases, mostly involving rightwing supporters of Jerusalem Beitar, are in the pipeline.

For historical reasons, Sakhnin's success is resented by a far wider spectrum of Israeli opinion. In 1976, the town won notoriety when security forces quelled protests from residents opposed to a wave of land confiscations that were strippingits reserves. In the clashes, six unarmed demonstrators were shot dead by police, forever branding the town - in Jewish eyes - as a fifth column.

A cross the Arab world the deaths were seen differently: as a symbol of the David and Goliath struggle of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Each year the incident is commemorated in the Middle East as Land Day. Maybe not coincidentally, Bnei Sakhnin are reported to have recently earned a strong following in Arab states.

Today, overcrowded Sakhnin is hemmed in on all sides by luxury Jewish communities, which have been given control of the town's lands. "Once Sakhnin was one of the most important farming communities in the region, and now we don't have room for gardens or new homes," said Ali Zbeidat, whose home, like many others in Sakhnin, is under threat of demolition. He says he was forced to build illegally on his family's ancient olive groves after the local Jewish regional council, Misgav, refused him a construction permit.

Not only private citizens are suffering. The local municipality has been battling Misgav officials for several years to free up land to build a football stadium; meanwhile, the players train on a makeshift pitch. With most big business in Jewish hands, Sakhnin has also found it impossible to win sponsorship deals.

Uefa spared Israeli blushes by declaring that all matches in Israel would be played in Tel Aviv to ensure visiting teams' safety. None the less, apparently worried by bad publicity, Ariel Sharon has stepped in to pledge $2m for a stadium. The only trouble, say Sakhnin residents, is they are not sure where he will find the room to build it.

br ash
05-01-2005, 05:57 PM
Happy New Year to all. Hoped you didnt think I'd quit!

While it's not pleasant to see racism in any football match, this of course does not brand an entire country as racist.

The fact that you point out that Israel welcomes Arab / Muslim Israeli's as part of it's political fabric - as well as it's sports, is, at the end of the day, further proof of it's humanity.

Only if there could be an Arab Jew in Arab politics or even a Jewish striker in the Eygptian league, then we'd be getting somewhere.

But we're not comparing like with like are we.

If you care to read the racist abuse that this Arab received from the majority of the Zionist population. I take my hat off to him.

Adviser to King Mohammed VI, Andre Azoulay, he is Jewish. Jewish adviser to Arab. There you are.

If you care to study the Iraqi Jewish History, the Iraqi Jews always considered them selves more Arab than jewish. Saying that Iraqi Jews played a part in the throwing out the British from Iraq.

Saying that as i have already mentioned, number of Zionists in Iraq setting off bomb blast killing fellow Jews and blaming it on Arabs.

Salaam


ash