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wonder

29-11-2004, 08:53 AM

Salaams,

I was surfing away last night and came to this site.....

http://www.muslimprofessionals.org.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1057

and it had something about a Muslim Woman MP... and I thought hmmm interesting.....

brief on Sayeeda

Sayeeda Warsi
Parliamentary Candidate for Dewsbury

Sayeeda's Experience

Sayeeda has always been politically involved from her early college days when she was elected as the Vice President of the Student Union. She was also instrumental in the launch of Operation Black Vote in West Yorkshire in 1996.

She has always had a keen interest in racial justice issues. For many years she was an executive member of the Kirklees Racial Equality Council. She is also a member of the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust's Racial Justice Committee and regularly represents them at national conferences.

About Sayeeda

Sayeeda was born in Dewsbury in 1971. She was educated at Birkdale High School and Dewsbury College, and then the University of Leeds where she read Law (LLB). She attended the York College of Law to complete her Legal Practice Course and trained both with the Crown Prosecution Service and the Home Office Immigration Department.

Sayeeda enjoys writing, she writes her column 'Straight Talk' for the Dewsbury Reporter, enjoys going to the theatre and spending quality time with her husband Naeem and daughter Aamna. Sayeeda was born and raised in Dewsbury and so is more than familiar with the issues and challenges facing residents living in the consistency.

and then shock horror her pic.... :eek:

http://www.muslimprofessionals.org.uk/temp/portrait_sayeedhuassain.jpg

Now I'm asking a straight question....what if this MP wore a hijaab do you think she would get elected or not? I think not...I think people are so afraid of the hijaab/jilbaab that to wear one automatically assumes yo've got a bomb underneth your covering :-)

Anyway what do you think her chances would be for election?

I'm intereted as this is the FIRST MUSLIM WOMAN MP can she make a difference MPACKers? OR is her place in the kitchen making chappaties and curry for her husband?

Yours Wonder...

TheBatman

29-11-2004, 02:12 PM

Aa

tough one, Saeeda is up and against Shahid Malik who is very polular in the area too. What is going to be interesting is which ever one of them is elected, are they going to be another Khalid 'Uncle Tom' Mahmood or will the be defenders of the faith? :rolleyes:

As for the first Muslim owman MP...remember it can only have a positive influence on the masses if she is seen to be a true defender of the faith and articulate our case in the face of stiff opposition.

Otherwise she will be just another brown face that the Muslim community will see as part of the establishment. Its brilliant to see Muslim women fighting the political jihad thats one thing for sure...

wonder

29-11-2004, 02:42 PM

br ash

29-11-2004, 03:25 PM

Salaams,

So waht do you Br Ash.., what do you think is the best way forward. Also, you may want to note that in Dewsbury the previous Labour MP, Ann Taylor, was on the join intelligence committee. Yes you cry in horror the one where the dodgy intelligence was used for the cold blooded murders in Iraq.

Do you think Labour should be sent a clear warning from the local populace or should one now move on and think that what has happened is in the past and it is water under the bridge? If Shahid Malik gets elected?

Your thoughts please...

Wonder

First of all i find your approach "Wonder" condescending, in the way you have asked the question. With out even knowing what my views our.

Secondly I back her, I agree with Batman she has very little chance, Shahid Malik if one has to go by name recognition and historical political involvement, this she unfortunately lacks.

That does not mean that she can not win, she needs one hell of a highly efficient campaign team. Saying that I see her with in 7 years as MP, probably been given a safe seat, if she plays her cards right.

I pray that she wins, not because sending a message regarding Ann Taylor being on the mis-intelligent committee, but because we need Muslim Conservative MPs. Put it this way, had I lived in Dewsbury i would have no hesitation in volunteering to campaign for her, and recommending any Muslim to vote for her.

Salaam

ash

wonder

29-11-2004, 04:43 PM

Salaams,
First of all i find your approach "Wonder" condescending, in the way you have asked the question. With out even knowing what my views our.

Sorry br ash it was a mistake I was asking TheBatman but indirectly I must have been thinking about you :)

I hope you find my apologee acceptable.

Secondly, what sort of capaign do you think we at MPAC could use. Are there other regions where this could happen i.e. Muslim against Muslim? How can we move forward from this? Is there some sort of strategy or methodology that we could use?

Yours Wonder,

br ash

29-11-2004, 06:35 PM

Salaams,

Sorry br ash it was a mistake I was asking TheBatman but indirectly I must have been thinking about you :)

I hope you find my apologee acceptable.

Secondly, what sort of capaign do you think we at MPAC could use. Are there other regions where this could happen i.e. Muslim against Muslim? How can we move forward from this? Is there some sort of strategy or methodology that we could use?

Yours Wonder,

Accepted, appreciated.

The issue of Muslim against Muslim is a very hard issue.

I know Muslims who have on hand said that Muslims should not stand against fellow Muslims, this was at a, local election few years’ back. Then this individual went to another town where a Muslim had already been selected stood there. Against a fellow Muslim, Hypocrisy? Who knows.

In the case of Mrs Warsi, she was selected first, Shahid Malik only came was nominated on the grounds had Labour not selected Shaid Malik they would has lost Dewsbury, no question about that.

I have no problem Muslim fighting Muslim, as long as it is a clean fight.

If one has to go by the behaviour I have seen between Labour Muslim verses Lib Dem Muslims, they are as bad as each other. Ironically many dirty tricks played by either candidates.

Salaam

Ash

Fat Boy Tazzer

29-11-2004, 11:18 PM

Well I think she is ..... :cool:

PresidentWPM

30-11-2004, 01:04 AM

I pray that she [Saeeda Warsi] wins, not because sending a message regarding Ann Taylor being on the mis-intelligent committee, but because we need Muslim Conservative MPs. Put it this way, had I lived in Dewsbury i would have no hesitation in volunteering to campaign for her, and recommending any Muslim to vote for her.

Salaam ash
You're right br Ash. We do need Muslim Conservative MPs to ensure a Jewish Prime Minister rises to power. But then I'm a Zionist, what do I know. Even Khalid Mahmood can't better this one whether or not the sun shines from his behind. Wake up brothers and sisters, smell the Zionists.

The Pres.

UmmZakariya

30-11-2004, 12:10 PM

The Pres.

illusions of granduer or what?!

UmmZakariya

30-11-2004, 01:38 PM

Well I think she is really fit, is she wed? hubba hubba :p :cool:

Tazzer behave!!! :grumble:

Fat Boy Tazzer

30-11-2004, 05:02 PM

br ash

30-11-2004, 06:09 PM

On this one people and I'm not being sexist we have to urge the good people of dewsbury to vote for Shahid. The reason is he has been passed over many times because of his outspokenness on Palestine, Chechnya and Iraq. He is from Burnley orginially and should have had that seat years ago for his work there, Labour made it a womens only short list. Then he stood in brent east (biggest muslim constituency in the uk) got the most votes and wasn't selected for the shortlist! Talk about blatant anti Shahid Labour party. Now he has his chance we should all work to elect him.
The babe that is Sayeeda Warsi's time will come again but I believe Shahid is the man that has paid his dues many times over and will be our kind of MP. Principled, not like that prat Khalid "muslims don't vote for me anyway" Mehmood.
If he needs any help canvassing etc, I'm there! Who knows might even meet Sayeeda :o :D ;)

First all FAT BOY TAZZER.

I most likely the only person on this forum, who stated more time THAN any one the injustice faced by Sahid Malik. Particularly not being selected in his hometown Burnley, when Burnley was made in a women only seat.

Like I have said i think she faces a uphill struggle, when facing the some one of Shahid Mailkn calibre. If you care to read my post, I agree with The Bat, Shaid Malik will win.

There is no question that out of all the Muslim who standing as MPs, Shahid Malik is probably the best individual in expressing the Muslim point of view.

I am glad to see that you are going to politically involved.

I my self will vote and help Conservatives, where i reside, as i have done in the past.

We are all in agreement Khalid Mahmood is a scumbag, (apart from one nameless individual on this forum)

It is very disrespectful of you to call a Muslim sister a babe no matter what the issue is.

Salaam

Ash

br ash

30-11-2004, 06:11 PM

Well I think she is really fit, is she wed? hubba hubba :p :cool:

She is married women, with children, who has recently been on Umra.

Like I have said i believe you should re edit you missive, it is very disrespectful.
Salaam

Ash

LocalGenius

30-11-2004, 10:41 PM

There is nothing wrong with a woman not wearing a headscarf (although it is recommended). In this day and age i have found that women with headscarfs are morally worse than women without. Nowadays you cant judge people by their beards headscarfs or anything...

Fat Boy Tazzer

01-12-2004, 10:29 AM

You lot need to take a chill pill. The fit and babe comments were there to try and bring a little brevity to the debate. No one needs a "holier than thou" Muslim. We have too many of them already.

Perhaps I should have said "lets take her outside and have us a horse whippin" but that really might have been misconstrued.

I am sick of these mundane debates about whether she should wear hijab or not. We waste time judging each other, I'd rather find out what she stands for, whether we will find her at the trough with all the other politicians, is she in it for herself? Will she be another Khalid Mehmood? these are the important questions.

I am ssssoooooo pleased I caused a stir though, lol, :D

I've heard from people I know in Dewsbury that they are organising against Shahid because he is standing as a Labour candidate and they want to send a message to the Labour party over Iraq. I think the message is better sent that we will support the right candidate, lets get rid of Gapes, Godsiff, Ellman, Ann Cryer and all the other "friends of Israel" that sit in big Muslim constituencies. They are the real problem for us.

Br Ash, sorry i am not as clever as you politically and thank you for your inspiration. Not only have you made me a better muslim, you have also made me more politically astute. Can you make me more beautiful as well? :thinking: :grumpy: :no:

Finally, please try sentences and grammar in your posts, it makes them easier to read.

PresidentWPM

01-12-2004, 11:49 PM

Br Ash, sorry i am not as clever as you politically and thank you for your inspiration. Not only have you made me a better muslim, you have also made me more politically astute. Can you make me more beautiful as well? :thinking: :grumpy: :no:

Finally, please try sentences and grammar in your posts, it makes them easier to read.
... and he calls me illitrate!

Incidentally, I was scathing about Zionists and people attacked me as if though I was a criminal. The moderator sent me an angry private message repremanding me with words like "not all Jews are bad, so apologise at once".

Brother F, said calmly that some HT people he knew are sincere. The reply: "Not all HT people are sincere". So "not all Jews are bad" and "not all HT are sincere".

Shouldn't that be "not all Jews are sincere" and "not all HT are bad"? So if you speak ill of the Jews, you'll be banned by MPACUK. If you organise a campaign against Muslims, you'll be joined by thousands if not millions!

wonder

02-12-2004, 01:33 AM

M A Patel

13-01-2005, 10:44 PM

Salaams,

I will be supporting Br Shahid Malik - as I agree with Br FBTazzer, a person who had 'brent east' taken due to speaking out against the war in Iraq.

The Irony is in that in dewsbury the people you would expect to be supporting a fellow 'anti-war' campaigner, but instead are not?

As for being the best for women,

Fraser Kemp MP, Labour's campaign spokesperson said "Neanderthal Man is
alive and well in the Yorkshire Conservative Party" after the Tories sacked
another woman candidate – the second in three months in West Yorkshire

"Ms Catling has described the campaign against her as a "witch hunt" (Daily Telegraph, 8 January). She said "I don't think I would be having any of these problems if I was a man" (Daily Mail, 14 January 2003) and today told the BBC that the Tory party was "utterly dysfunctional from the top to the bottom".

PresidentWPM

14-01-2005, 12:00 AM

Salaams,

I will be supporting Br Shahid Malik - as I agree with Br FBTazzer, a person who had 'brent east' taken due to speaking out against the war in Iraq.

The Irony is in that in dewsbury the people you would expect to be supporting a fellow 'anti-war' campaigner, but instead are not?
I'm with yah all the way. Shahid Malik has done a lot for the Muslim Community and was even beaten up by the police. He's a man of integrity and doesn't falter from his stand and belief. Very strong character and well educated too. Unlike the ****-licking Sarwar and Mahmood who let the side down every time.

Tony Blair knows that Shahid Malik will vote with his conscience and not follow the party line and still he gave him the chance. If the Party Line is crooked, then Malik is doing the Labour Party a favour by pointing it out vis-a-vis the shenanigans in Brent East.

FlipFlop

07-02-2005, 05:00 PM

There is nothing wrong with a woman not wearing a headscarf (although it is recommended)

it's not up to you mate. 'tis the (islamic) law.

In this day and age i have found that women with headscarfs are morally worse than women without.

i doubt that very much.

Khalid Bin I

07-02-2005, 05:08 PM

Salaams,

Can we get back to discussing the politics of Women please.

I think Sayeeda Warsi standa good chance but I need to know how we can help her.
There are a few brothers/sisters who would like your help in the campaign for Sayeeda Warsi in the Dewsbury area. If anyone can help plese, PM me.

Shahid Malik can do a campaign some other day but SAYEEDA is the best hope for WOMEN.

Wonder

Shocking! Muslim Woman Behind Michael Howard

Tuesday, 01 February 2005

Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative candidate is Mr Michael-I-admire-Anti-Palestinian-Israeli-Golda-Meir-Howard's special advisor on community relations and was closely involved in drafting the policy.

Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative candidate is Mr Michael-I-admire-Anti-Palestinian-Israeli-Golda-Meir-Howard's special advisor on community relations and was closely involved in drafting the policy

by Martin Shaw

Solicitor Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative prospective parliamentary candidate for Dewsbury & Mirfield, has denied the Tories new get tough policy on immigration is racist. Political opponents have attacked the Conservatives' plans to limit the number of asylum seekers allowed to settle in Britain if they win power.

The new policy, announced on Monday by Tory leader Michael Howard, say the Party intends to:

- Withdraw from the 1951 United Nations convention which obliges countries to accept people being persecuted on the basis of need, not numbers.

- Introduce laws to allow the immediate removal of asylum seekers whose claims were clearly unfounded because they came from safe countries or had destroyed documents.

- Detain asylum seekers without documents as people whose identity was not known werenot able to move freely around the UK, a worry for 'national security.'

- Stop considering asylum applications inside the UK and instead take people from United Nations refugee agency camps. Anyone applying for asylum would be taken to new centres close to their countries of origin.

- The Tories would also introduce an Australian style points system for work permits.

Mrs Warsi is Mr Michael-I-love-Golda-Meir-Howard's special advisor on community relations and was closely involved in drafting the policy. She looked at the Australian system and also discovered that Britain's ports did not have 24 hour security. "The policy is long overdue and is about common sense," she said. "It is not about race and it is a shame it has been whipped up as a race issue."

Batley & Spen Tory candidate Robert Light has also backed the policy and said: "I have no problems with genuine refugees and asylum seekers but too many people simply come to this country to take our benefits and that simply causes problems within our hard working, tax paying communities and the time has come to stop it."

This is my help for you and for those who wish to work for Mrs Warsi Michael-I-love-Golda-Meir-Howard's

Khalid Bin I

07-02-2005, 05:10 PM

VOTE SHAHID MALIK

br ash

07-02-2005, 06:47 PM

VOTE SHAHID MALIK

I have no problem with Asylum seekers or immigrants. The issue is with illegals. There are too many of those.

We have asylum seekers coming in to this country, some from Pakistan on the basis of converting to Qadinism. When they have British citizenship in the UK, they become born again Muslims. :D

We have one idiot in Manchester, who is Lib Dem, who cant speak the English language, stood for a councillor seat, won. Who happens to be an asylum seeker, if he was to be returned to Pakistan he would be killed. Now that he is a councillor he went on a visit to Pakistan recently, to attend the marriage of his son. (he said he was scared:D) To believe him, one also has to believe that Pigs do indeed fly.:D

There are thousands of such stories.

We do not hear from you, statements condemning these people, from within the Pakistani community, lying to get stay in this country on false premises. That is OK. Or should these people lose there right to stay in the UK and be deported so that more deserving people who have suffered hardship, can have stay in the UK. Yes.

The irony is biggest problem that the UK faces are immigrants form the EU, more than the Asylum seeker including the illegal asylum seekers.

The issue is very serious, if the Lib Dems, Conservative and Labour avoid the issue, they will give support to the extreme right, i.e. BNB and Veritas (your friend, Kilroys party)

The irony is Labour has agreed virtually to every thing that Conservatives have stated. The irony is the Lib Dem also were in agreement. They all used different semantics.

The only issue that they all differed on was Conservatives were limiting the intake, to set numbers, that is all.

Your demonstration is that you have no understanding of the issue at hand. The irony Godsiff, the Labour MP for Sparsbrook NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM HAS COMPLAINED. Forgot he is Labour.:D The irony is he clearly stated that majority of his constituents, who happen to be Pakistani and Bangladeshi etc, were concerned that the government were not being strict on immigration. The Irony is Kilroy even used Godsieff statement on the TV, when launching his party’s justification on the regulation of immigration and asylum seekers.

The issue of asylum is important, and has to be dealt with properly. It means restrictions. If not, you will have the rise of BNP and the ilk of Kilroy. The choice is yours. If these people get seats, in the next election, believe it or not they will make noise, and believe me you will see a mass reduction in immigration and asylum, far more than what is being proposed. The biggest losers will be the Pakistani and Bangladeshi, simply because the colour of there skins.

Salaam

Ash

PresidentWPM

08-02-2005, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Khalid Bin I
VOTE SHAHID MALIK
What are you rambling on, br Ash?

br ash

08-02-2005, 02:51 PM

What are you rambling on, br Ash?

i am not rambling on about 30% of all Labour MPs being Jewish:D:D Therfore you wont understand:D:D

Salaam

Ash

Khalid Bin I

08-02-2005, 03:01 PM

br ash

08-02-2005, 03:44 PM

I have to disagree with you Br Ash, If I was in dewsbury I would bring my Mujahids against her, but surely there are other means of getting people not to vote for her.

Shahid Malik, is a good guy, he has done alot for the Muslim community, but then again, I'm waiting for the day when she condemns the Israeli Actions against the Muslims of Palestine, that would be the day.

I have no problems with Shahid Malik, I agree with you., he has done great service, to the Muslim community., and I respect him, and consider him unique.

I am my self will vote Conservative, because that is my political philosophy, and if I lived in Dewsbury, i would vote for Sayeed Warsi.

What you came up with in your last missive, was a distortion. There are many leading Muslims with in the Labour party, who are in agreement with Asylum and immigration control. Get your facts right.

The only difference between the Conservative s and Labour/Lib Deb view is that Conservatives are limiting the numbers of Asylum seekers, and that is all. Numbers of political commentators consider the Labour presentations in some ways more extreme, than even the Conservatives. Many of the working class are Labour supporters, the biggest disgruntle about immigrants and Asylum seekers comes from this pool of voters, therefore it is logical as why Labour is more extreme on immigration and Asylum, it does not want to lose its support base.

Shahid was brought to Dewsbury, simply because Dewsbury would have gone Conservative. Shahid should have been selected many years back for Burnley, then down south. Because of the Muslim revolt against Labour he had been selected for Dewsbury., to counter it.

You said I'm waiting for the day when she condemns the Israeli Actions against the Muslims of Palestine, that would be the day

That again sad comment, again you do not know about the person, yet you make such comments and such distortions. Look at her background, look at the causes she has fought for. Then you will discover. Lets be politically involved, please lets not distort facts, like some do, like 30% of all Labour MPs happen to be Jewish:D:D:D

Salaam

Ash

Khalid Bin I

10-02-2005, 01:18 PM

Thanks for your post, but my view and I still say:

VOTE FOR SHAHID MALIK

LocalGenius

10-02-2005, 05:05 PM

VOTE FOR CHAUDRY SHAH GAGRI

COnstituency :Brownhills

More details are on the way

salam

12-02-2005, 10:26 PM

In this day and age i have found that women with headscarfs are morally worse than women without.

expalin urself, LG, plz

PresidentWPM

13-02-2005, 04:32 PM

Lets be politically involved, please lets not distort facts, like some do, like 30% of all Labour MPs happen to be Jewish:D:D:D

Salaam
Ash
So, what you're saying is that MPACUK are distorting facts, eh?

The Pres.

M A Patel

13-02-2005, 08:03 PM

Br Ash - Appears to getting emotional ? :)

M A Patel

13-02-2005, 08:24 PM

Br Ash seems to 'know her'

Look at her background, look at the causes she has fought for. Then you will discover ?

Q1. an 'immigration' soliciter ? (ps Is Howard British citizenship/passport legal if grandfather's wasn't)

Seriously, what I find is really strange is the 'high priority' given by the tories to a seat supposedly 170+ on their target list.

With Liam Fox, last summer, Mr Howard a month ago & Last week Mrs Howard pushing hard for S. Warsi, reminds me of the efforts to Stop/Block MP Gulam Sarwar sb from Glasgow.

--------

PresidentWPM

13-02-2005, 11:13 PM

Br Ash seems to 'know her'

Look at her background, look at the causes she has fought for. Then you will discover ?

Q1. an 'immigration' soliciter ? (ps Is Howard British citizenship/passport legal if grandfather's wasn't)
Warsi is a Tory and so is br Ash - cause and effect. She's standing against Shahid Malik whose dedication to Muslims and his work, the Labour Party and the Country is beyond question.

As for the Tories pushing their 170+ seat very hard is to show us that 'Golda Mier' loving Howard loves us Muslims.

As for Howard's legality, you seemed to have skipped a generation. We are told that his 'farther' had a work permit so that makes him legal. Concentrate on his gaffes, anti-Muslim, and his pro-Israeli stances.

Robert Kilroy-Silk (in the Sunday Express) started by praising Michael Howard then he shot Howard in flames towards the end thus proving that Howard is a liar or incompetent:

"What he's doing is to allow a £1000 fine to be imposed for meddling with a vehicle clamp, a £500 fine for obstructing a fire hydrant, a £20,000 fine for staging a church hall concert without a licence and a fine of £2,500 for attending a woman in childbirth if you are not a doctor or a midwife."

Good news for the fathers-to-be, they don't have to attend the childbirth - BY LAW! I think Kilro-Silk is trying to redeem himself.

The Pres.

MeanMachine

14-02-2005, 12:50 PM

There is nothing wrong with a woman not wearing a headscarf

errrr.....yes there is. she'll burn in hell (albeit, not forever like the kuffa'r). but burn non-the-less :D

maybe you should change name to localfool. :no:

LocalGenius

14-02-2005, 01:04 PM

many ppl have said that..

but it all comes down to one thing boy.. i know many sisters without scarves who are more sincere than those with scarfs on.

br ash

14-02-2005, 06:12 PM

So, what you're saying is that MPACUK are distorting facts, eh?

The Pres.

MPACUK has never stated this to me, you are the ONLY PERSON to do so.

You stated that 30% of Labour MPs are Jewish, yet you can not even name 30 Jewish Labour MPs :D:D:D:D

If you had even one ounce of any ethics or decency you would go to lengths to prove this . You do not, it shows that you are talking as usual from Khbyer pass.

Salaam

ash

Huthaifah

14-02-2005, 06:15 PM

I don't mean any offence but im getting abit sick of this line now:

You stated that 30% of Labour MPs are Jewish, yet you can not even name 30 Jewish Labour MPs

br ash

14-02-2005, 06:26 PM

Br Ash seems to 'know her'

Nothing of the sort, you make assumption.

In my earliest missives I have written a lot in favour of Shahid Malik. Does that mean i know Shahid Malik, never even met the man.

Saying that i have a folder with articles etc on Shahid activities. Demos he attended, newspaper articles etc etc etc. And on issues he has spoken on etc. etc etc.

Never make the assumption that some one knows some one.

Any body who I think will make it in politics, i open folder, watch there progress, file them away on any subject matter that comes my way, regarding these individuals.

People who i have met, spoken to, or whom i think are going to make it in politics. Includes Muslims and Non-Muslims, whom i have similar views with on certain if not all issues.

Hope that answers your questions.

Salaam

Ash

br ash

14-02-2005, 06:56 PM

I don't mean any offence but im getting abit sick of this line now:

No offence taken

Like wise, i getting sick and tired of PresWMP lying with made up figures, of 30% of all Labour MPs are Jewish.

Now he is going on about in another missive in this forum about 1% of the American population being Zionist:

In 2001 census there were 5,200,000 Jewish people living in the USA.

The population in 2001 was 283 million, that now makes the Jewish population 1.9% of the American population.

Now what does PresWMP mean 1% American Zionist?:D

Does that include, the Christian American Zionist population? Which is much higher than 5%.:D

If one has to go by the made up figures by the Preswmp, that also means that just under 50% (0.9%) of the Jewish population in America, is indeed Anti Zionist :D:D

All PresWMP comes up with, is false and made up as facts.

Now despite clearly showing in my previous missive, there is no way that 1% of the American Jewish population owns 90% of the assets in America, yet we are still bombarded with this incorrect data, in another his missive.

All this represent Anti Semitic behaviour and Not Anti Zionist.

As an Administrator you should tell PresWMP, back up his data and stop lying and misleading fellow Muslims.

Salaam

Ash

MeanMachine

15-02-2005, 10:36 AM

many ppl have said that..

but it all comes down to one thing boy.. i know many sisters without scarves who are more sincere than those with scarfs on.

so? once again, thats totally irrelevant. if they were THAT sincere they would wear their scarf and not make excuses to not wear it.

like i was saying before. its not up to anyone of us to say what is right and wrong based upon our opinions. the hijab is compulsory. you choose not to wear it, then your in sin.

do these sisters that are more sincere, wear their hijab when they pray? do they then take it off once they've finished? taking the mick, dont you think?

M A Patel

16-02-2005, 07:10 PM

Never make the assumption that some one knows some one

1) I apologise for the assumption, its just that you seem to express statements that gave rise to the aforementioned.

With the chances of a Tory gov, virtually zilch, what's the point of voting osomeone i.e Sister S. Warsi, when if you vote for Br Shahid InshaAllah you have someone who has a track record of doing work for the muslim community, in the U.K. and some areas of policy Abroad, where S. Warsi will be as ineffective as the sum of the opposition parties (tory/lib dems) put together.

opposition don't make policies, Goverments do!

M A Patel

17-02-2005, 12:47 PM

br ash

17-02-2005, 07:27 PM

e.g.

Just Announced today in the Yorkshire post, that the Debt that Dewsbury Hospital was Saddled with i.e £30 million, after its merger with has been 'paid' by the Government.

Goverments take action, opposition parties just scream 'yaa boo' , pointless

Furthermore the tories with (token asians/muslims) go about scaremongering on 'assylum & mixing it with Immigration' , how many racists will now find that it's ok to abuse/beat up, muslims and damage their property & mosques, read muslim news every now and again! 50% of muslims/asian children in a recent CBBC survey have been racially/relegiously abused/attacked etc

And in Keighley on the estates its 'SEND THEM BACK'!

You just 'wonder' what on earth & 'in the Hearafter' they hope to achieve!

Was Salaam

Goverments take action after they cause the mess, no matter who they are, in the case regarding Dewsbury Hospital, it shows as usual you do not know what you are talking about.

Opposition parties and the Labour party are going on about immigration and asylum seeker, IRONICALLY the Labour party is currently outdoing the Conservatives on how Extreme the government is taking action.

Do not forget it was the Labour that introduced the Virginity/ Apartheid test back in the 70s.

Shahid Malik told the Asian newspaper the Daily Jang: "There is much good practice that we can learn from Pakistan and Kashmir but I want to focus on the bad practice that is on occasions being imported to this country - politics is difficult enough without importing the worst practices from the Indian sub-continent."

I agree with Shahid Malik, on the above. Shahid has been reported to the Kirklees Racial Equality Council, regarding the above. Also an investigation by the Labour Party, has been called for the above. I do not know if anything has happened. Saying that I agree 100% with Shahid. There are many things that I Shahid have a similarity of opinion, that is why I like him and many Pakistani and Kashmirs would not :D

The irony is Labours Anti Immigration and asylum on paper is more extreme than the Conservatives. The only difference is that the Conservatives have put a number to the intake.

So far you have demonstrated that you do not know what you are talking about.

Salaam

Ash

wonder

18-02-2005, 01:36 AM

With the chances of a Tory gov, virtually zilch, what's the point of voting osomeone i.e Sister S. Warsi, when if you vote for Br Shahid InshaAllah you have someone who has a track record of doing work for the muslim community, in the U.K. and some areas of policy Abroad, where S. Warsi will be as ineffective as the sum of the opposition parties (tory/lib dems) put together.

You know Mr A Patel for once please thing what you are saying.

Mrs Warsi has done some work, in fact its work where every woman sadly goes through.

Thats husbands beating their wives, and she has been setting up refuge centres in Pakistan, tackling the issue of domestic violence. Ever seen a man beat his wife up? Ever seen the abuse that women suffer? For Allahs sake stop being so petty. Fight the Torys on their policies but for crying out loud lets not attack them at their personal level. If she says something stupid then by all means address her on that but your post(s) always seem to be attacking her rather than her policies.

She is a Muslim at the end of the day and whoever wins lets work with them, whether its Warsi, Shahid or whatever may the best person win I say.

Wonder

M A Patel

18-02-2005, 03:18 PM

Salaams,

I agree Sister S. warsi has done a lot for the ladies with her 'foundation', May Allah Grant her Paradise, Ameen. As someone who has lived in Dewsbury for nearly 40 years, I've not heard of much besides the aforementioned about with regards to her 'local work'.

I agree with you that the 'Hospital' mess was caused by the government, but the point was that Br Shahid 'can get things done' by having 3 meetings with John Reid, as to replying to S. Warsi saaying something 'stupid' i.e like saying to the near meaning "I wrote to John Reid' and he sent Dewsbury £30M - Reality check, please!

I thought I was discussing policies -immigration/Assylum - the 'Tories', as with all Labour are discussing immigration but it's not just the headline "Policies' & but the underlining tone i.e David Davis/Howard wanting to sit at the launch of the Steve Moxon's homeoffice whitleblower -"Lets Nuke the Holy cities' in Arabia, Howards speech "Millions of people want to come here! etc

Was Salam

sunni

07-04-2005, 03:34 AM

br ash

07-04-2005, 04:06 PM

I agree with Shahid Malik, on the above. Shahid has been reported to the Kirklees Racial Equality Council, regarding the above. Also an investigation by the Labour Party, has been called for the above. I do not know if anything has happened. Saying that I agree 100% with Shahid. There are many things that I Shahid have a similarity of opinion, that is why I like him and many Pakistani and Kashmirs would not

Aa

bro ash
ur source?????

unfortuantly i have not noted the link, but if any one does want to find it, please do a google search.

Labour activist sparks race row
By Andy McSmith, Political Editor
28 November 2004

One of Labour's leading Asian activists has launched a sweeping attack on the "small number" of Asian councillors who have not learnt English properly and operate through a clan system imported from the Indian sub-continent.

The remarks by Shahid Malik, a member of Labour's national executive, have caused a political outcry in the borough of Kirklees, West Yorkshire, where he is in line to become a Labour MP at the next election. He has been selected as the party's candidate for Dewsbury, where the sitting Labour MP, Ann Taylor, is retiring after 17 years.

Three Liberal Democrat councillors have reported Mr Malik to the Kirklees Racial Equality Council. They have also called for an investigation by the Labour Party.

Mr Malik told the Asian newspaper the Daily Jang: "There is much good practice that we can learn from Pakistan and Kashmir but I want to focus on the bad practice that is on occasions being imported to this country - politics is difficult enough without importing the worst practices from the Indian sub-continent."

He added: "I sincerely believe that the clan system is both abusive and detrimental to community development ... People ought to be supported not on the basis of their clan, religion, race or colour but on their ability to do the job and represent all the constituents in their ward. The abuse of the clan system is anti-Islamic and violates fundamental freedoms."

Mr Malik continued: "It is my contention that those best placed to carry out an elected role are those that are born and educated in this country or those that have or are able to acquire a good grasp of spoken and written English."

His comments infuriated Karam Hussain, a Liberal Democrat member of Kirklees council, who told the website Dewsburytoday: "He is saying we are not capable, but I have just been re-elected for the third time running with one of the largest majorities ever. If I am not capable, who is?

"I am very upset because he talks about us using the caste system here in the UK, which is not true.":D

Mr Malik said in an email that he stood by his remarks "100 per cent". ( I stand by him also 100%)

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My self i agree with Shad Malik on the above, the irony is and the hypocrisy is, MANY of the Labour Activist within the Labour Party, work on a similar basis. :D

If one looks even in Burnley (Shahid home), Labour Muslim operate on the same basis as to what Shahid is making a complaint about. :eek: Now that does indeed SOUND LIKE THE LANGUAGE OF THE FORKED TOUNGE.

We all know why Shahid has made this comment, simply because in Dewsbury, what happened to be EX Labour Supporters who are now Lib Dems, are carrying out precisely the same habits, they carried out when they supported the Labour party:D, only now, it effecting Shahid Maliks chances of winning, that’s all. Therefore Shahid comments.

Why do i agree with Shahid Malik on this issue, it is simple, this tribal/caste system has produced nothing other than corrupt Muslim leaders in the UK, which then produced ineffective Muslims in the Political sphere. The biggest corruption of Muslim Leaders unfortunatly happens to be with in the Labour Party, which is UNDERSTANDABLE, simply due to how the tribal / Caste system produces potential Muslim politician in the UK. Which has now passed on to the Lib Dems, due to Corrupt caste/Tribal Ex Muslims Labour voting habbit.

Saying that yes there are Muslims with in all the political parties that have suffered hardship to get where the are today. This thread is about Shaid and Warsi. If Br/ sisters want to start another thread on other Muslim Hopefuls, please do so. INFORM US, IN THIS FORUM. It is not my job to do that.

I am a Conservative I will market and support Conservative candidates. If you care about Yasmine, you would start marketing her. Saying that i wish all our Muslim Brothers and sisters who are standing in the forth coming election all the very best minus Khaild MahmoodI am sure we all want to see that low life terminated form political office. , Saying that i also have reservation against one other Labour Muslims in forth coming election, I will just leave that as a reservation.

Even Labour MPs have attacked Godseff, (If any one objects to by spelling tough). Godseff is the most useless MP. Saying that he at least did listen to his constituents, and voted against the war, despite him self agreeing with the Prime Minister with war on Iraq, unlike some Labour MPs one who happen to Oonn Phoona.

Now i have similar views and like a number of things that Shahid says, but then he does not attack Labour Muslim activist who employ the very same method of using the caste/tribal system getting elected or getting MPs elected But then we all know why that is. But then some would say that is the language of the forked tongue.

What i am interested is in Muslim community producing leaders, Shahid is one. Warsi is another. Now Yasmine may be another, if so nice one, the issue is on this thread was Shaid and Warsi,

So if Ahmed Brumiie is interested in Yasmine, then please start a thread and market her. If you are that concerned about Yasmine, please educate all of us on reasons why people in her constituencies should vote for her. I am a Conservative, that is not my problem, saying that I wish Yasmine all the best in the forth-coming election, saying that if any other Muslim is also standing against her, I also wish them the best.

Now that election is on the roll. I am now limited on what I can write and respond, so please do not be offended if I have not responded to any more queries. I work 9 hours a day, I spend the remaining being politicaly active, on the streets and………………..

Salaam

Ash

nishath_786

07-04-2005, 04:34 PM

Br_Ash

The Labour Councillors in Tower Hamlets are just as bad - all do things for their families/villages etc. All Sylhetis. Most of them can't even construct a simple sentence.

UmmZakariya

07-04-2005, 04:41 PM

http://www.mvuk.co.uk/feature.asp?type=latest&feature_type=My%20Profile

interviews with various Muslim candidates from all parties above..

br ash

07-04-2005, 04:59 PM

Br_Ash

The Labour Councillors in Tower Hamlets are just as bad - all do things for their families/villages etc. All Sylhetis. Most of them can't even construct a simple sentence.

This is what we have to change, it is important, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT EFFECTS ALL OF US, no matter what our political allegiance are.

In Manchester for example there is one, EX Labour, Asylum Seeker now Lib Dem Councillor, who needs a interpreter ( i believe, being paid for by the council :mad:

We have to produce strong leaders, who can get across the Muslim view in an articulate manner, ironically there is only one in the Labour party and that is Shahid Malik. Hopefully some more from the Conservatives, forget about the Lib Dems, they are all ex Labour rejects. :D:D:D

Salaam

Ash

Ahmed brummie

08-04-2005, 12:54 AM

unfortuantly i have not noted the link, but if any one does want to find it, please do a google search.

Labour activist sparks race row
By Andy McSmith, Political Editor
28 November 2004

One of Labour's leading Asian activists has launched a sweeping attack on the "small number" of Asian councillors who have not learnt English properly and operate through a clan system imported from the Indian sub-continent.

The remarks by Shahid Malik, a member of Labour's national executive, have caused a political outcry in the borough of Kirklees, West Yorkshire, where he is in line to become a Labour MP at the next election. He has been selected as the party's candidate for Dewsbury, where the sitting Labour MP, Ann Taylor, is retiring after 17 years.

Three Liberal Democrat councillors have reported Mr Malik to the Kirklees Racial Equality Council. They have also called for an investigation by the Labour Party.

Mr Malik told the Asian newspaper the Daily Jang: "There is much good practice that we can learn from Pakistan and Kashmir but I want to focus on the bad practice that is on occasions being imported to this country - politics is difficult enough without importing the worst practices from the Indian sub-continent."

He added: "I sincerely believe that the clan system is both abusive and detrimental to community development ... People ought to be supported not on the basis of their clan, religion, race or colour but on their ability to do the job and represent all the constituents in their ward. The abuse of the clan system is anti-Islamic and violates fundamental freedoms."

Mr Malik continued: "It is my contention that those best placed to carry out an elected role are those that are born and educated in this country or those that have or are able to acquire a good grasp of spoken and written English."

His comments infuriated Karam Hussain, a Liberal Democrat member of Kirklees council, who told the website Dewsburytoday: "He is saying we are not capable, but I have just been re-elected for the third time running with one of the largest majorities ever. If I am not capable, who is?

"I am very upset because he talks about us using the caste system here in the UK, which is not true.":D

Mr Malik said in an email that he stood by his remarks "100 per cent". ( I stand by him also 100%)

--------------------------------------------------------

My self i agree with Shad Malik on the above, the irony is and the hypocrisy is, MANY of the Labour Activist within the Labour Party, work on a similar basis. :D

If one looks even in Burnley (Shahid home), Labour Muslim operate on the same basis as to what Shahid is making a complaint about. :eek: Now that does indeed SOUND LIKE THE LANGUAGE OF THE FORKED TOUNGE.

We all know why Shahid has made this comment, simply because in Dewsbury, what happened to be EX Labour Supporters who are now Lib Dems, are carrying out precisely the same habits, they carried out when they supported the Labour party:D, only now, it effecting Shahid Maliks chances of winning, that’s all. Therefore Shahid comments.

Why do i agree with Shahid Malik on this issue, it is simple, this tribal/caste system has produced nothing other than corrupt Muslim leaders in the UK, which then produced ineffective Muslims in the Political sphere. The biggest corruption of Muslim Leaders unfortunatly happens to be with in the Labour Party, which is UNDERSTANDABLE, simply due to how the tribal / Caste system produces potential Muslim politician in the UK. Which has now passed on to the Lib Dems, due to Corrupt caste/Tribal Ex Muslims Labour voting habbit.

Saying that yes there are Muslims with in all the political parties that have suffered hardship to get where the are today. This thread is about Shaid and Warsi. If Br/ sisters want to start another thread on other Muslim Hopefuls, please do so. INFORM US, IN THIS FORUM. It is not my job to do that.

I am a Conservative I will market and support Conservative candidates. If you care about Yasmine, you would start marketing her. Saying that i wish all our Muslim Brothers and sisters who are standing in the forth coming election all the very best minus Khaild MahmoodI am sure we all want to see that low life terminated form political office. , Saying that i also have reservation against one other Labour Muslims in forth coming election, I will just leave that as a reservation.

Even Labour MPs have attacked Godseff, (If any one objects to by spelling tough). Godseff is the most useless MP. Saying that he at least did listen to his constituents, and voted against the war, despite him self agreeing with the Prime Minister with war on Iraq, unlike some Labour MPs one who happen to Oonn Phoona.

Now i have similar views and like a number of things that Shahid says, but then he does not attack Labour Muslim activist who employ the very same method of using the caste/tribal system getting elected or getting MPs elected But then we all know why that is. But then some would say that is the language of the forked tongue.

What i am interested is in Muslim community producing leaders, Shahid is one. Warsi is another. Now Yasmine may be another, if so nice one, the issue is on this thread was Shaid and Warsi,

So if Ahmed Brumiie is interested in Yasmine, then please start a thread and market her. If you are that concerned about Yasmine, please educate all of us on reasons why people in her constituencies should vote for her. I am a Conservative, that is not my problem, saying that I wish Yasmine all the best in the forth-coming election, saying that if any other Muslim is also standing against her, I also wish them the best.

Now that election is on the roll. I am now limited on what I can write and respond, so please do not be offended if I have not responded to any more queries. I work 9 hours a day, I spend the remaining being politicaly active, on the streets and………………..

Salaam

Ash

Dear brotehr ash

You have told a number of untruths - my barrister training will for once now come in use!

Please prove me wrong and I will apologise.

Look forward to being shot down in flames.

waiting...........................

br ash

08-04-2005, 02:16 PM

Sorry mate i not bothered about your barrister training :D

But saying that, your barrister training must need retraining :D as you have had your post edited. Could not help on that one. LOL

My post can be edited any time, as i am not a barrister :D and neither claim to be one :D

PEACE

Salaam

Ash

br ash

08-04-2005, 02:30 PM

Shahid Maliks, troops on the ground that have covered Anglo Saxon areas, where BNP have support, saying that Shahid is strict of Immigration.

Now lets look at the reasons why they are saying this?

In the last local elections, the BNP gained approx. 24% of the vote in that area, this was mainly ex Labour voters. In the last local elections the Lib Dems got similar percentage, AGAIN many EX Labour voters. All of these happen to be people who voted for Labour in the last general elections, who are not voting Labour this time round.

One can see the predicament that poor Shahid is in, and one can easily see as to why some of his troops are given the impression as to why Shahid is strict on immigration. He is not going to win a percentage of the Anglo Saxon Vote, he needs to get elected.

Now lets look at the Muslim vote:

The biggest blunder that Shahid has made was that attacked the Lib Dem clans method of voting, the very method his friends like Khalid Mahmood and fellow Labour veterans like Roger Godseff also uses, to get ellected. The very Clan method he complains about in Dewsbury. This has alienated a LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE EX Labour voters in DEWSBURY, AGAINST HIM. Only Shahid responsible for this blunder, no one else.

And for the sake of PEACE, Roger Godsef is NOT Shahids pal:D

I can only come to the conclusion, based on what I have heard from Labour supporters on the ground. Nothing more nothing less.

Salaam

Ash

bashirm

23-04-2005, 03:02 PM

Br_Ash is right, you should have more respect for women, calling her babe and demeaning her shows your lack of respect for women. Your sexual innuendo's are also unacceptable. And your comment that we already have too many "holier than thou" Muslims is downright stupid. You probably mean Muslims who are more practicing and educated than you, as you obviously don't know much about Islam if you call any women "babe". I get the idea (somehow) from that comment, that you are a middle-aged, fat, bald, sweating and the dirty raincoat type of weirdo. Btw, don't take offense as I'm just trying to bring a little brevity to the debate.

And, to Br_Ash: Why is Kalhid Mahmoud a "scumbag"?