Pakistan acts like a dog

[FractionMan]

Pakistan acts like a dog...

http://img208.echo.cx/img208/6637/washingtontimes7ft.jpg

...gets upset when called a dog

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4533247.stm

[Yahya]

It is amazing to me that the cartoonist thought it was a compliment to call Pakistan America's dog. Is that the highest praise now in Washington?

I also couldn't believe all this "cultural gap" nonsense he came out with. Like he really didn't know it was insulting. Like Americans think calling someone a lapdog is high praise. I mean, when people called Bliar Bush's poodle, it wasn't a compliment.

The truth is the cartoonist revealed he, and the whole Washington elite, think of their Mulsim allies.

[FractionMan]

Yahya, I dont see why calling Pakistan a dog is offensive...really...

I throw a bone, the dog runs and fetches it...

USA tell Pakistan to hunt down Al-Qaeda, Pakistan hunts...

What is so offensive about that?

[br ash]

There are a number of American who want to see the so called alliance between Pakistan and America fall apart. They are mainly the Pro Indian and Pro Zionist lobby.

They by depicting Pakistan in such a manner riots might occur, thereby rasing Anti American feelings.

Note that when America was trying to get Sadam out of Kuwait through diplomatic channels, majority of the American press insulted Sadam through many different caricature. The reason behind this was to insult him that much that he would be forced into corner. Such a corner that he would be forced to remain in Kuwait. Therefore America would then have the opportunity to liberate Kuwait.

My personal opinion Osama Bin Laden is dead. Simply on the basis none of the videos that have been produced, can 100% confirm that he is alive. Even the last video that came out at the time of the American election, can not be certified 100% not even 50%.

Far as I am concerned America needs an enemy to pursue its war on Terror, policy. An alive Osama Bin Laden is far more important than a dead Osama Bin Laden.

Yes there are elements of Al Qadia, they are of no significant threat, if they are, only to Pakistan.



Salaam


ash

[barodate]

My personal opinion Osama Bin Laden is dead. Simply on the basis none of the videos that have been produced, can 100% confirm that he is alive. Even the last video that came out at the time of the American election, can not be certified 100% not even 50%.



MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!! ROFL!

Oh man im gettin stitches! Oh dear god my sides have actually split OPEN!

ok ok....... caaaalm down... one sec let me have a puff of tha spliff.... aaaahhhhhh..

ok if you havent seen any of his videos lately you are looking in the wrong place.... And if he died wouldnt al qaida release videos about the new leader??? and trust me... america cant stop me from watching the vides, i get them from a solid source.... if he did die.. trust me, i would tell you...

[br ash]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!! ROFL!

Oh man im gettin stitches! Oh dear god my sides have actually split OPEN!

ok ok....... caaaalm down... one sec let me have a puff of tha spliff.... aaaahhhhhh..

ok if you havent seen any of his videos lately you are looking in the wrong place.... And if he died wouldnt al qaida release videos about the new leader??? and trust me... america cant stop me from watching the vides, i get them from a solid source.... if he did die.. trust me, i would tell you...


You got me in stiches:D

You and your solid source:D

You convinced me, Cows can indeed fly:D

He is dead. Al Qadi, is no longer any significance. Lets put it this way had he been alive he would not have made any contact with any of his fellow. Why, how would he know that, the person in question is not a turncoat or being monitored.

On this basis, no body would know that he is either dead or a alive.

There is no evidence that he is alive. 99.99% sure, he is dead. When the first video came CIA is stated that it was Al Qadi, a European analyst, said looking at the past videos, this Osma is only using 30% of the phrases that he normally uses. Also one can not conclude anything. Ironically all the other videos that have come out since, are even less of what Osama normally says.

I will give you an example, when the Russians, accidentally shot down a air liner, approx. 25 years plus. America had evidence, they edited the transcript, simply to put the blame on Russia, simply to put pressure on Russia, for the SALT treaty. This came out 5 years ago, in journal.




Sallam


Ash

[Ahqar]

Yahya, I dont see why calling Pakistan a dog is offensive...really...

I throw a bone, the dog runs and fetches it...

USA tell Pakistan to hunt down Al-Qaeda, Pakistan hunts...

What is so offensive about that?


Yes and no doubt they will 'put down' this mongrel once it has been used.

America doesn't want allies. Only slaves and dogs.

When Pakistan is of no more use to them they will go in and bomb it just like Iraq.

After all you can't let Muslim dictators go around in possession of Nuclear bombs now can you ???????

[Rabbit]

Pakistan acts like a dog...

http://img208.echo.cx/img208/6637/washingtontimes7ft.jpg

...gets upset when called a dog

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4533247.stm


"Either you're with us or against us"

What are you supposed to do?

Rabbit

[abdulmojid]

that cartoon is telling nothing but truth.


"Either you're with us or against us"

What are you supposed to do?


do whats right, and busharaff aint doing it.

[Rabbit]

that cartoon is telling nothing but truth.



do whats right, and busharaff aint doing it.

Please enlighten us to what that is? "Busharaff" has NO other choice in this matter but to go along with the USA, and this is bringing invaluable economic benefits.

GRabbit

[barodate]

You got me in stiches:D

You and your solid source:D

You convinced me, Cows can indeed fly:D

He is dead. Al Qadi, is no longer any significance. Lets put it this way had he been alive he would not have made any contact with any of his fellow. Why, how would he know that, the person in question is not a turncoat or being monitored.

On this basis, no body would know that he is either dead or a alive.

There is no evidence that he is alive. 99.99% sure, he is dead. When the first video came CIA is stated that it was Al Qadi, a European analyst, said looking at the past videos, this Osma is only using 30% of the phrases that he normally uses. Also one can not conclude anything. Ironically all the other videos that have come out since, are even less of what Osama normally says.

I will give you an example, when the Russians, accidentally shot down a air liner, approx. 25 years plus. America had evidence, they edited the transcript, simply to put the blame on Russia, simply to put pressure on Russia, for the SALT treaty. This came out 5 years ago, in journal.




Sallam


Ash


Ok you dont have to believe me on my solid source... although you dont know what ure rejectin...

bin laden keeps in contact with people he trusts... i mean what the hell you think tawhid wal jihad is?

Tawhid wal jihad changed their name to Qaidatul Jihad fi Bilad ir Rafidain (the leaders of jihad in the city of two branches/rivers)

You know why? Because Abu Musab has good relations with BIN LADEN. And he sent letters to bin laden as well... and once again i say this... why didnt any of his resistance groups mention his death?? Like i said... i get these videos literally second hand... i get them before the news does.... and no group has mentioned anything... and like i said... bin laden HAS released speeches etc...

[Raashid]

I hope he is alive to return triumphantly as Caliph when the al-Sauds and/or Musharraf are toppled. My guess is, in around 6-8 years the US will be driven from Iraq, bankrupted largely due to the efforts of "Al-Qaeda in the Land Between the Two Rivers", may Allah reward them. Wouldn't that be a great final humiliation if their aggression leads to the very scenario they were trying to avoid.
As for Rabbits claim that what can Musharraf do in light of America's ultimatum, well they're a nuclear power and can make their own threats, they can form alliances with Iran, they can flood Iraq and Afghanistan with weapons to be used against the US and their allies. But as usual, like all these Muslim rulers they have no strategic sense and just do as they're told and then wonder why they're getting bombed when they've outlived their usefulness.

[khilafah4islam]

Please enlighten us to what that is? "Busharaff" has NO other choice in this matter but to go along with the USA, and this is bringing invaluable economic benefits.

GRabbit

Yoy hold onto your deen and do not seek benefits at the expense of the deen. Musharraf can not justify his position or policies islamically. He is just among the long list of tyrants who see Islam as an obstacle not a solution!!!

"Allah forbids your friendship with those who fight you because of your faith, and drive you from your homelands, or aid others to do so; and as for those who turn to them in friendship, they are truly wrongdoers" {TMQ 60:9}.

[br ash]

Ok you dont have to believe me on my solid source... although you dont know what ure rejectin...

bin laden keeps in contact with people he trusts... i mean what the hell you think tawhid wal jihad is?

Tawhid wal jihad changed their name to Qaidatul Jihad fi Bilad ir Rafidain (the leaders of jihad in the city of two branches/rivers)

You know why? Because Abu Musab has good relations with BIN LADEN. And he sent letters to bin laden as well... and once again i say this... why didnt any of his resistance groups mention his death?? Like i said... i get these videos literally second hand... i get them before the news does.... and no group has mentioned anything... and like i said... bin laden HAS released speeches etc...


LOL Sure i believe you, like i have said, you convinced me that Cows can indeed fly.:D:D:D:D


Salaam


Ash

[FractionMan]

Barodate, heh, your solid source is intriguing. If it really was solid you would have protected it and not show it of like that. But its obvious that your statement is to show off and similar to an act of a teenager.

I personally don't blame Br Ash for his scepticism...how can you claim to know exactly if binny boy is alive, i suppose you know where he is too...hehehe..

[barodate]

Barodate, heh, your solid source is intriguing. If it really was solid you would have protected it and not show it of like that. But its obvious that your statement is to show off and similar to an act of a teenager.

I personally don't blame Br Ash for his scepticism...how can you claim to know exactly if binny boy is alive, i suppose you know where he is too...hehehe..


First off im not 'showing off' because if you knew me at all you would know i dont hide things for the sake of not getting arrested.

I dont care what you think about me telling every1 about my source...

And i can claim that he is alive BECAUSE HE RELEASE BLOODY FLIPPIN' VIDEO TAPES THATS HOW!!! Jeeez! No one listens anymore...

And I DO know where he is too, you know why?? Because it says so at the bottom of his speeches :P (so we can see that binladen isnt afraid of being arrested either :P)

[barodate]

LOL Sure i believe you, like i have said, you convinced me that Cows can indeed fly.


Salaam


Ash

:rolleyes:

Yes well done br ash it take you a long time to think of this reply?? When did you get to sleep? 2? 2:30?

As we can see you havent found anyway to disprove me when i was talking about abu musabs relations with al qaeda.

Heres something for you to read:

http://www.naasalansar.com/main/article.php?story=20050413202713441

Oh yes i almost forgot...


Tell me... where did those videos come from? his speeches? Were they all doctored by the one big conspiracy we are living in? Are we in a matrix??

[FractionMan]

Bro Barodate don't be mad at me, I'm just pointing out something you fail to see...

neither you nor any of your "so solid sources" can claim to know where he is...heh, anyway, i'm jumping from this thread, before it degrades into a childish exchange of insults

[barodate]

jump away my friend... but like i said... it says at the bottom of his videos written in arabic where he is.. its no secret :confused:

[barodate]

Oh and im not mad... sorry i shouted... jus a bit frustrated

[br ash]

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Yes well done br ash it take you a long time to think of this reply?? When did you get to sleep? 2? 2:30?

As we can see you havent found anyway to disprove me when i was talking about abu musabs relations with al qaeda.

Heres something for you to read:

http://www.naasalansar.com/main/article.php?story=20050413202713441

Oh yes i almost forgot...


Tell me... where did those videos come from? his speeches? Were they all doctored by the one big conspiracy we are living in? Are we in a matrix??

If one has to go by your statements, you defiantly are living in the matrix.:D

Lastly You and your binny boy:D (Nice one FractionMan). Technology exist such, that from a collection of existing videos one can easily manipulate them to say something else.

Like i have said many of the Videos that have been produced, are not conclusive.

Taliban had its victories in Afghanistan, because of Pakistan’s support, Intel, Military training etc. They do not have it any more, guess what they have no chance of ever getting resurrected again, other than in Taliban Comic books. Al Qadia was dependant upon Taliban. Taliban does no longer exist, neither does Al Qadi, apart from in comic books produced by HT and there ilk:D:D



Salaam


Ash

[barodate]

If one has to go by your statements, you defiantly are living in the matrix.:D

Lastly You and your binny boy:D (Nice one FractionMan). Technology exist such, that from a collection of existing videos one can easily manipulate them to say something else.

Like i have said many of the Videos that have been produced, are not conclusive.

Taliban had its victories in Afghanistan, because of Pakistan’s support, Intel, Military training etc. They do not have it any more, guess what they have no chance of ever getting resurrected again, other than in Taliban Comic books. Al Qadia was dependant upon Taliban. Taliban does no longer exist, neither does Al Qadi, apart from in comic books produced by HT and there ilk:D:D



Salaam


Ash

I dont think you know what youre talking about.

I think you are only making these statements out of the knowledge you have now.

What evidence do you have that most of the videos are inconclusive? None. Have you ever seen any of these videos?

And if you think that Al-Qaeda relied on Taliban then this just confirms my beliefs in your dodgy understanding. You really need to research this. And try watching some of the videos, it would be good to know what you are talking about.

[Rabbit]

Yoy hold onto your deen and do not seek benefits at the expense of the deen. Musharraf can not justify his position or policies islamically. He is just among the long list of tyrants who see Islam as an obstacle not a solution!!!

"Allah forbids your friendship with those who fight you because of your faith, and drive you from your homelands, or aid others to do so; and as for those who turn to them in friendship, they are truly wrongdoers" {TMQ 60:9}.

Regardless of how much I hate the U.S., Musharaff either had a choice of going with the U.S. or against it. Going against the US would have resulted in the complete decimation of Pakistan. Simple as that. This is not about friendship, but survival.

Rabbit

[barodate]

Regardless of how much I hate the U.S., Musharaff either had a choice of going with the U.S. or against it. Going against the US would have resulted in the complete decimation of Pakistan. Simple as that. This is not about friendship, but survival.

Rabbit


Hmm you may be right there

but no matter how difficult things are you have to stand up for whats RIGHT... not for your own survival...

For example the prophet and his men when islam was first revealed and they were persecuted in makkah... they were torturing them etc... but they never gave in...

So basically if he is the leader of the country then he is in a position of responsibility... you must accept the responsibility and stand up for what is right...

Although pakistan allowing them didnt matter either... because the pipeline for the natural gas etc was already in place cos musharraf is a stupid git....

Thats the only reason they wanted to take Afghanistan... they killed so many just to finish a freaking pipeline... very sad....

[br ash]

I dont think you know what youre talking about.

I think you are only making these statements out of the knowledge you have now.

What evidence do you have that most of the videos are inconclusive? None. Have you ever seen any of these videos?

And if you think that Al-Qaeda relied on Taliban then this just confirms my beliefs in your dodgy understanding. You really need to research this. And try watching some of the videos, it would be good to know what you are talking about.

It is a well-known fact that majority of the success that the Taliban and Al Qadi success in Afghanstan were based on the support that they received from Pakistan, i.e. Intel etc. They got money, hardware etc, this was supplied by via Pakistan. When the CIA in the days of the Russian invasion Afghanistan, it all came via Pakistan Military.

Taliban and Al Qadi do not have that any more support form the Pakistan Military, they are history. They do not have any support any more, what is left will most likely diminish over time, which there is very little as of now any way.

Even in the west, Al Qadi was hyped as a major threat, it was not. Just like the hype in the first Gulf War when Iraq was considered the a lethal armed force. It was hilarious when America was making out that they were going to expect major causalities, when they released news, that the American Military had ordered 1000s of body bags:D All this was to make Sadam feel that his barmy army was a considerable a threat:D. The West went on about the Elite Republican Guards :D in Guld War I. They went on about the Elite Republican Guard in Gulf War II:D Yes.

In the same manner America went on about Al Qadi as a significant threat. They over stated there opponents, that is all, you want to fall for the American Propaganda that is your choice, its a free world.

India has blamed Pakistan, on number of terrorist act in India, when ironically these were carried out by Non Muslim Indian. There are over 20 major non Muslim Terrorist organisation in India.

Pakistan has blamed Al Qadi, when ironically these action have been carried out by Non Al Qadia groups.

In Iraq, this so called Jordan who is supposedly Al Qadi main man in Iraq, claimed a number of Actions. Ironically they are thousand of individual groups who go about causing havoc. Anything that is big, this Jordan Group claims. Like when Palestine are fighting against the occupation, number of times, four or five different groups claim responsibility, for the same attack..

Unless there is conclusive evidence, which you have not, consider all the evidence as false. Believe it or not, if you have access to these videos, so does your Uncle Sam, they pay lots of dosh for any data that would lead to the capture on any remnants of Al Qadi. Like I have said there is no evidence that Binny is alive, other than in HT/Taliban comic books.

Salaam


Ash

[barodate]

It is a well-known fact that majority of the success that the Taliban and Al Qadi success in Afghanstan were based on the support that they received from Pakistan, i.e. Intel etc. They got money, hardware etc, this was supplied by via Pakistan. When the CIA in the days of the Russian invasion Afghanistan, it all came via Pakistan Military.

Yes very well known :rolleyes:
Actually taliban were the government and al qaeda is the group that stayed there...
And it doesnt matter whether pakistan stopped funding them or not... because just like in chechnya, they made do with home made weapons and still are kicking russian ass.


Taliban and Al Qadi do not have that any more support form the Pakistan Military, they are history. They do not have any support any more, what is left will most likely diminish over time, which there is very little as of now any way.

LOL ok just cos they didnt get support from pakistan means they are history? they have something called FAITH driving them forward. THey have Islam behind them... Ive seen Bradley Tanks get ripped apart, and how? By the home made missle launched by the mujahideen. So pakistan and busharraf isnt needed.


Even in the west, Al Qadi was hyped as a major threat, it was not. Just like the hype in the first Gulf War when Iraq was considered the a lethal armed force. It was hilarious when America was making out that they were going to expect major causalities, when they released news, that the American Military had ordered 1000s of body bags All this was to make Sadam feel that his barmy army was a considerable a threat. The West went on about the Elite Republican Guards :D in Guld War I. They went on about the Elite Republican Guard in Gulf War II:D Yes.

What does this have to do with whether OBL is alive??


In Iraq, this so called Jordan who is supposedly Al Qadi main man in Iraq, claimed a number of Actions. Ironically they are thousand of individual groups who go about causing havoc. Anything that is big, this Jordan Group claims. Like when Palestine are fighting against the occupation, number of times, four or five different groups claim responsibility, for the same attack..

Once again i have given you proof that he is the main man and yet you are saying he isnt without any evidence.

Secondly, in all the palestinian videos as well as news that i have seen.. i havent seen a single one where two groups claim to for one attack. Unless they worked in collaboration. Another thing you have to provide proof for.


Unless there is conclusive evidence, which you have not, consider all the evidence as false. Believe it or not, if you have access to these videos, so does your Uncle Sam, they pay lots of dosh for any data that would lead to the capture on any remnants of Al Qadi. Like I have said there is no evidence that Binny is alive, other than in HT/Taliban comic books.


Ok first of all i HAVE provided evidence... i have loads of videos in which it shows bin laden so i can confirm he is alive... unless ofcourse agent smith doctored the videos :rolleyes:

Secondly im not saying americans dont have access to the videos... (not that it matters whether they do in the first place) but i generally get them before they do.... hell i got the bigely execution a few days before the news/government reported it....

PS: You dont have to be HT to support Al-Qaeda.. your obsession with them is really running my nerves thin

PPS: I ask again have you ever even seen one of the videos?