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IslamicHope

27-04-2005, 11:47 AM

Why was Omar Bakri thrown out of HT?

Firsly he didn't bring HT to the UK, HT was here long before him among mainly arabs. On 11th April 1980 a Libyan HT member (Mohammed Ramadhan) a BBC journalist was assasinated in the 80's in regents park mosque, by Qadafi's secret police. This was long before Omar bakri came to the UK.
See his photo here: http://members.tripod.com/sijill/victims/
and an article here: http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/january03_index.php?l=43%82%22=0

Official: Omar Bakri's membership was suspended after many warnings, and for ignoring (and at times hiding) communiques from the shiekhs in charge of HT globally asking HT UK to rectify their stance & style on certain issues. While he was suspended pending internal investigation, & discipline procedures, it was agreed he will be expelled from HT. He got wind that this was coming, so he left while the messenger was on the way to expell him, so he declared that he was 'leaving' HT. LOL!

This is why looni's who follow him, try to save his face by saying he wasn't kicked out of HT! In reality he was booted after many warnings, and pick on a technicality to argue otherwise. (I Had family members who had family members dealing with this in the mid-90's - I am not HT myself, but i personally spoke to Bakri about this whole affair when it happened)

Why is Omar Bakri continuing to live in a nation that he considers satanic?

To be fair, he doesn't consider the nation satanic, he says that the west (a euphomism for it's capitalism) in general, is materialistic, capitalist, racist, islamophobic and at war with the Muslims. The UK gov & foriegn office are at war with Muslims, e.g. in Iraq, so he hates the government, not the green pastures here, or the land and its working people. This is gods earth, and we are entitled to live anywhere we want, so long as we don't steal the land we live on, and respectively abide by Islamic law.

Why does the Israeli Government never seem to mention him as an enemy of Israel?

They have done sometimes, to justify a rise in anti-semitism, but he is very insignificant, so they don't bother, he is only a threat to Muslims. They instead & by implication hype up al-qaida

Where does the SaviourSect.org.uk originate from?

They morphed into this thinking by allying themselves with al-qaida. So in a way, al-qaida, and by consequnce the savior sect, are a result of

1) the soviet invasion of afghanistan (which by the way our friend galloway supported & still defends)
2) Wahabism nurtured by sir percy cox et al & the british empire
3) The CIA & saudi sponsoring the most extreme forms of wahabism in afghanistan to fight the soviets
4) The Saudi & Pakistani Governments using & abusing the mujahideen, supporting & betraying them,leading them to be more & more estranged & to a path of violence beyond just defending afghanistan
5) Omar Bakri jumping on the al-qaida bandwagon after 9/11 hoping to get more media attention, as he changes his spots to suit the tabloids

Who are they doing the battle against?

Not everyone, only Muslim "apostates", deviants, Sunni Muslims who follow a school of thought, etc etc standard wahabi stuff

Who are they fighting for?

They believe they are fighting for Allah, to gain the minds of the Muslims. In reality, many fight for thier own egoes, and primarily for omar bakris ideas.

WHERE IS OMAR BAKRI 'NOW'?

North London, in his amrchair, giving a webinar on how the hanafi's ( and generally sunni's) are murji'a for saying the aqeeda and actions are seperate, if you don;t perform your salah, doesn't make you a kafir , and the shafi'is are ashari deviants, to his 23 groupies.

NNA2001

27-04-2005, 01:53 PM

Why was Omar Bakri thrown out of HT?

Why is Omar Bakri continuing to live in a nation that he considers satanic?

Why does the Israeli Government never seem to mention him as an enemy of Israel?

Where does the Saviour Sect originate from?

Who are they doing the battle against?

Who are they fighting for?

WHERE IS OMAR BAKRI 'NOW'?

why dont you go to his house and ask him these seven q's. he will give you the best answer, i am sure. some people in this forum know where he resides but make sure you get the door number correct though.

br ash

27-04-2005, 03:07 PM

Why was Omar Bakri thrown out of HT?

Who are they fighting for?

WHERE IS OMAR BAKRI 'NOW'?

you asked Who is Omar Bakri fighting for. Simple and highly factual answer. STATE BENEFITS:D:D

you asked Where is Omar Bakri? He stuffing himself and his family with Haram income:D:D

Salaam

Ash

JIHADI-JEDI

27-04-2005, 07:50 PM

why dont you go to his house and ask him these seven q's. he will give you the best answer, i am sure. some people in this forum know where he resides but make sure you get the door number correct though.

ASH
you asked Who is Omar Bakri fighting for. Simple and highly factual answer. STATE BENEFITS

you asked Where is Omar Bakri? He stuffing himself and his family with Haram income

NNA2001 - thanks I have his phone numbers and know where he lives and can ask him but i don't bother in case because he is SOOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOONYTOONIC! - rather i let the brothers and sisters find their own conclusions. :D

ASH - Bro, I think your right! :thinking:

But I still think he is the best thing that could have happened for Mossad! :grumble:

UmmZakariya

27-04-2005, 07:59 PM

some guy called rogue is posting about Bakri on front page he says he has infiltrated Saviour sect!

here are one of his posts entertaining reading:

omar bakri
Written by rogue on 2005-04-27 09:27:32
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Answer to your question is obvious :

Omar bakri appeared in the Uk 3 decades ago his original name was Omar Folkstone, which he changed to Omar Bakri Mohammed his pseudo name amongst his followers is 'obm' and was orginally used in his HT days.

He orginally started out with a printing press 'business' that published all the black and white leaflets Ht and muhajiroun used to give out.

He then made a claim that he injured his leg at 'work' and began claiming disability allowance.

This was and is in excess of £250 tax free per week.

This allowed him to tour the country doing talks everywhere for HT and al muhajiroun.

His current name being used on the website and fatwas is Abu muhammed ash shamsi

He claims he is from Syria and other times he has claimed he was from Lebanon.

He has in the past ran his website 'obm clara .net'

now his latest project is to sub divided the orginal al muhajiroun to smallers units.

PLEASE UNDER STAND THE FOLLOWING

Omar bakri has realised that to operate through the name of a group allows him to be side lined AND this DOES NOT CAUSE THE MAXIMUM DAMAGE TO MUSLIMS AS WHOLE,

SINCE MUSLIMS CAN SAY ITS JUST THAT GROUP.

SO HIS LATEST STRATGEY IS TO PRETEND THAT PEOPLE CAUSING DISRUPTION ARE MUSLIMS FROM THE GENERAL POPULTAION.

This is a deeply sinister plan and shows how his mind works.
It shows also what he wants to do to muslims.

His general overheads remain small he is running closed halaqahs for the saviour sect guys, website, and using print press to print the leaflets.

He has now decided he will keep away from the spot light because people began to realise it was all his doing.
So he will now hide and grind his organ while his monkeys dance.

Omar Bakri is a key tool in the weaponary against muslims in the UK., he is trying to destroy all constructive work and cause maximum disruption and divison amongst muslims/ and organizations.

He is not a scholar and is a fake.

As i have mentioned in my other posts i am working within the group he is instructing and he doesnt know it, he thinks i am one of his key guys, i should win an oscar for my acting, if you watch the footage of the mcb raid, i am in there!

JIHADI-JEDI

27-04-2005, 08:50 PM

Or is it Joshua Folkstone hailing from the Mossad - The Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks in Israel!

Those Savioursect monkeys need to get full labotomies if they don't question this leech the backs of British Muslims and on the UK taxpayer!

br ash

27-04-2005, 08:53 PM

some guy called rogue is posting about Bakri on front page he says he has infiltrated Saviour sect!

here are one of his posts entertaining reading:

HT and the other lunatic organisation do not realise that there is a 99.99% chance they will have inside man, of the UK, American if not Israel.

If one cares to read the news, carefully, when a Missile nearly shot down an Israeli Airline in Africa few years back, Sharon made a statement, sending out a message, if need be he would activate, sleeper cells in countries like Saudi Arabia to seek revenge. As the attack on the Airliner was supposedly Al Qadia.

Secondly, let us not forget, back in Palestine, after the Oslo peace accord was signed, it was in the newspaper that Number of Israeli Jews, who infiltrated the Arab community. They were even married to Muslim women, prayed 5 times a day, number of them even new parts of the Quran off by heart, so as to legitimise there cover. Number of them were inside the PLO, Hammas etc. Thereby being able to supply intel.

I would not be surprised if one of these Israeli was not inside HT, Saviour sect etc.

One thing was that many of the Arab women who were married to these Israeli Jews, were offered Israel citizen, simply when people realised that they were married to Israeli Jews, they most likely would have been killed, by fellow Muslims. One last point, at least one Arab women converted to Judaism, as she wanted to remain with her husband.

The irony would be that, an Jewish Israeli undercover, leading namaz, in HT and there ilk.:D:D:D:D

Salaam

Ash

Illuminate

27-04-2005, 09:15 PM

some guy called rogue is posting about Bakri on front page he says he has infiltrated Saviour sect!

here are one of his posts entertaining reading:

Entertaining indeed..........where is he posting this please

IslamicHope

28-04-2005, 09:51 AM

1) The guy called rogue is fraud. Among many other factual istakes, Bakris name is not folkstone (english sounding) it is omar bakri al-fostok. Although I agree loonis are looni, lets not criticise in ways that are not Islamic, meaning factually incorrect, and go to extremes by implying he is an agent of the kafir, that makes us similar to him when he calls muslims kaafir. I think it is irresponsible to be alamist and sensationalist, quoting people who are of doubtful or unknown origin claiming to be someone, when thier facts are so obviously wrong for anyone that knows anything about bakri beyond his fiery stupid statements. Like I said....

Why was Omar Bakri thrown out of HT?

Firsly he didn't bring HT to the UK, HT was here long before him among mainly arabs. On 11th April 1980 a Libyan HT member (Mohammed Ramadhan) a BBC journalist was assasinated in the 80's in regents park mosque, by Qadafi's secret police. This was long before Omar bakri came to the UK.
See his photo here: http://members.tripod.com/sijill/victims/
and an article here: http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthem...hp?l=43%82%22=0 (http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/january03_index.php?l=43%82%22=0)

Official: Omar Bakri's membership was suspended after many warnings, and for ignoring (and at times hiding) communiques from the shiekhs in charge of HT globally asking HT UK to rectify their stance & style on certain issues. While he was suspended pending internal investigation, & discipline procedures, it was agreed he will be expelled from HT. He got wind that this was coming, so he left while the messenger was on the way to expell him, so he declared that he was 'leaving' HT. LOL!

This is why looni's who follow him, try to save his face by saying he wasn't kicked out of HT! In reality he was booted after many warnings, and pick on a technicality to argue otherwise. (I Had family members who had family members dealing with this in the mid-90's - I am not HT myself, but i personally spoke to Bakri about this whole affair when it happened)

Why is Omar Bakri continuing to live in a nation that he considers satanic?

To be fair, he doesn't consider the nation satanic, he says that the west (a euphomism for it's capitalism) in general, is materialistic, capitalist, racist, islamophobic and at war with the Muslims. The UK gov & foriegn office are at war with Muslims, e.g. in Iraq, so he hates the government, not the green pastures here, or the land and its working people. This is gods earth, and we are entitled to live anywhere we want, so long as we don't steal the land we live on, and respectively abide by Islamic law.

Why does the Israeli Government never seem to mention him as an enemy of Israel?

They have done sometimes, to justify a rise in anti-semitism, but he is very insignificant, so they don't bother, he is only a threat to Muslims. They instead & by implication hype up al-qaida

Where does the SaviourSect.org.uk originate from?

They morphed into this thinking by allying themselves with al-qaida. So in a way, al-qaida, and by consequnce the savior sect, are a result of

1) the soviet invasion of afghanistan (which by the way our friend galloway supported & still defends)
2) Wahabism nurtured by sir percy cox et al & the british empire
3) The CIA & saudi sponsoring the most extreme forms of wahabism in afghanistan to fight the soviets
4) The Saudi & Pakistani Governments using & abusing the mujahideen, supporting & betraying them,leading them to be more & more estranged & to a path of violence beyond just defending afghanistan
5) Omar Bakri jumping on the al-qaida bandwagon after 9/11 hoping to get more media attention, as he changes his spots to suit the tabloids

Who are they doing the battle against?

Not everyone, only Muslim "apostates", deviants, Sunni Muslims who follow a school of thought, etc etc standard wahabi stuff

Who are they fighting for?

They believe they are fighting for Allah, to gain the minds of the Muslims. In reality, many fight for thier own egoes, and primarily for omar bakris ideas.

WHERE IS OMAR BAKRI 'NOW'?

North London, in his amrchair, giving a webinar on how the hanafi's ( and generally sunni's) are murji'a for saying the aqeeda and actions are seperate, if you don;t perform your salah, doesn't make you a kafir , and the shafi'is are ashari deviants, to his 23 groupies

REGARDING THE FACT THAT THEY MAYBE INFILTRATED, that would be more likely for those groups that are a serious threat, not insignificant. I suspect MPAC, MCB, MAB, & HT are more likely to be infiltrated, but it a possiblity within all groups, and does not make them less Islamic generally, even the prophets sahaba were infiltrated by spies, the munafiqoon, so the point is a bit of red-herring!

IslamicHope

28-04-2005, 10:40 AM

Br Ash you use every oppurtunity you get to attack, malign, slander, against HT, even though HT are not the topic here, omar baki and the jihadi wahabis are, you seem to be thin on critic of them, but divert to HT again. Do you have an ex-wife that was HT or something, did you have a duaghter that has left home to marry a HT?

BR Ash YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBER, and support them too, don't you think your group is infiltrated by agents of zionism, including your racist, zionist, oppurtunist, leader Mr Howard? What makes you and your party of people who reject our holy prophet as a liar or madman, immune from criticism? Why focus on muslim HT, when you are in love with the conservatives. Muslim groups who believe in voting like the MAB have not endorsed a single conservative! Have you read the fatwa of shiekh al-haddad posted by MPAC?

You also love & defend general, president, head of NSA, Chief executive, not-so-enlightened moderator, privatiser Busharraf the dictator, (while you claim to believe in democracy!)

Don't you think from all the american agents in the world, Musharraf is in the top 10 zionist agents like most pakistani leaders?! You are asian, but not a Pakistani. All the pakistanis I know who have travelled to pakistan since he took power, and spoken to the intelligensia in pakistan or the man on the street, HATE musharraf. The only people who like musharraf are those confused people from that generation of pakistanis in the UK who either are above the age of 30-35, or have vested interests with him here or in pakistan. The mosque commitee (mafia) types!

I disagree with HT, but they have never called me kafir, and I have never heard them call anyone else kafir, and their leaflets or leadership are the same, though a bit boring at times....

Br Ash....

I have mixed with HT people for the last 12 years, among other groups, please don't assume I am a sister locked up in a kitchen who knows nothing about the world. Your experience with HT seems to be
1) limited, and
2) a misunderstaing of Islamic terminology

1) I was at uni with HT's, lived with them, and witnessed their dawa at Uni for 5 years. I have relatives of relatives that are HT or ex-HT, old and young, highly educated, and intelligent, university professors, Scientists, scholars etc. I have met HT in at least 6 arab/muslim countries, and of course in the UK. How many countries have you been to and seen HT? Please don't assume that every young zealot looni you meet on the street who says the word 'khilafah' is a HT memeber, this word is not the monopoly of HT, other groups, and muslims want khilafah too (and we should).

2) When Islamic groups say, something is "kufr", or you have done "kufr", this is NOT the same word as the word "Kaafir". They are 2 different words and have radically different results. To say someone is "Kaafir" is very grave and we should never say this unless e.g. they believe in another prophet, like the Qadianis. BUT to say someone has done kufr, or "it is kufr" is not the same as saying he or she is Kaafir. Kufr is an act which disbeleivers do, but does NOT make you kafir, e.g. some scholars say missing Salat-al-Jumuah 3 times is an act of Kufr, but this does not make you a kaafir. Do you follow? SO people get confused with terminology, and then over reeact thinking that they are saying Kaafir. Some of the people using this terminology also get confused.

Anyway, you should be truthful, when omar bakri & his group is the topic you should not divert it to HT, as unlike HT, omar bakri clearly says in his speeches and leaflets that people are Kaafir. so focus on correcting them....

br ash

28-04-2005, 03:37 PM

Br Ash you use every oppurtunity you get to attack, malign, slander, against HT, even though HT are not the topic here, omar baki and the jihadi wahabis are, you seem to be thin on critic of them, but divert to HT again. Do you have an ex-wife that was HT or something, did you have a duaghter that has left home to marry a HT?

Sister where on earth have i defended the head of the NSA, as usual you do not know what you are talking about. Stop reading silly Taliban/HT comic books LOL @ Islamichope.

Don't you think from all the american agents in the world, Musharraf is in the top 10 zionist agents like most pakistani leaders?! You are asian, but not a Pakistani. All the pakistanis I know who have travelled to pakistan since he took power, and spoken to the intelligensia in pakistan or the man on the street, HATE musharraf. The only people who like musharraf are those confused people from that generation of pakistanis in the UK who either are above the age of 30-35, or have vested interests with him here or in pakistan. The mosque commitee (mafia) types!

Sister, I know many Pakistan, I have also been on many Pakistani form, run by Pakistani from Pakistan, they respect and admire Musharraf. That is there choice.

Just because you spoken to some Paksistani that does not provide any evidence what so ever.

By the way sister I hate and despise the Mosque Mafi in the UK, because all that comes from Pakistan. It is the backwardness from Pakistan that in inflicting the Muslims in the UK. It has to be eradicated. In Pakistan and the UK.

Know only HT and the loonies came up with statements, that Musharaff in he is in the top 10 Zionist. You are joke. Again you have been reading HT/Taliban comic books:D

Musharraf does not have that vast support in the UK, he has some. Majority of the suppoprt of Pakistani in the UK goes along Tribal lines, of there brethern in Pakistan. As does when it comes to ellection, in the UK.

You also love & defend general, president, head of NSA, Chief executive, not-so-enlightened moderator, privatiser Busharraf the dictator, (while you claim to believe in democracy!)

I believe in democracy, when Musharraf came into power, majority of Pakistani in Pakistan did not object, why he was a far better choice, compared to the corrupt so called Pakistani intelligience which was running the country.

Pakistan was in the top 10 of the most corrupt nations in the world, now it is not. even so called Pakistani religious leader, are part of the corrupt process. I suppose some of your mates Pakistani HT and there ilk hate paying there taxes:D. TOUGH

If Pakistan was not a corrupt country, guess what I would be against Musharraf. Because of corruption, I am for Musharraf. Under his leadership, he has reduced it, collecting more and more and more taxes.

Musharraf is making sure Religious leaders, land owners, and politician are paying there electricity bills:D

Sister get it in to you head corrupt politician can not run business, simply because they are so corrupt. Business on the other hand are less corrupt, they can run, they are out to make a profit, which they are doing, and producing more and more and more jobs.

I can only conclude that you want to see Pakistan fail, so that HT and there ilk may have a justification. Unfortunately Pakistan Stock Market and economy are BOOMIONG, to such a degree, its attracting more and more FDI.

Sister all your posts are such that you want to see Pakistan fail, you are one sad individual.

Like I have said you are reading to many HT/Taliban comic books. You talk so illogically, and you do not know what you are talking about:D

Salaam

Ash

UmmZakariya

28-04-2005, 04:16 PM

another entertaining post:

Yeah yeah, kick ass time!!!
Written by Rogue on 2005-04-28 14:03:38
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hey people check out the monkeys banging on their cages!!

Oh please dont say anything to expose our 'messiaH' omar chakri

Ht, muhajibaboons and sabre sect have had a raw nerve touched

OUCH!!!

Slander.......it is against Folkstone Bakri the Lebanese/Syria/iraqi/irish/german etc

please dont hurt him he is the chosen one!!!

i have infiltrated the hizb, muhajiroun and the saviour sect.

i can reveal the crack of the whip and

HT dont like it
no sir!!
and the saviour sect have been shaking in their boots!!

come on boyz lets bring it on!!!!

hey lets talk about the punishment in the grave according to the hizb inner circle you can not be a party member a shabbab of the hizb until you

DENY THE BELIEF IN PUNISHMENT OF THE GRAVE IN ARABIC!

thats what i was told to accept when i became a member

Hizb do not beilieve in punishment in grave forget

voting!!!

they also believe you can watch and look at porn!!!

hey boyz am i still a fake??

and omar chakri the cult saviour

says

"HIZB UT TAHRIR ARE WRONG IN THE BELIEF THAT IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO LOOK AT NUDITY BECAUSE IT IS NOT REALITY, AND THIS IS THE BELIEF OF TAQIUDEEN NABHANI"

Hizb love their porn and saviour love their saviour

come on boyz teach us

al-IZLAAM

PURE AND TRUE

YOU WHACKO MORONS!!

I AM IN YOUR MIDST AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO I AM!!!

BUT SOON I WILL REVEAL MY IDENTITY AND YOU WILL FALL OFF YOUR CHAIRS!

I think we should all organise a fight between muhajibabaoons and hiz butt terraces

Who will win??

Neither vote.
Neither believe in punishment in grave.
one group is partial to porn and the other to a cult leader!!

both have the blessing of mossad!

and share their motto

'by way of deception.'

fight! fight! fight!

barodate

28-04-2005, 07:15 PM

JIHADI-JEDI

20-07-2005, 08:45 PM

as far as i know omar bakri retracted his statements of looking at porn and punishment of the grave.. although i havent seen any proof about him retracting. I HAVE, on the other hand seen proof of him MAKING these statements.

MOSSAD BAKRI - WHY DON'T YOU COME OUT OF YOUR HOLE?

Have you been exposed???

Are you going to start a new SECT ' AL MOSSADALOON!'

Shazan

20-07-2005, 10:01 PM

MOSSAD BAKRI - WHY DON'T YOU COME OUT OF YOUR HOLE?

Have you been exposed???

Are you going to start a new SECT ' AL MOSSADALOON!'

Salaam Jihadi, do you have any grievance or disapproval for Mr. Bakri?

Huthaifah

20-07-2005, 10:17 PM

Salaam Jihadi, do you have any grievance or disapproval for Mr. Bakri? Who doesn't?

Shazan

20-07-2005, 10:23 PM

Who doesn't?

I wanted to know his specific reasons

Illuminate

20-07-2005, 10:25 PM

MOSSAD BAKRI - WHY DON'T YOU COME OUT OF YOUR HOLE?

Have you been exposed???

Are you going to start a new SECT ' AL MOSSADALOON!'
He is still around, not hiding anywhere... I'LL BE BAKRI....he was in the media the other day....why did he come out of his hole, he should just disappear

http://www.anorak.co.uk/news.cfm?id=168346

irfan

20-07-2005, 10:27 PM

He was on News 24 an hour ago.

Shazan

20-07-2005, 10:35 PM

MOSSAD BAKRI - WHY DON'T YOU COME OUT OF YOUR HOLE?

Have you been exposed???

Are you going to start a new SECT ' AL MOSSADALOON!'

Can watch Bakri interview now, on Sky news, just press the red button.

Might find this article useful Jihadi, since you have such high regards for Busharraf!

http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2004/16-31May04-Print-Edition/1605200471.htm

‘’In 1991 Omar Bakri threatened the life of the then Prime Minister John Major and was held by the police for 20 hours and released without being charged. In 1999 he issued a "fatwa" against Russian leader Boris Yeltsin and called British Muslims to attack Russian embassy. On 18 September 2001, outside the Pakistan High Commission Bakri issued another "fatwa", this time against General Musharraf. Interestingly when Musharraf assumed power in Pakistan in October 1999, Bakri told his close supporters that he had phoned General Musharraf who had invited him to come to Pakistan and work for the implementation for Shari'ah in the country.’’

Defender786

20-07-2005, 11:28 PM

HT and the other lunatic organisation do not realise that there is a 99.99% chance they will have inside man, of the UK, American if not Israel.

If one cares to read the news, carefully, when a Missile nearly shot down an Israeli Airline in Africa few years back, Sharon made a statement, sending out a message, if need be he would activate, sleeper cells in countries like Saudi Arabia to seek revenge. As the attack on the Airliner was supposedly Al Qadia.

Secondly, let us not forget, back in Palestine, after the Oslo peace accord was signed, it was in the newspaper that Number of Israeli Jews, who infiltrated the Arab community. They were even married to Muslim women, prayed 5 times a day, number of them even new parts of the Quran off by heart, so as to legitimise there cover. Number of them were inside the PLO, Hammas etc. Thereby being able to supply intel.

I would not be surprised if one of these Israeli was not inside HT, Saviour sect etc.

One thing was that many of the Arab women who were married to these Israeli Jews, were offered Israel citizen, simply when people realised that they were married to Israeli Jews, they most likely would have been killed, by fellow Muslims. One last point, at least one Arab women converted to Judaism, as she wanted to remain with her husband.

The irony would be that, an Jewish Israeli undercover, leading namaz, in HT and there ilk.:D:D:D:D

Salaam

Ash

Bro you are right. My old man's friend is a Palestinian, he is a religious and good man. He told my dad a story about what happened back in Palestine, I was told this many years ago so I can’t remember the exact details.

Well in Palestine, there was this guy, the leader of a Mosque. He was well known within the area, he was seen as a very religious man. This guy however did many things that people couldn’t understand. He told young girls that it was alright to show certain parts of the body, in other words they didn't need to fully cover up. He did things like this but no one really said anything to him as he was seen as an upright Muslim.

When he died they discovered that he was a Jew, he was buried with other Jews, he was living a lie. He led prayers, he fasted, he did everything like us, yet he was a Jew!!!

Incredible

Defender786

20-07-2005, 11:55 PM

another entertaining post:

UmmZakariya where did you get that post from???

Neither vote.
Neither believe in punishment in grave.
one group is partial to porn and the other to a cult leader!!

both have the blessing of mossad!

I think that says it all.

These people just wish to cause confusion and strife in the Ummah, those here that call for unity are correct, every Muslim wants unity, you have got to realise it is these groups that cause many of the problems.

We've got the muhajibabaoons, the Hizbutastards and the Deviant sect. What more could we ask for, actually maybe the Al CIAda of Europe, they're aim could be to isolate Muslims and cause as much problems for us as possible, a truly worthy cause. Maybe we could have the Islamic Israeli Army of Great Britain, a group led by Zionist snakes and consisting of uneducated Muslim punks with the aim of forcing Islam on 68 Million people including us ‘Muslims’ in the UK. That would be brilliant (sarcasm) :nono:

Nahda

21-07-2005, 01:06 PM

Defender786

21-07-2005, 01:30 PM

In many of the cases I do not agree with what Omar Bakri Mohammad is preaching, but we should not forget that he is a Muslim and deserves respect from us as Muslims.
Do we forget,
"It is sufficient evil for a Muslim that he should look down upon his brother. The life, wealth, and honour of a Muslim are inviolable by another Muslim" [Sahih Muslim].

All some of us are doing here - slandering, backbiting, wasting our valuable time and earning disgrace of Allah (swt) by doing so.

Does he deserve our respect???

He has done his utmost to hurt Muslims and Islam in this country (Intentionally?!?! :confused: ). It is wrong to stand up for him just because he’s a 'Muslim', he has done much damage to the image of Muslims in this country.

This is the problem, if we do what you say the Ummah would be in a more dangerous position, no one would be willing to confront those that cause problems within our communities. That is like committing suicide.

Muslims have to be active, we don't just sit back and lets things be, we should make things happen, we should be helping Islam and Muslims. Confronting Bakri and his cronies would be helping Islam and Muslims.

JerseyLily

21-07-2005, 01:53 PM

It used to be Abu Hamza on the front page of the newspapers now its Omar Bakri. The press use such people to make people scared of Muslims. Any suggestions who will be our next front page face to demonise Islam if Omar Bakri get deported?

Basayev

21-07-2005, 01:57 PM

He has done his utmost to hurt Muslims and Islam in this country (Intentionally?!?! ). It is wrong to stand up for him just because he’s a 'Muslim', he has done much damage to the image of Muslims in this country.

What has he done to hurt Muslims? Im just asking , i dont know much about him.Apparently he was against the London attacks.

Any suggestions who will be our next front page face to demonise Islam if Omar Bakri get deported?

Iqbal Sacranie! :D

Nahda

21-07-2005, 02:04 PM

I know, sometimes they get agitated and say what they have to say without using the wisdom whatsoever. But we should not forget, it is the media which exaggerate and put ‘aggressive’ pictures on the front page of newspapers - for the media’s benefit creating climate of fear in Muslim’s and non-Muslim’s minds.
Let us not fall in the trap.

It is sad to see when they put ‘moderate’ and ‘extremist’ Muslims for debate that only confirms our disunity and weaknesses and benefits kuffars to attack Islam.

JerseyLily

21-07-2005, 02:10 PM

Don't you mean SIR Iqbal Sacranie? (Way too photogenic)..... someone with a beard , a REALLY big beard and a few missing limbs, scars etc. remember the whole idea is to scare people and turn them against muslims

br ash

21-07-2005, 03:37 PM

In many of the cases I do not agree with what Omar Bakri Mohammad is preaching, but we should not forget that he is a Muslim and deserves respect from us as Muslims.

Respect the very MORAN who is damaging the name of Islam, for his own egotistical needs.

If i saw a BNP beating the living daylights out of Omar Bakri, i see no evil, i hear no evil, and defiantly speak no evil.

Salaam

Ash

JerseyLily

21-07-2005, 03:42 PM

If i saw a BNP beating the living daylights out of Omar Bakri, i see no evil, i hear no evil, and defiantly speak no evil.
I disagree, whatever you feel about Omar Bakri he is a muslim anyway I wouldn't miss the opportunity of giving the one who really deserves it (BNP) a good whacking with my handbag!

br ash

21-07-2005, 05:21 PM

I wouldn't miss the opportunity of giving the one who really deserves it (BNP) a good whacking with my handbag!

I can arrange that for you, if you want to:D:D:D:D

Salaam

ash

Basayev

21-07-2005, 07:42 PM

Nahda

21-07-2005, 07:48 PM

exactly Basayev!

Huthaifah

21-07-2005, 08:42 PM

So why bother to kick him out of Hizb ut Tahrir, he isn't a bad bloke if he bought shame to Hizb ut Tahrir?

You can't work on double standards, he is a menice in our community. Just like Hizb ut Tahrir stopped him in their own organisation, MPACUK is stopping him from harming the Muslim Community.

You see MPACUK works for the benefit of the Community. Thats the differance between Hizb ut Tahrir Britain and MPACUK.

Basayev

21-07-2005, 08:45 PM

Salam

How is he a menace? Does that mean its ok to slander him? How is he harming the muslim community? Why was he kicked out of HT?

So many questions , unfortunately not enough answers.

barodate

21-07-2005, 08:50 PM

So why bother to kick him out of Hizb ut Tahrir, he isn't a bad bloke if he bought shame to Hizb ut Tahrir?

well he declared his tawbah and is now a true salafi sheikh. i have heard his lectures etc and he is a very good speaker. along with sheikh abu qatadah. he used to be of the HT teaching before in which there were many errors but now he teaches islam after declaring his tawbah and apologizing.

Illuminate

21-07-2005, 09:13 PM

well he declared his tawbah and is now a true salafi sheikh. i have heard his lectures etc and he is a very good speaker. along with sheikh abu qatadah. he used to be of the HT teaching before in which there were many errors but now he teaches islam after declaring his tawbah and apologizing.
Having heard him over the last few months in the media, he has seemed to mellowed a bit I did not know he had become a salafi, he does change his colours very often...Would HT take him back, he was the only decent public speaker they ever had...lol

IslamicHope

22-07-2005, 08:28 AM

Omar Bakri is a hardcore salafi / wahabi, but not the usual and acceptable type (people who say we are hanbali and follow ibn taymiyyah), he is an extreme wahabi in the sense that he is quick to do takfeer, and supports the actions of ibn abdul-wahab. He jumped on the bandwagon after he was excited by sep 11th. He calls Usama bin Laden "Shaykh", and from my experience of him he is actually a media junkie. He has mellowed out recently (actually changed his stance on killing civilians) because he is scared. He once declared he is spokeman for al-qaida in europe, then quickly retracted it, when he was going to get into trouble.

HT nor any other sunni Muslim group would accept him, unless he would repent and renounce his extremity in issues of Iman and Kufr.

I agree he should be criticised for only 2 things (in public): his promotion of violence and takfeer, not his weight problem, his looks, or any other personal feature, or issue of fitrah, because that indeed is backbiting.

It is clear they are extreme salafis from their website:

http://www.thesavioursect.com/articles.htm

Omar Bakri changes his ideas so much, you will notice that their websites (in all the links too) are all under review and being updated! I wonder why! It is because they are sifting through their words and taking out anything that could get them into trouble, thats why all thier websites are down, being reviewed.

He Changes so much, one day his savior sect may become this: http://www.saviorsect.com/

LOL!

IslamicHope

22-07-2005, 08:31 AM

READ this, and the comments below:

Radical Savior Sect Describe MPACUK : http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/584/103/

Defender786

23-07-2005, 06:33 AM

Salam alaykum

From what little i know of him , he Omar Bakri doesnt seem like a bad person. Why do mpac always like to slander him? If a non-muslim writer said this kinda stuff about any other muslim , someone would have posted it in the "action alert" section and everyone would be calling the non-muslim an islamaphobe and all the rest.

MPACUK are merely highlighting his stupidity. May I add for the benefit of all the UK, for the benefit of all Muslims, for the benefit of Islam, for the benefit of the nation of Muhammad (s.a.w.s.)

I have discussions with many Right Wing Islamaphobic Christian Zionist Bloodthirsty war mongering fundamentalists. They all use Our beloved ( :bigpuke: ) Omar Bakri to further their own cause. If they had their way you and I would suffer, our families would suffer. How many people in the UK now have a distorted view of Islam and Muslims simply because of Omar Bakri’s stupidity and ego. How many has he turned away from Islam???

He will be responsible for everything before God, we are ambassadors for Islam in the West. It is up to us to present the beauty of Islam, the beautiful teachings of God and his beloved one. That is our duty, people like Bakri make it that much harder. Shame on him. He is the devils friend.

I just wish he gets thrown out, he is an attention seeking idiot.

Illuminate

23-07-2005, 01:46 PM

Omar Bakri is a hardcore salafi / wahabi, but not the usual and acceptable type (people who say we are hanbali and follow ibn taymiyyah), he is an extreme wahabi in the sense that he is quick to do takfeer, and supports the actions of ibn abdul-wahab. He jumped on the bandwagon after he was excited by sep 11th. He calls Usama bin Laden "Shaykh", and from my experience of him he is actually a media junkie. .

HT nor any other sunni Muslim group would accept him, unless he would repent and renounce his extremity in issues of Iman and Kufr.

It is clear they are extreme salafis from their website:

Actually Omar Bakri set up HT in the UK, as he was a member of HT in the middle east. All HT members in the UK, should thank him...lol

Omar bakri is a complete jokes changes his views so often, actually I think he is harmless, he is like a barking dog that does not bite.

I don't know what Omar bakri has got to do with Ibn Taymiyya and ibn abdul wahabi..He is just a salafi with an extreme view, remember bin laden in aslo salafi, so the term 'extreme salafi' has been coined.

Ibn Taymiyya was a controversial scholar on his views on things like attributes of Allah, which caused him to go to prison. However, he is regarded as a great scholar by some and was given the title 'sheikh of Islam' by a renowed pakistani scholar. Ibn Abdul Wahid, used the works of Ibn Taymiyya to spread islam and remove bidah, that was accuring at the time (grave worship, charms etc..).

outsider

23-07-2005, 02:00 PM

salaams

I have no views regarding OBM.

Just wanted to clarify though that he did NOT set up HT in the UK.

That is becuase i kno the brother who did in 1985 and OBM wasnt even in the country then. That original bro had to return to Jordan in the early nineties and OBM was handed leadership until he left, after discovering he was to be removed, in 1997.

ws

JerseyLily

23-07-2005, 03:29 PM

Omar Bakhri .......... Yawn Yawn !

Illuminate

23-07-2005, 03:58 PM

salaams

Just wanted to clarify though that he did NOT set up HT in the UK.

That is becuase i kno the brother who did in 1985 and OBM wasnt even in the country then. That original bro had to return to Jordan in the early nineties and OBM was handed leadership until he left, after discovering he was to be removed, in 1997.

From my understanding when he came to the UK in Jan 1986, he joined two other brothers to develop HT, OBM had already been active in HT in saudi so had connections to the UK...This is what OBM said anyway..So we can safely say he was with HT from the outset..

I know he was your leader, I knew people who used to drive him around and fill his benefit forms for him....lol

outsider

23-07-2005, 11:46 PM

salaams

Like i said i know the brother who founded Ht in the UK. He was the SOLE HT member in the country at the time. The first halaqa (study circle) consisted of him and 5 others, all 5 who were brought into Ht from his efforts since he came to Britain.

Bakri was not here at that time.

ws

Manc

24-07-2005, 01:31 AM

Omar Bakri Need's To Shut His Big Mouth.

IslamicHope

24-07-2005, 02:07 PM

HT were here long before Omar Bakri: he didn't bring HT to the UK, HT was here long before him among mainly arabs. On 11th April 1980 a Libyan HT member (Mohammed Ramadhan) a BBC journalist was assasinated in the 80's in regents park mosque, by Qadafi's secret police, as he was organising aganst Qadhafi. This was long before Omar bakri came to the UK.

See Mohammed Ramadhan's photo here: http://members.tripod.com/sijill/victims/

and an article here "Remembering Mohammed Ramadhan: http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/january03_index.php?l=43%82%22=0

OOOOh! HT memebers as journalists! Can' be right, they do nothing but talk, and claim state benefits! LOL

JerseyLily

24-07-2005, 03:09 PM

Way back in this thread someone asked why does Israel not say Omar Bakhri is an enemy of Israel...... Well, anyone who like Omar Bakhri stirrs up negative feelings against muslims by his comments to the press, is doing a better job of getting muslims hated than the Israelis themselves. Israel my not see Omar Bakhri as an enemy I don't now but I am sure Omar Bakhri sees Israel as an enemy.

Kashmiri

25-07-2005, 02:15 PM

The UK government should simply kick him out. What purpose does he serve here? He doesn't work and pays no taxes and his SEVEN kids and wife live off welfare benefits. And how does he repay this generosity and reward for his uselessness and laziness? By attacking this country and causing disunity between Muslims and the host community. That's all he ever does. I'm suspicious about why the UK keeps him here, and wouldn't surprise me if the government has some use for him.
Send him back to Syria and let them deal with him. He does not belong here, the fat, lazy, welfare leeching twit.

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 04:46 PM

Bakri wants to cause discord and make life difficult for muslims and the ummah in general he thinks that way the true muslims will rise to the challenge/be purified throught the pain and suffering (and follow him no doubt) this is his agenda and ALM/Saviour sects they do nto care about the welfare of the ummah they want us to suffer.

Defender786

25-07-2005, 05:28 PM

Basayev

25-07-2005, 05:35 PM

Bakri wants to cause discord and make life difficult for muslims and the ummah in general

they do nto care about the welfare of the ummah they want us to suffer.

Where did you get this from? Have you any examples of this?

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 05:38 PM

i have heard this from ex-alm and current alm members exactly this no exaggeration....people who still respect him but this is what they say....he thinks salvation will be attained through suffering and i guess he wants those who dont follow him to suffer.......but then im sure you prefer to think bakri is great and mpacer like me are evil and have bad intentions!

Basayev

25-07-2005, 05:44 PM

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 05:46 PM

i knew your reply would be predictable....

Defender786

25-07-2005, 05:47 PM

How did i know that your reply would include a dig at me? :rolleyes:

Anyway back to Bakri , from what ive seen of him he hasnt said anything which indicates he wants people to suffer. Im sure as a muslim he does care about the ummah. Maybe just his views as to the solution to the problems of the ummah are different from groups like HT and MPAC.

He has called for John Major to be assassinated. He has said some stupid stuff about the Beslan siege. All his statements cause animosity and trouble for peaceful Muslims in the UK. He is responsible for all that.

Basayev

25-07-2005, 05:50 PM

He has called for John Major to be assassinated. He has said some stupid stuff about the Beslan siege. All his statements cause animosity and trouble for peaceful Muslims in the UK. He is responsible for all that.

Why john major? What did he say about Beslan?

Basayev

25-07-2005, 05:50 PM

i knew your reply would be predictable....

I knew you reply would be useless...

If you dont have any info on why Bakri is such a monster then stop slandering him. I wonder has anyone got anything concrete against him or is it the same old : "he's an israeli agent" rubbish.

Defender786

25-07-2005, 05:51 PM

I knew you reply would be useless...

If you dont have any info on why Bakri is such a monster then stop slandering him. I wonder has anyone got anything concrete against him or is it the same old : "he's an israeli agent" rubbish.

Yeh, I got something, he's stupid, he's got a massive ego and he's a bum.

Basayev

25-07-2005, 05:53 PM

Yeh, I got something, he's stupid, he's got a massive ego and he's a bum.

^ You forgot the main one: He's an israeli agent, dont you know!

Defender786

25-07-2005, 05:54 PM

^ You forgot the main one: He's an israeli agent, dont you know!

Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh!!!!! :D

barodate

25-07-2005, 05:55 PM

Yeh, I got something, he's stupid, he's got a massive ego and he's a bum.

here we go again :rolleyes:

omar bakri is fine you have to hear his speeches and khutbahs. he is a very good sheikh. before he had odd views but he declared repentance

Manc

25-07-2005, 06:13 PM

Omar Bakri is a disgrace

He makes Muslims look like total and utter imbeciles when he appears in the media

He makes threats against the government the at the end of the week picks up his benefits from them

Who needs Zionists working against us when we have him

That BUM needs to be kicked out of the country

Omar Bakri Quotes:

"the life of an unbeliever has no value, it has no sanctity"[3]

"If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq. As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay." [4](referring to the Beslan hostage crisis in which over 300 children were killed.)

Speaking 15 days after bombers killed over 50 people in London and a day after a series of failed attacks on the city's transport network, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed said the British capital should expect more violence.

"What happened yesterday confirmed that as long as the cause and the root problem is still there ... we will see the same effect we saw on July 7," Bakri said.

"If the cause is still there the effect will happen again and again," he said, adding he had no information about future attacks or contacts with people planning to carry out attacks.

"I would like to see the Islamic flag fly, not only over number 10 Downing Street, but over the whole world," he said.

"But Islam is a message of war for those who declare war against Muslims," he said.

"I condemn any killing and any bombing against any innocent people in Britain or abroad, but I expect the British people to condemn the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan."

However, asked about Islamist attacks on British and U.S. troops and on Israelis, he said: "If violence is pro-life I don't condemn it."

"But I think that would be political suicide for the British government if they started to deport and imprison all extremists and radicals," he said.

"Because if, God forbid, something happened again, they would have nobody left to blame."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Bakri_Muhammad

FractionMan

25-07-2005, 06:19 PM

He's fat.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hold on he's the guy who was scared of the fish?

OMG!!!!11111one!!! he's so fat!!!!!

:D

Basayev

25-07-2005, 06:30 PM

the life of an unbeliever has no value, it has no sanctity"[3]

"If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq. As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay." [4](referring to the Beslan hostage crisis in which over 300 children were killed.)

Speaking 15 days after bombers killed over 50 people in London and a day after a series of failed attacks on the city's transport network, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed said the British capital should expect more violence.

"What happened yesterday confirmed that as long as the cause and the root problem is still there ... we will see the same effect we saw on July 7," Bakri said.

"If the cause is still there the effect will happen again and again," he said, adding he had no information about future attacks or contacts with people planning to carry out attacks.

"I would like to see the Islamic flag fly, not only over number 10 Downing Street, but over the whole world," he said.

"But Islam is a message of war for those who declare war against Muslims," he said.

"I condemn any killing and any bombing against any innocent people in Britain or abroad, but I expect the British people to condemn the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan."

However, asked about Islamist attacks on British and U.S. troops and on Israelis, he said: "If violence is pro-life I don't condemn it."

"But I think that would be political suicide for the British government if they started to deport and imprison all extremists and radicals," he said.

"Because if, God forbid, something happened again, they would have nobody left to blame."

Hardly any of these quotes seem bad apart from maybe the first two.
I would like to see in what context he said the first one since it clearly contradicts some of the others.

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 06:34 PM

I knew you reply would be useless...

you asked the question i replied honestly predicatably you didnt like my honest answer and you do think the worst of mpac pointing that out is no dig, and yet you remain here to make digs at us....we have plenty of info that shows how damaging OBM is you choose to be blind to it, what info do you have that hes a great guy? Constructively criticising his comments is not slander.

Mr Choudary's comments were echoed by Omar Bakri Mohammed, the radical Syrian-born cleric who has been accused of trying to foment hatred in the UK. Although he condemned the July 7 attacks, he said the British people only had themselves to blame because they re-elected Mr Blair despite the Iraq war.

Mr Bakri told the London Evening Standard: "I blame the British Government and I blame the British people. They are the ones who should be blamed. The British Government has said, ‘You are with us or with terrorism’. I don’t think that is the way forward."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1699979,00.html

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 06:36 PM

Omar Bakri shoots off his mouth againJuly 19, 2005 @ 9:36 pm · Filed under Media

Today I was off work. I went to Kingston, and the first place I headed was the Algerian cafe up near the mosque. On the way, I saw the Evening Standard’s headline boards saying that a “cleric” had blamed the British for the bombings. Which “cleric”? Perhaps an imam from Central Mosque, or any mosque in London, or Leeds, or perhaps Damascus or Cairo? Perhaps someone from a religion that has clerics … perhaps Cormac Murphy O’Connor?

No, it’s the media’s favourite “Muslim cleric”, Omar Bakri Muhammad and his sidekick Anjum Choudhary. Apparently the British are to blame for the bombings because we voted Labour, the party which took us into war. Never mind the fact that the Tories, had they been in power, would most likely have done precisely the same thing.

This was front page news, and my guess is that the Standard sought this story out. Perhaps because there was no news, at least before the report about the leaked memo which shows that MI5 missed these guys who bombed London. But I can’t understand why the papers care for his opinions, given that he represents such a small minority of the Muslims in London. No doubt because it allows them to make headlines at the expense of our community.

I had really planned a much ruder headline, because I was really quite annoyed at seeing that this man’s opinions had made the front page of London’s only evening newspaper. Literally every commuter (well, unless they cannot read the boards) knows about this. Ahmed Weir, in his sadly missed blog Levantine Historian, noted that while Muslim voices were sadly missing from the media, those voices which do get heard are those we wish would stay quiet. Rod Liddle, former editor of Radio 4’s Today programme, used to invite OBM quite a lot, and I heard him interviewed by Jon Gaunt a few months ago as well.

From my observations it seems Muslims are both annoyed and suspicious about his and his boys’ antics. They do not seem to care how their actions reflect on the community - the notorious US embassy rally in May for example, which was reported as a rally in which former Guantanamo internees spoke and people chanted anti-American and pro-Qa’ida slogans. My enquiries at a subsequent rally held by the same group revealed that the sloganeers were al-Muhajiroun or their remnants, and nothing to do with the rally.

Much of this annoyance and suspicion has been voiced at the MPAC UK website and forum. He is accused of making fitna (trouble), of “do[ing] the Muslim community a great deal of damage”, called a “media junkie” and a “maniac muppet” and suspected of being a “Wahabi stooge” and an agent. An article on their site today “wonders why the big mouth of Britain went silent so quickly” - clearly this was written before the Evening Standard piece hit the stands today.

The opinions actually expressed are only a little bit more extreme than those in the recent Chatham House report: that the Iraq war increased the chances of the UK getting hit by a terrorist attack. The story, for some reason, is not repeated on This Is London, the Standard’s website, but the “blame” comes from voting for politicians who make war on Muslims. Still, Bakri disapproves of the attacks, which given how little influence he has, makes him only one of many people without much sympathy over the recent atrocity. So why do his views make the front page of the Evening Standard?

Does Omar Bakri care about the effect he has on our community? If so, he should wake up and realise the damage he is doing. The papers who interview him are only interested in selling papers, and some have ill-intent towards our community. Omar, if you are not an agent, do us all a favour, and shut up.
http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/index.php/2005/07/19/omar-bakri-shoots-off-his-mouth-again/#more-561

Manc

25-07-2005, 06:37 PM

Hardly any of these quotes seem bad apart from maybe the first two.
I would like to see in what context he said the first one since it clearly contradicts some of the others.

LISBON (Reuters) - Several Islamic militant groups are preparing attacks on London, making such a strike unavoidable, a radical Muslim cleric said in an interview with a Portuguese magazine.

"It's inevitable. Because several (attacks) are being prepared by several groups," Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbon's Publica magazine from London, where he is based.

One "very well organised" group in London calling itself al Qaeda Europe "has a great appeal for young Muslims", he said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."

London police said they were not prepared to discuss the claims, but the country's most senior police officer, Sir John Stevens, has previously said that an attack on the capital was inevitable.

The firebrand cleric, who has outraged moderate Muslims and non-Muslims alike with his uncompromising views, gave no further details.

Asked if a British Muslim was allowed to carry out a "terrorist attempt" in a foreign country, Muhammad said "That is another story."

He added: "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438418/posts
(Site is anti Muslim so only visit If you have to)

barodate

25-07-2005, 07:02 PM

“Muslim cleric”, Omar Bakri Muhammad

tell me are you saying he isnt a muslim or he isnt a cleric? or both?

br ash

25-07-2005, 07:12 PM

tell me are you saying he isnt a muslim or he isnt a cleric? or both?

He is Muslim. Also he is lunatic. He is a Mother of all Lunatics. Nothing more nothing less. And any one who likes him and defend him is Mother of all Lemmings :D:D:D

Salaam

ash

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 07:22 PM

baro i certainly dont think hes a cleric i mean does he have ijazas if so from where/whom did he study under...and i hate the fact that he bought out as the 'muslim cleric' spokeperson because he certainly does speak for me i htink he is certianly misguided and arrogant and he doesnt care about the ummah.....anyway i thought you didnt like him (earlier in this thread???) what made you change your tune....funny how you question hamza yusuf yet question me objecting to OBM...who do you think has done actual damage to the ummah?

well he declared his tawbah and is now a true salafi sheikh. i have heard his lectures etc and he is a very good speaker. along with sheikh abu qatadah. he used to be of the HT teaching before in which there were many errors but now he teaches islam after declaring his tawbah and apologizing.

what do you think about this? (it ws post on frotn page but i have seen it elsewhere)

Q: Okay, you mentioned Abu Qatada earlier, what do you make of this man?

BAKRI: He is a great Ulama and committed Salafi insofar as he subscribes to the ethos of Ahlus Sunna va al-Jammaa.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
so who is Abu qatadah???
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"In April the Sunday Times said Mr. Qatada had turned "supergrass" for MI5," the article mentions, "a theory fuelled by the arrests of several Muslim extremists in Germany who had met him."

The BBC report states: "Now senior European intelligence officials have reportedly told Time Magazine that Mr. Qatada and his family are being lodged, fed and clothed by British intelligence

The Observer's Jason Burke mentioned the following: "Some French officials have gone so far as to brief newspapers that Qatada was allowed to escape internment because he was an 'MI5 agent'.

Defender786

25-07-2005, 07:24 PM

tell me are you saying he isnt a muslim or he isnt a cleric? or both?

He is a Muslim, he is also fat, a bum, an idiot, selfish, on top of this he has a very large ego.

Defender786

25-07-2005, 07:31 PM

LISBON (Reuters) - Several Islamic militant groups are preparing attacks on London, making such a strike unavoidable, a radical Muslim cleric said in an interview with a Portuguese magazine.

"It's inevitable. Because several (attacks) are being prepared by several groups," Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbon's Publica magazine from London, where he is based.

One "very well organised" group in London calling itself al Qaeda Europe "has a great appeal for young Muslims", he said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."

London police said they were not prepared to discuss the claims, but the country's most senior police officer, Sir John Stevens, has previously said that an attack on the capital was inevitable.

The firebrand cleric, who has outraged moderate Muslims and non-Muslims alike with his uncompromising views, gave no further details.

Asked if a British Muslim was allowed to carry out a "terrorist attempt" in a foreign country, Muhammad said "That is another story."

He added: "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438418/posts
(Site is anti Muslim so only visit If you have to)

That fat bum makes my bloody boil, he has no right to be here. Throw him out, he is an attention seeking bum, an attention seeking bum.

We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents

Notice this bum uses the word 'we'. This bum doesn't speak for anyone, he has such a big ego its incredible. If you were a Non-Muslim in the UK how would you feel if you read those comments, I know many would feel enraged, they have every right to go up to that bum and beat the **** out of him.

Basayev

25-07-2005, 07:33 PM

He added: "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

Is this true. In the earlier quotes , you quoted from him saying :

"I condemn any killing and any bombing against any innocent people in Britain or abroad, but I expect the British people to condemn the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan."

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and i hate the fact that he bought out as the 'muslim cleric' spokeperson because he certainly does speak for me i htink he is certianly misguided and arrogant and he doesnt care about the ummah

I think exactly the same thing about Iqbal Sacranie , Inayat Bunglawala and the rest.

Thats not to say im an Omar Bakri supporter. But he does seem better than the MCB. :D

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 07:36 PM

But he does seem better than the MCB.

how exactly? pls back up your statement with proof, tell us what positive work MCB do and is that less than postiive work of OBM, who has doen more for ummah? seriously details pls???? how many OBM supporters do you know? What good have they done? HOw many MCB affliated are there? How many charities orgs that have done good work? is OBM better than them????

pls details..back up your argument why is he better?

Basayev

25-07-2005, 07:51 PM

pls details..back up your argument why is he better?

It wasnt an arguement. It was an opinion. We're all entitled to them.
He seems better in his beliefs. He doesnt seem , from what i know , to be a sell-out. I doubt he would ever encourage muslims to join the army or any such nonsense like that.
When there is a need for physical Jihad in muslim lands i have heard him encourage that , whereas the MCB are apologetic about physical jihad.
I also doubt he would become friendly and meet with people with muslim blood on their hand like Blair.

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 08:04 PM

so back up your opinion who has done worse for the ummah? come on details....how does he seem better? how are MCB sell outs? jsut becaise they enoucouraged muslims to join army? what other nonsense? on one thing you brand them sell outs they have never done anytign positive?

when have they been apologetic about physical jihad? example? context?

He added: "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

is this encouraing physical jihad?

howe shoudl we encourage physical jihad?

so answer my question who is worse for ummah who does more damage whats your opinion on that. and pls what good has OBM done whom has he helped. what awareness has he raised has he prevented islamophobia or flamed the fans???

Defender786

25-07-2005, 08:20 PM

It wasnt an arguement. It was an opinion. We're all entitled to them.
He seems better in his beliefs. He doesnt seem , from what i know , to be a sell-out. I doubt he would ever encourage muslims to join the army or any such nonsense like that.
When there is a need for physical Jihad in muslim lands i have heard him encourage that , whereas the MCB are apologetic about physical jihad.
I also doubt he would become friendly and meet with people with muslim blood on their hand like Blair.

How has done their best for the nation of Muhammad (s.a.w.s.)????

Basayev

25-07-2005, 09:12 PM

^ I didnt say he has done his best for the ummah. As i said i know little about him. Picking him above the MCB maybe picking the better of two bad bunches ( if Bakri is as bad as people here claim he is)
Regrding the MCB , i consider them to be apologetics because of their constant condemnation of the Mujahideen. I rememeber in the Moscow seige , one of their spokemen branded them terrorists.
When was the last time they pledged support for the Mujahideen even if only in words? At least Bakri doesnt seem to apologise or condemn for every action that happens.
I havent yet also heard MCB say that physical Jihad is fard on us all. Instead they go the opposite way and urge us to join the army.

UmmZakariya

25-07-2005, 09:19 PM

Regrding the MCB , i consider them to be apologetics because of their constant condemnation of the Mujahideen. I rememeber in the Moscow seige , one of their spokemen branded them terrorists.

can you give proof and quotes pls? what about other mujhadeen elsewhere? what have they said? and about chennya in general?

At least Bakri doesnt seem to apologise or condemn for every action that happens.

seem to? can you explain this? what hasnt he condemned? how is that a good thing? how does it help ummah? he branded the 9/11 hijackers the magnificant 19 is that praising the mujahideen?

When was the last time they pledged support for the Mujahideen even if only in words?

pls tell me exactly when? or is it so long ago....what about palestine etc have they said nothing positive? Done anything positive what abotu all their affilaites are you branding them sell outs too?

I havent yet also heard MCB say that physical Jihad is fard on us all.

is it farz on all? i though if some do it farz is lifted off others we have to support in other ways.
Why arent you doign the farz jihad then?

if you know so little about OBM why are you assuming he is so wonderful, i told you i know ALM people and have spoken to them yet you dismissed what i said. So what i know doesnt matter?

so answer my question who is worse/best for ummah who does more damage/good whats your opinion on that.

Basayev

25-07-2005, 09:41 PM

can you give proof and quotes pls? what about other mujhadeen elsewhere? what have they said? and about chennya in general?

It was an talksport radio night show. I think it was Bunglawala on the show.

seem to? can you explain this? what hasnt he condemned? how is that a good thing? how does it help ummah?

To my knowledge( if i am wrong about this i would galdly be corrected) he hasnt condemned alot of things notably the operations in Russia and Israel.
How does it help the ummah???? Well its a alot more helpful than publicly saying that the Mujahideen in the russian seige were terrorists. By branding the people who are fighting on the front lines like Basayevs group who were behind the moscow seige as terrorists you are playing into the non-muslims hands , in this case esp. the russians. Splitting the Mujahideen from the ummah is their aim. Once the muslims start going against the people who are fighting for muslims , then the fight will be over which is what the non-muslims want.

he branded the 9/11 hijackers the magnificant 19 is that praising the mujahideen?

As i said earlier:

Im just asking , i dont know much about him.Apparently he was against the London attacks.

I was opinion that he condemned the attacks. I find it hypocritcal that he can support one and then condemn the other.

pls tell me exactly when? or is it so long ago....what about palestine etc have they said nothing positive? Done anything positive what abotu all their affilaites are you branding them sell outs too

I dont know anything about their affiliates. Also there are more issues than just Palestine. By supporting the Palestinians and criticsing others doesnt make it ok.

is it farz on all? i though if some do it farz is lifted off others we have to support in other ways.
Why arent you doign the farz jihad then?

Youve asked that a million times and ive answered it a million times.
What do you mean fard is lifted off others?

if you know so little about OBM why are you assuming he is so wonderful

What?! I have never claimed he was wonderful. Read back to the start of the thread , i straight away said i dont know much about him.
What got me was that from what little i knew didnt warrant such harsh attacks on him. If i am wrong about him , i am willing to be educated about him.

i told you i know ALM people and have spoken to them yet you dismissed what i said. So what i know doesnt matter?

I havent dismissed anything. I have said already i am willing to be educated about him. If he is a hinderance to the ummah , then explain how. It isnt really your comments that i object to. It is comments like his a " fat bum " etc. from other people.
Thats not right.
If i am wrong about him , then please correct me.

barodate

25-07-2005, 10:26 PM

baro i certainly dont think hes a cleric i mean does he have ijazas if so from where/whom did he study under

in madina with (not under) sheikh abu hamza

misguided and arrogant and he doesnt care about the ummah

proof that he doesnt care?

anyway i thought you didnt like him (earlier in this thread???) what made you change your tune....

let me repeat it again: HE REPENTED. PERIOD. He is a v good sheikh now i have heard some of his speeches

funny how you question hamza yusuf yet question me objecting to OBM...who do you think has done actual damage to the ummah?

I question hamza yusuf because of his statements and his teachings. i notice nothing dodgy bout OBM to be honest. I have never seen more erroneous statements than in the 9/11 interview with hamza yusuf.

what do you think about this? (it ws post on frotn page but i have seen it elsewhere)

They provide no proof its a v small excerpt. And like it says. its a theory. Abu Qatadah wr0x j00! to be honest.

barodate

25-07-2005, 10:28 PM

He is Muslim. Also he is lunatic. He is a Mother of all Lunatics. Nothing more nothing less. And any one who likes him and defend him is Mother of all Lemmings :D:D:D

Salaam

ash

so the oracle has spoken? :rolleyes: all you KNOW of these sheikhs is what is said in the media. try listening to speeches they have on islam etc.

Illuminate

25-07-2005, 10:44 PM

For all you Bakri lovers, here is his full life story, told by the man himself, in a Q&A interview.

here is a snippet:

Q: Why is it that HT has such a strong presence here in the UK?

A: Because I established it (smiles). When I first came to Britain, half of me was Ikhwani-Jihadi and the other half was Salafi-Tahriri, in short, I was a combination of different modes of knowledge and I channelled all this energy into developing networks here in the UK.

Q: What made you leave the HT umbrella entirely in 1996?

A: I had built the teams from nothing in this country and had been their leader in the UK for 10 years before finally resigning on 16 January 1996 in response to a violation of Islamic rules by the worldwide Amir of Hizb-ut-Tahrir.

http://www.themedialine.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsID=5327

I have been told by HT members here, that some is not accurate, Allah knows best

ENJOY:

barodate

25-07-2005, 10:51 PM

jzk shall read now

Defender786

25-07-2005, 11:11 PM

How does it help the ummah???? Well its a alot more helpful than publicly saying that the Mujahideen in the russian seige were terrorists. By branding the people who are fighting on the front lines like Basayevs group who were behind the moscow seige as terrorists you are playing into the non-muslims hands , in this case esp. the russians. Splitting the Mujahideen from the ummah is their aim. Once the muslims start going against the people who are fighting for muslims , then the fight will be over which is what the non-muslims want.

Russian siege? which one are you referring to, the school siege or the theatre siege. Well Mr "Armchair Radical", you should know that those that committed those acts were terrorists.

Attacking checkpoints, Russian HQs, fully justified, putting kids and other innocent people lives at risk is wrong, it is just wrong. No sane Muslim would support the slaughter of innocent children. As you should know, the leader of the Chechen people (Allah Bless him) Aslan Maskhadov condemned the killings of innocent people, he did this till the end.

Speaking of what the Non-Muslims want, they would love a bum to praise the 19 alleged Hijackers. (I'm just thinking what the 'hijackers' that are alive think about having their image plastered on lampposts across England).

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/

proof that he doesnt care?

Praised the 19 'alleged hijackers' to boost his own ego. He put his ego before the Ummah.

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

Utter stupidity, what a bum.

His ego comes before the needs of the Muslim communities. We don't need him. He is an attention-seeking bum. Throw him out.

barodate

25-07-2005, 11:21 PM

Praised the 19 'alleged hijackers' to boost his own ego. He put his ego before the Ummah.

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

Utter stupidity, what a bum.

His ego comes before the needs of the Muslim communities. We don't need him. He is an attention-seeking bum. Throw him out.

big sodding deal! he praised the hijackers! as if he is the only one in the world to carry this view :rolleyes:

you have know knowledge in the basic ruling of the blood wealth and honor of the disbeliever you are looking at that statement and saying what you think. Because it SOUNDS wrong doesnt make it un islamic.

and the rest is just insults so not much i can say there.....

Defender786

25-07-2005, 11:30 PM

big sodding deal! he praised the hijackers! as if he is the only one in the world to carry this view

It is a ‘big sodding deal’. A bum claiming to speak for Muslims in the UK praises the 'hijackers' is a very bloody big sodding deal. So you carry that view as well. This may hurt your ego, but the attacks were not carried out by 19 Arabs, Osama was not responsible. It was an inside job.

Some of the hijackers are alive now, Mohammad Atta's old man stated that he received a call from him on Sept 12th, he (Atta) allegedly stated he feared for his life, he stated he was in hiding.

you have know knowledge in the basic ruling of the blood wealth and honor of the disbeliever you are looking at that statement and saying what you think. Because it SOUNDS wrong doesnt make it un islamic.

and the rest is just insults so not much i can say there.....

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

So 'Armchair Insurgent' there's nothing wrong with that!?!?!

Oh silly me!!!! (sarcasm) :headache:

Defender786

25-07-2005, 11:33 PM

Its funny how the 'Armchair Insurgents' bash Westerners and some Muslims for watching CNN, BBC etc. and claim they are brainwashed and then go on to believe everything they (Western Media) say about how the hijackers were responsible for 9/11. Sheer Hypocrisy.

IslamicHope

25-07-2005, 11:41 PM

As far as I am concerned Omar Bakri condones the murder of innocent western civilains by Musims in the thousands...... He is wrong, and should be reprimanded

And the MCB have tacitly supported a government hence implicitly condoned the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims & 3rd world civilians if not millions, by the british government.

Despite my resentment against Omat Bakri, he has never shaked hands, or had dinner with Usama Bin Laden or any other murderers as far as I know, in public anyway.

The MCB have shaken hands with, had dinner with, and tacitly supported Tony Blair and other murdererers of the British government, without denouncing them unreservidly, and effectiveky enough in proportion to their crimes.

If we want Omar Bakri out for condoning terrorism, we should also get Sacraine and Banglawala out for supporting the terrorists in Downing Street.

The strategists of whitehall want us to focus on an over-hyped so called network of al-qaida (as opposed to being disparate groups in various parts of the world with their own local & environmental gripes) with Oma Bakri happily playing the role, as a diversion from their own terrorism

barodate

25-07-2005, 11:58 PM

It is a ‘big sodding deal’. A bum claiming to speak for Muslims in the UK praises the 'hijackers' is a very bloody big sodding deal. So you carry that view as well. This may hurt your ego, but the attacks were not carried out by 19 Arabs, Osama was not responsible. It was an inside job.

he doesnt claim to speak for all the muslims and i never said i carry that view.

Some of the hijackers are alive now, Mohammad Atta's old man stated that he received a call from him on Sept 12th, he (Atta) allegedly stated he feared for his life, he stated he was in hiding.

stick to the topic and not ure conspiracy theories. stick to omar bakri.

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

So 'Armchair Insurgent' there's nothing wrong with that!?!?!

Oh silly me!!!! (sarcasm) :headache:

oh brilliant who gave the baby another phrase to toy with? :rolleyes:

my point is he is a sheikh and knows how to back his points with quran and sunnah that statement applies to a very specific scenario. I.E. there is a difference between killing civillians through hate and killing them because they are indistinguishable. but my main point is he obviously has some backing to believe in something like that and you have to look at that not just the product. He didnt wake up one morning and say "hmm today i shall say something provocative" and decided to say that statement.

Illuminate

26-07-2005, 12:13 AM

my point is he is a sheikh and knows how to back his points with quran and sunnah that statement applies to a very specific scenario. I.E. there is a difference between killing civillians through hate and killing them because they are indistinguishable. but my main point is he obviously has some backing to believe in something like that and you have to look at that not just the product. He didnt wake up one morning and say "hmm today i shall say something provocative" and decided to say that statement.

OBM may be a sheikh, but he is controversial in views, with his off the cuff remarks.....he does not represent the main stream. In life you get good and bad people, he is just a 'bad' sheikh. I think he is the only scholar I know who claims welfare, others work for their living, usually in islamic schools!!!

He has actullay met bin laden, in Sudan, thats what I heard, bakri also lived in saudi as well, so he must have had connections!!

barodate

26-07-2005, 12:16 AM

OBM may be a sheikh, but he is controversial in views, with his off the cuff remarks.....he does not represent the main stream. In life you get good and bad people, he is just a 'bad' sheikh. I think he is the only scholar I know who claims welfare, others work for their living, usually in islamic schools!!!

He has actullay met bin laden, in Sudan, thats what I heard, bakri also lived in saudi as well, so he must have had connections!!

you dont get my point: the man obviously has some backing to his views yes? He isnt a scholor. and there are others who claim welfare, that doesnt make them wrong or bad people.

Basayev

26-07-2005, 12:58 AM

Russian siege? which one are you referring to, the school siege or the theatre siege. Well Mr "Armchair Radical", you should know that those that committed those acts were terrorists.

Attacking checkpoints, Russian HQs, fully justified, putting kids and other innocent people lives at risk is wrong, it is just wrong. Well Mr "Armchair Radical", you should know that those that committed those acts were terrorists.
. As you should know, the leader of the Chechen people (Allah Bless him) Aslan Maskhadov condemned the killings of innocent people, he did this till the end.

Oh man ! We've discussed this so many times. And you bring it up. You should check up who actually killed the people.

Well Mr "Armchair Radical", you should know that those that committed those acts were terrorists.

So what are your opinion of the Buddenyvosk hostage-taking operation in 1995 that lead to the liberation of Chechnya??? Terrorists? Freedom-fighters?

Illuminate

26-07-2005, 01:11 AM

you dont get my point: the man obviously has some backing to his views yes? He isnt a scholor. and there are others who claim welfare, that doesnt make them wrong or bad people.
Which views, the guy has different views according to his audience, he is very inconsistent, that is what discredits him, anyway, I don't pay much attention to is opinions/views, don't care if he has backing or not, I look to more pious and learned sheikh/scholars for my knowledge..

br ash

26-07-2005, 01:32 PM

so the oracle has spoken? :rolleyes: all you KNOW of these sheikhs is what is said in the media. try listening to speeches they have on islam etc.

I would not waste a second to listen to listen to the Mad Lunatic, now if you want to that is your chose.

Anybody who would believe and follow the Mad Lunatic would also be inclined to believe that Donkeys could indeed fly.

Salaam

Ash

Manc

28-07-2005, 06:34 AM

The Question is how do we deal with Omar Bakri?

The Slob with the Gob needs to Shut up or be Deported

Basayev

28-07-2005, 03:22 PM

Name-calling aint gonna help.

Manc

28-07-2005, 04:13 PM

Name-calling aint gonna help.

Was I Incorrect?

This man endangers our families and safety in this nation with every word he speaks, he must be dealt with.

Defender786

28-07-2005, 06:25 PM

Was I Incorrect?

This man endangers our families and safety in this nation with every word he speaks, he must be dealt with.

You are right.

I suggest we somehow stop him from taking stupid pills, we could contact his pharmacist and try to stop them from selling them to him.

Seriously, we should make official complaints to the authorities and state that we are MUSLIMS, state that this has nothing to do with Islamophobia or racism, it is simply for the welfare of all those that reside in Britain.

Manc

29-07-2005, 12:08 AM

You are right.

I suggest we somehow stop him from taking stupid pills, we could contact his pharmacist and try to stop them from selling them to him.

Seriously, we should make official complaints to the authorities and state that we are MUSLIMS, state that this has nothing to do with Islamophobia or racism, it is simply for the welfare of all those that reside in Britain.

A Petition maybe?

What you think?

Defender786

29-07-2005, 12:22 AM

A Petition maybe?

What you think?

Yeeeaaaahhhhhh!!!!! :D :D

I'll get back to you bruv!!! :D :D

abdulmojid

29-07-2005, 01:09 AM

AS WR WB

talk to the brother instead of digging his grave and handing him on a plate to the kaffir.

petition?

complaints to the authorities?

:nono: :rofl:

WS WR WB

Manc

29-07-2005, 01:29 AM

AS WR WB

talk to the brother instead of digging his grave and handing him on a plate to the kaffir.

petition?

complaints to the authorities?

:nono: :rofl:

WS WR WB

Talking to him will get nowhere , he has shown his contempt for reasoning.

He has already started digging the graves of 1.6 million Kaffir British Muslims like us.

Destroying our futures, reputations and our safety here.

A Petition looks like the only resolution to this subject .

If anyone supports Omar Bakri I suggest they get the flight with him, when he gets deported to Syria.

barodate

29-07-2005, 01:41 AM

I would not waste a second to listen to listen to the Mad Lunatic, now if you want to that is your chose.

Anybody who would believe and follow the Mad Lunatic would also be inclined to believe that Donkeys could indeed fly.

Salaam

Ash

see? you cant even acknowledge the fact that he still preaches islam (although you disagree with his jihad views). you dont even want to hear his argument.

Defender786

29-07-2005, 01:50 AM

AS WR WB

talk to the brother instead of digging his grave and handing him on a plate to the kaffir.

petition?

complaints to the authorities?

:nono: :rofl:

WS WR WB

Omar Bum Bakri is receiving benefits, that is money from the UK and he is using it to divide and harm the Muslims of the UK.

He should be sent back to Syria, however why won't he want to go, probably because no one cares about him there. He has a name here and has Zionists that use him to further their own agenda (against Muslims), he has his own selfish agenda. Brother it won't be handing him over to the Kafir. The British authorities aren't stupid if he was a threat to security, he would be in jail. He is not, he just has a big mouth, that is all. Let them take that bum out of here, take him back to Syria, he is a burden on us all. All he does is spread mischief and fitnah.

Defender786

29-07-2005, 01:55 AM

Talking to him will get nowhere , he has shown his contempt for reasoning.

He has already started digging the graves of 1.6 million Kaffir British Muslims like us.

Destroying our futures, reputations and our safety here.

A Petition looks like the only resolution to this subject .

If anyone supports Omar Bakri I suggest they get the flight with him, when he gets deported to Syria.

Bro, I agree with your idea about the petition. If you can you should make a start on it (if you’re free), I will do a bit tomorrow, we can send it to each other and see if it’s any good.

What is the Muslim Council of Britain’s view on him????

What is MPACs official view on him???

Omar Bakri has no standing, we should make this clear to the people of Britain and rest of the World.

Manc

29-07-2005, 06:56 AM

Bro, I agree with your idea about the petition. If you can you should make a start on it (if you’re free), I will do a bit tomorrow, we can send it to each other and see if it’s any good.

What is the Muslim Council of Britain’s view on him????

What is MPACs official view on him???

Omar Bakri has no standing, we should make this clear to the people of Britain and rest of the World.

Can any of the Admin give us the official mpac view on Omar Bakri?

I don’t not know if The MCB or MAB have any stated views on Omar Bakri.

If anyone would like to contact them their details are:

http://www.mcb.org.uk/mcbdirect/contact2.php

http://www.mabonline.info/english/modules.php?name=Contact

Here are links to free online petition services

http://thiscause.org/p/menu.php?p=Zylstra31842

http://gopetition.com/create.php

http://www.petitionthem.com/?sect=submit

http://www.petitionspot.com/

http://www.nrilinks.com/ep/default.asp

Just deciding which of them would be most suitable, reliable and quality.

I am awaiting responses from MCB and MAB before starting.

I don’t want to politically divide the Muslim community even further unnecessarily.

UmmZakariya

29-07-2005, 11:32 AM

teen pls email info@mpacuk.org for an offical answer to your questions....but judging by my experience of the Muslim community and their aversion to OBM MPACUK would agree he certainly isnt a representative/beneficial spokesperson for the Muslims community.

Yahya

29-07-2005, 12:10 PM

He should be sent back to Syria,

No-one who knew anything about the Syrian regime would say that.

Why don't you just say that he should be hung from a tree at Speakers Corner?

If you think people should die for their opinions then say so. Don't be a hypocrite like the governments of the West, sending people to certain death at the hands of tyrants then crying crocodile tears over the lack of respect for human rights in those countries.

I cannot believe so many people on this forum can be sooo naive.

"Send'm back" is no different to "shoot to kill". Current legal and treaty obligations demand Britian give refuge to those who fear persecution or death at the hands of their governments. You can't pick and choose, unless you actually trust the government, THIS GOVERNMENT, not an imaginary one, to sick by its obligation to other asylum seekers.

If you support a campaign to tear up Britain's commitment to offer asylum to Bakri or Abu Hamza, you also tear up its commitment to offer asylum to everyone else, just as when you give a copper the right to kill, you give him the right to kill anyone. Is because we're all safe with our British passports that we can be casual about the right to asylum? Is it because most of us are affected by "shoot to kill" that most of us think it's an outrage?

Are you any better than the white guys that come on this forum and start lecturing you on the need to "kill terrorists before they kill us" in the certain knowledge that no policeman will ever target them?

Illuminate

29-07-2005, 03:59 PM

It is true, OBM, will be executed if he went back to the middle east, but holding british passport, just means we are safer than others at the moment. As history has shown things can change very quickly!! If anything it is the media's fault giving him air time to express his deluded view, I just don't know why they give him so much time. But saying this at the same time, when any other muslim groups or organisations speak for the muslim, you still have people moaning and complaining.. Like I said before Islam is a religion of moderation.

Without a doubt muslims in the UK are the most fragmented society, because of the different parts of the world everybody originates from. Muslim people need a leader or a representative (ideally elected) who represents the view of the majority and is working for the muslim community as a large.

P.S. I am always available if anyone wants to recommend me....I believe in a benevolent dictatorship with me at the helm.....lol